Why do repeated cleans leave me sucking wind?

I was joking, but re-reading my post, I can see why it was unclear. It wasn't funny.
 
Bamaispriceless said:
Screw all of this advanced definitions bs, I'll rely on the things found in the conditioning forum to improve my conditioning.
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Yeah smart athletes and coaches pretty much knew what worked long before science started looking for why it works. I'd be interested in knowing how much science has actually improved training in the last 50 years. And this is coming from a guy with a degree in exercise science.
 
PhxJudoJujitsu said:
if your working non stop for 120 seconds than your doing aerobic work. However if you do say a set of 10 power cleans, take a 20,30 second break, then start over again, it's purely anaerobic.
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Yes when talking about "aerobic lengths of time" it has to be continuous work to apply. If you can do an activity continuously for at least 2 minutes, it is primarily aerobic work. If your weight training workout takes you an hour, that doesn't mean you are doing aerobics, just repeated bouts of anaerobic work.
 
Good articles, explaining lactate thresholds and why after doing anaerobic work, your body has to work hard to recover, and why you breathe so hard. Unfortunately neither settles the argument, about how long till something starts to transition from anaerobic, to aerobic. But great finds most definately
 
I wouldn't worry about settling the argument (not saying you are), because both you, STWA, and JPC seem to really know your sh*t. Getting caught up in definitions isn't worth it to me, as your success in S&C is what really matters.

Now, I must go Squat (thank God).
 
PhxJudoJujitsu said:
Your talikng about Post Exercise Oxygen Consumption. Once again, in the "evidence" you just posted it supports my argument.

"Without oxygen: pyruvate (figure 4.10, from chapter 4) converts to lactate so ATP can be continuously made to finish the high intensity exercise. (This is crucial during a 400 meter dash, hockey and soccer competitions). If to much lactate builds up, fatigue and pain set in"

"In maximum anaerobic effort, like a 200 meter dash, carbohydrate is the sole contributor to ATP production (due to glycolysis)."


"Energy for a 100 meter dash, or a 25 meter swim are supplied by ATP phosphocreatine stored within muscles. These are termed phosphagens."

Activities like a Power Clean, or 40 yard dash, or 100 meter sprint are purely anaerobic, a 400 meter might be slightly aerobic, an 800 meter is partially aerobic.

So please shoot yourself, even in your own evidence, you admit that a 100 meter dash is anaerobic
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Jesus, you can't read, reminds me of someone else on here, saying I was anti carbs 50 times. I never stated anything about aerobic use under 400 meters. Not 25 meters, 50 meters etc. If you want to qoute me, at least get it straight from your end.
 
Monger said:
www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/physicaledu/EnrgSys.pdf#search='energy%20systems%20e%20xercise

The link above actually verifies Ross's statement regarding a 400m sprint being 43% aerobic. In fact, it's exactly the same which makes me think he may have gotten his information from this very source.

According to the source even doing a 200m sprint is 29% aerobic. Both systems start simultaneously from every thing that I've read and as training time increases the aerobic system becomes more and more dominant. It also states that around 75 secs. the anaerobic and aerobic systems are supplying equal amounts of energy.

One thing is for sure. The different energy systems are not as black and white as some of you make them out to be. The body does not shut one down immediately and start another up at any given time.
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That's my point. Everybody wants it in black and white. Well it isn't. If you really think about it, why else does unconventional training IE '300 training" work so well? You telling me it's because of hitting one path way, or doing things one way? Nope.
 
STWACOACH said:
Jesus, you can't read, reminds me of someone else on here, saying I was anti carbs 50 times. I never stated anything about aerobic use under 400 meters. Not 25 meters, 50 meters etc. If you want to qoute me, at least get it straight from your end.
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Do i need to find the thread where you said? You mean 100 meters isn't aerobic?
 
Go for it, and I will say I was wrong on that. You happy you ignorant fuck? See there Is where I can admit being wrong. 400 meters and above etc, I won't agree with, repeated cleans as well. Doesn't change anything. You and I have had these discussions before, either way, you never shut up, so I will bow out of the thread. Pathways are pathways and no times are exact. Straight from Ivy, Tiptons, Wolfe, Petersons, and Santana's mouth. Sorry man but there science and findings carries a lot more weight for me, than one ref you have out of one book. But wait, I forgot you train semi pro football players lol. It's all good man, keep up that great work.
 
I agreed that above 400 meters it's partly aerobic, to mostly aerobic. I aslo stated several times that before one energy system ends, the next has already started ramping up. I just simply argued that there is no way an activity done for a duration of 60 seconds or less is aerobic in nature. After the 60 second mark, is dependent upon many factors.
 
so... i did cleans for the first time ever today and loved em but i was so focused on my lift i lost count, so how do you all feel about 3 x failure
 
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