Would Fedor Emelianenko duck Aspinall like the way Jon Jones is doing?

[skylolow]

I'm not sure why anyone calls what Jones is doing, ducking.

Jones know this or the Alex fight are the two biggest fights the UFC can make, period. Why shouldn't he get a bigger piece of the pie than fighting Gane or whatever. People bitch about UFC fighters making shit and when a fighter takes a stance its ducking.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Lol yeah, okay, after 2 fights in Strikeforce he entered a tournament that offered the POSSIBILITY of later on fighting the guy who was already champ and the opponent everyone wanted him to fight when he first came to the promotion. Therefore hes free from criticism and would never duck Aspinall like Jon did. Got it.

Glad you finally got it. One was possibly going to fight the person they are supposedly ducking and the other did not.

Again, not the same thing. Sorry this is too much for you.

 

[icemun]

Tell me again? What was Fedor doing at Jones age? He was losing 3 in a row. So honestly even if he did fight Aspinal, I don't think Fedors fans would enjoy the results.

He was losing to 40 year old MW

Who literally had to consume excess water to make it to barely make it 205

 

[mma fighter]

NO /thread

 

[Bend NvR Break]

He was the top MMA draw and an icon in the sport. He had as much standing as GSP to push for it. And, let's be clear, it was Fedor's management as much as him making the "demands." He was asking for it for ALL participants in the HW grand prix tournament. So it didn't make Overeem different, at all. He was asking it of everyone. And, seriously, even if it WAS for Overeem, himself, going from 8 years of fighting at 205 to cutting weight to make 265, and pretty much none of that fat, as well as dodging fighting in the USA for three years, as champ (aka not defending) flags him as an obvious PED user, the most blatant one, along with Vitor. So, Overeem, and his actions, would have made him different. But it wasn't just him, so that's a phony argument on your part.

Seems like you don't have a clue about actual events as they unfolded, kind of like you trying to ding Fedor for fighting Werdum because Werdum got popped.... almost a full decade AFTER they fought.

"Who was Fedor to make demands"? He was the guy who just got stiffed because his fight with Barnett fell through because of PEDs, where he put out time, effort and expense to promote the event and got nothing. Seems like a pretty legitimate reason, and, really, is asking for non-cheating in the sport REALLY something that should be sneered at?

Someone else already pointed out it.
Overeem, Werdum, and the rest of the were caught by the UFC. Before the Overeem got into the UFC never popped. Werdum only popped after joining the UFC.

You actually believe that Werdum became a champ AND THEN started using PEDs? Come on man miss me with that. If you pop once then you might have been using your whole battery. Just because Werdum popped after fighting Fedor doesn't been he wasn't using before that.

Not to mention Fedor was actively trying to fight Randy when Randy's blood was nuclear from TRT.
But all that doesn't matter.

The truth is the only fighter Fedor ever publicly turned down and avoided was Overeem. And it doesn't matter if it was his management team. Fedor's management team can't put out something Fedor didn't agree with.

You might not believe me but I'm a Fedor fan and a spade is a spade and a duck is a duck. What Fedor did we avoid fighting Overeem. Fuck the reason. He still avoided him.

 

[wufabufa]

He would duck Tom if the fight were to take place in the UFC. Bill the fight under M-1 and he's game.

 

[JustforBROCK]

Why didn’t he come to the ufc then?

Because the UFCs hw division is and was and always has been ass outside of like. A three year period. I'm not even the biggest fedor fan but at the time of his reign heavyweight mixed martial arts fighting outside of the UFC was the top of the top. UFC not so much. And fedor also had complete control of his career and brand. That's why it never happened. Bitch made white would never do it.

 

[fzoid4454]

Someone else already pointed out it.
Overeem, Werdum, and the rest of the were caught by the UFC. Before the Overeem got into the UFC never popped. Werdum only popped after joining the UFC.

You actually believe that Werdum became a champ AND THEN started using PEDs? Come on man miss me with that. If you pop once then you might have been using your whole battery. Just because Werdum popped after fighting Fedor doesn't been he wasn't using before that.

Not to mention Fedor was actively trying to fight Randy when Randy's blood was nuclear from TRT.
But all that doesn't matter.

The truth is the only fighter Fedor ever publicly turned down and avoided was Overeem. And it doesn't matter if it was his management team. Fedor's management team can't put out something Fedor didn't agree with.

You might not believe me but I'm a Fedor fan and a spade is a spade and a duck is a duck. What Fedor did we avoid fighting Overeem. Fuck the reason. He still avoided him.

What does WHEN Werdum started have to do with anything? YOU were pretending that Fedor was somehow inconsistent for not fighting Overeem, WHO WAS OBVIOUSLY, TO EVERYONE WITH EYEBALLS, BEFORE BEING CAUGHT, JUICING. Again, eight years at 205, then, in a span of a year or two cutting weight to make 265 with no visible fat.

And, yes, when fighters get to the twilight of their careers, they will sometimes START then, to try and hold off Father Time.

Werdum, who was not obviously ripped, huge or muscular, didn't get popped for almost ten years. No one looked at him, in 2010 and said "he's obviously juiced." EVERYONE said, in 2010, "Overeem is blatantly juicing" - and they were all right. You're claiming that Fedor was being hypocritical because he fought Werdum. And now choosing to die on THAT hill based on "well, maybe Werdum was also possibly juicing ten years before he got popped and Fedor should have had a magic eight-ball to tell him that."

