Signings/Scouting WMMA Discussion #29

KLINE by sub: A few years ago this would have been interesting but now Angie is over the hill. She can't keep up anymore and I think Kline is future champ material tbh; she's already better than her very close friend Erin (who was in a title eliminator recently) at striking and wrestling. In the past I've said she's not good at finishing but she seems to be better at that lately, too. Especially if there's a lot of grappling I think Angie is gonna fold as it wears on and give up a sub.

CORTEZ? by DEC?: I never know what to think of Cortez because of her inactivity and 'image' but her performances against ppl like Araujo, Egger, Jasu were impressive. Since their first fight was close and Erin was a teenager then you'd think she should have improved more, but it doesn't really feel that she's improved key skills to me... her wrestling still sucks and her striking also sucks. And wrestling is what Tracy is good at and Tracy's striking is better, so....? my gut (which is ALWAYS RIGHT ) says Erin will win but my brain (....which is often wrong...) says therefore Cortez must win, so, I'll do the uh, smart thing and go for Cortez...

VAL?: I dunno tbh, been back and forth a little on this but I'm rooting for Val so I'll pick her, to cement her status as vice-goat, a title she certainly deserves over AmCANda Nunes ;)
 
Xuh said:
KLINE by sub: A few years ago this would have been interesting but now Angie is over the hill. She can't keep up anymore and I think Kline is future champ material tbh; she's already better than her very close friend Erin (who was in a title eliminator recently) at striking and wrestling. In the past I've said she's not good at finishing but she seems to be better at that lately, too. Especially if there's a lot of grappling I think Angie is gonna fold as it wears on and give up a sub.

CORTEZ? by DEC?: I never know what to think of Cortez because of her inactivity and 'image' but her performances against ppl like Araujo, Egger, Jasu were impressive. Since their first fight was close and Erin was a teenager then you'd think she should have improved more, but it doesn't really feel that she's improved key skills to me... her wrestling still sucks and her striking also sucks. And wrestling is what Tracy is good at and Tracy's striking is better, so....? my gut (which is ALWAYS RIGHT ) says Erin will win but my brain (....which is often wrong...) says therefore Cortez must win, so, I'll do the uh, smart thing and go for Cortez...

VAL?: I dunno tbh, been back and forth a little on this but I'm rooting for Val so I'll pick her, to cement her status as vice-goat, a title she certainly deserves over AmCANda Nunes ;)
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Mma math says Erin's alot better since then Erin>Rose>Tracy and it was a close split d back then. Gives me alot of confidence in Erin here.
 
If Weili somehow knocks out Valentina after knocking out Joanna, I will personally show up to her gym and handle her myself.

On a serious note, I'm torn on who's winning (not on who I'm rooting for) because they're both great. It's evident that Valentina has slowed down in recent years, it makes it harder to pick her with 100% confidence; while Weili only seems to have gotten better each year.

However, I think Weili will fuck around and find out once she gets tagged by a counter, and taken down after she tries to score a take down herself. I see Valentina taking over the fight from then, with some highlights from Weili here and there but not enough to win. If Yan Xiaonan can toss you around on the feet with counters after she was finished twice in one fight, you're going to get tossed around by Shevchenko too.

Shevchenko by UD.
 
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Kline and Blanchfield should win. But could also lose.

I really hope if Zhang wins, she hurts Val so badly that she will be out long enough that even with Zhang's glacial pace of fighting no immediate rematch happens. Or that Val retires - but with her ego, I really doubt she would ever walk away with a loss. So really, really badly injured Val is my preferred result.

Likely result is Weili running into jab for 25 mins, a 49-46 decision and then maybe fucking up the newfound momentum potential of 115 to go back to challenge for the title. At least Dern is would be a fresh matchup, but if she wins the belt again, what then?

I just kinda deflated my expectations of a match that should easily be able to get on my greatest of all times list.

Damn.
 
Mittens said:
Kline and Blanchfield should win. But could also lose.

I really hope if Zhang wins, she hurts Val so badly that she will be out long enough that even with Zhang's glacial pace of fighting no immediate rematch happens. Or that Val retires - but with her ego, I really doubt she would ever walk away with a loss. So really, really badly injured Val is my preferred result.

Likely result is Weili running into jab for 25 mins, a 49-46 decision and then maybe fucking up the newfound momentum potential of 115 to go back to challenge for the title. At least Dern is would be a fresh matchup, but if she wins the belt again, what then?

I just kinda deflated my expectations of a match that should easily be able to get on my greatest of all times list.

Damn.
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a must-see fight this year regardless!
no matter what happens, we'll always have weili & joanna...
 
werepig said:
a must-see fight this year regardless!
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It is! I am glad I got the "worst case scenario" thoughts out of my head and can now just enjoy the ride :)

And just for the record - I don't particularly WANT Val get hurt, but after the Grasso debacle of three fights in a row, and the modern day rematch mania, I just have to say that a sidelined Val is better than immediate rematch if Weili wins.
 
Valentina vs Zhang

Two years ago I thought Valentina would be too strong for Zhang. After Zhang vs Suarez, I'm not so sure now.
Zhang showed great wrestling skills in that fight, while Valentina got into trouble in any fight which she couldn't take down or control opponent on the ground.

Valentina's whole striking game relies on her grappling work, she needs her grappling to reset striking exchange because her foot work isn't that great. She lacks offensive footwork and always retreats in straight lines.

If Zhang could match Valentina in wrestling exchange, there will be path to victory for her.
 
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After some redemption vs. Fiorot Val from Grasso III is back :(

She even ruined round 4 by switching to wrestling in the last minute, while she could have easily coasted it on the feet. And my worst case scenario entertainmentwise was her effortlessly jabbing 50-45. It is what it is, but someone as good a striker as Val should not have to resort to rassling this way - especially when she had the fight already won. At the end I was hoping Zhang would have good sense to get finished in the championship rounds to get it over and done. Well, they can't all be classics. Or even good.

Or mediocre.
 
You guys can't expect Valentina to take a risk when she had everything to lose, while Weili had everything to win. If you're the challenger and you're down in the scorecards, then yeah, go for broke and take every risk that you can. But when you're the #1 P4P fighter defending your belt against another champion, who's best attribute is her KO power and is looking to make a name of off you, while you're AHEAD. You do what it takes to win.
 
Kuksenkov said:
If Weili somehow knocks out Valentina after knocking out Joanna, I will personally show up to her gym and handle her myself.

On a serious note, I'm torn on who's winning (not on who I'm rooting for) because they're both great. It's evident that Valentina has slowed down in recent years, it makes it harder to pick her with 100% confidence; while Weili only seems to have gotten better each year.

However, I think Weili will fuck around and find out once she gets tagged by a counter, and taken down after she tries to score a take down herself. I see Valentina taking over the fight from then, with some highlights from Weili here and there but not enough to win. If Yan Xiaonan can toss you around on the feet with counters after she was finished twice in one fight, you're going to get tossed around by Shevchenko too.

Shevchenko by UD.
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She fucked around and found out after all.
 
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