Because you're accusing Fedor of "ducking," based on his wanting participants in the HW tournament test before committing, but not demanding that of Werdum before their individual fight, it's about when Fedor knew about it. We all knew about Overeem because he was so blatant. We didn't know about Werdum until he popped.

He never "publicly turned down" Overeem. Not ever. He didn't sign off on a tournament with multiple fighters, ALL of whom he wanted to test. Because he just had a fight canceled because of PEDs. Overeem, knowing that not testing meant he wouldn't face Fedor, didn't test. Isn't that MORE of a duck? Now, my opinion is that he was ducking testing, because, my God, 14/1 T/E ratio when he did get popped. But if we apply your low, low standards for a "duck," then what Reem did was as much, if not more of a duck than Fedor.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Fedor ducked the UFC.

The UFC ducked Fedor.

Dana needs to open the wallet for the big boys. Fedor, Frank, Jon, Stipe, Randy. Pay Problems with all of them.

 

[icemun]

Given similar circumstances.

Or Fedor is just different warrior breed? Different mentality?

I think Fedor would love the opportunity to fight a young hungry fighter like Aspinall.

Who's well rounded, it would be a great challenge for him.

And an amazing to test his skillset.

Really depends-

Would the Tom fight have a pre-determined outcome ,

like in Pride?

 

[The Big Babou]

I'm not an anti-Fedor troll by any means, hes the GOAT HW imo. But lets be honest, he didnt come to the UFC to fight Brock when everyone wanted it, when he signed with Strikeforce instead the obvious fight and the one that everyone wanted was him vs Reem, but that never happened either. He didnt fight Barnett (granted it was signed and fell through), didnt fight Kharitanov, didnt fight his brother. Lets not pretend things were perfect.

That's a bit too speculative. Granted, he ducked Ubereem but not the others.

Barnett was pissing PED's and brought down Strikeforce

Dana was the reason he never fought Bork

He was never going to fight his brother

I have no idea why he didn't fight Sergei..

 

[Preston broadus]

Russians aren't afraid of anything.

 

[Söze Aldo]

Russians aren't afraid of anything.

 

[kingghidrah]

What are you smoking? You really think the first time Werdum or anyone in general gets caught that's the first time they used? You seem naive.

It's like when you go in front of a judge for something. The judge knows that whatever you done probably 50 times before and just never got caught.

Pride was ripe with PED usage. Strikeforce was filled with PED usage. You really think Werdum came to the UFC and decided to start using PEDs during the usada era? If you believe that then I can sell you the Brooklyn bridge for a sweet price.

I'm not even knocking PED usage. MMA was literally built by PEDs. I'm just saying that Fedor gave PEDs as the reason he didn't want to fight Overeem despite Fedor having a resume filled with PED users. And then moved on to fight Werdum who tested dirty eventually and Big Foot who was legally taking TRT at the time. So if can possibly be actual reason Fedor didn't fight Overeem in strikeforce. Fedor ducked him. It's that simple.

And I think Jon Jones and Fedor are the 1A and 1B GOATs.

Overeem was the only one who had no plausible deniability though. He was a poster boy for PEDs. I can definitely see making an exception for him.

In any case, he fought Bigfoot as part of a tournament that Overeem was in, so unless you think he was going to drop out of the tournament in the 2nd round he would have faced Overeem (though Overeem dropped out and Fedor would have ended up facing Daniel Cormier)

 

[volcom5]

The UFC ducked Fedor.

Dana needs to open the wallet for the big boys. Fedor, Frank, Jon, Stipe, Randy. Pay Problems with all of them.

Wallet was opened, Fedor ducked. Quack quack.

 

[OmegaRugal]

Fedor ducked the entire UFC and Aspinal fights for UFC so this is an easy question.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Wallet was opened, Fedor ducked. Quack quack.

So Fedor, Frank, Jon, Stipe, Randy, all ducked, got it. All these arguments between the UFC and fighters are all because of the fighters, got it.

UFC does no wrong and is very generous. Best sports organization of all time.

Thanks Dana.

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Fedor ducked the UFC.

He ducked Dana's bullshit and dishonesty

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Overeem was the only one who had no plausible deniability though. He was a poster boy for PEDs. I can definitely see making an exception for him.

In any case, he fought Bigfoot as part of a tournament that Overeem was in, so unless you think he was going to drop out of the tournament in the 2nd round he would have faced Overeem (though Overeem dropped out and Fedor would have ended up facing Daniel Cormier)

lol it's like pick your poison. Overeem or Cormier?

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Fedor didn’t want the fight or his management didn’t. How do you know Jones management doesn’t want this fight just like Fedor? Notice how the narrative switches? Notice the difference in how the word duck is applied

Managers work for you, Jon Jones can tell his managers what he wants to do and they have to comply.

Fedor was signed to M-1, which is a promotion. Fedor can't fight for other promotions unless M-1 allows it. So it's not the same at all.

Saying Fedor ducked someone in the UFC by not signing with them is as silly as saying Jones is ducking Ngannou because he's not fighting someone in PFL.