Who has rolled with a girl before?

[JohnSouth]

So this JohnSouth guy wants to keep hazing around, wants women out of his gym, has his fantasy/wacko libertarian versions of capitalism and socialism, doesn't like affirmative action and believes in a "mancession".

Your vision of a place to live is horrifying. Your grasp of history and the world we live in is equally as bad.

Yeah basically the world I grew up in when USA was number 1 at just about everything.

The men were tough and you didn't have to go days without seeing a beautiful woman.

The horror.

 

[JohnSouth]

The gift that keeps on giving.

Guys, this is serious. Apparently the communists have teamed up with women in this conspiracy to destroy men. And they're armed with the most powerful weapon ever conceived, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!

I'll give you a B+ for comprehension.

You forgot flat chested man jawed women.

 

[JohnSouth]

I think we have our wires crossed, I'm not talking about women getting jobs, but businesses changing their presentation to attract female customers (although employing more women can be a part of this strategy).

You really cannot separate the two. They market to the demographic that has the disposable income.

Calling it capitalism is absurd because it occurs in the context of extreme socialism and forced transfer of wealth from men to women.

 

[JohnSouth]

this my friends is the definition of ignorance

These days the words mean the opposite, if you point out the obvious they call you ignorant.

Ignorance = hit a nerve.

If you are taking flack that means you are over the target. haha

 

[1neeto]

 

[Alonbenav]

These days the words mean the opposite, if you point out the obvious they call you ignorant.

Ignorance = hit a nerve.

If you are taking flack that means you are over the target. haha

Yeah, broham, if people think you're a clueless, misogynist ignoramus, you must be doing something right! Keep fighting that good fight, it's the only way to break these communist/feminist PC police chains of oppression!

Now THAT'S some sound logic.

 

[FlexLuthor]

Yah hetero men love flat chested, high T manjaws.

Nothing gay about that lol

You train with ugly chicks. I don't.

Explains a lot.

 

[JohnSouth]

You train with ugly chicks. I don't.

Explains a lot.

And "rolling" gives you a way to get a whiff.

Explains a lot.

 

[JohnSouth]

Yeah, broham, if people think you're a clueless, misogynist ignoramus, you must be doing something right! Keep fighting that good fight, it's the only way to break these communist/feminist PC police chains of oppression!

Now THAT'S some sound logic.

Keep calling me names, it makes you seem more credible.

Otherwise, I agree.

 

[seatea]

You really cannot separate the two. They market to the demographic that has the disposable income.

Calling it capitalism is absurd because it occurs in the context of extreme socialism and forced transfer of wealth from men to women.

Prove it.

 

[FlexLuthor]

And "rolling" gives you a way to get a whiff.

Explains a lot.

Gotta know what your getting yourself into.. know what I man bro?

 

[ForeverFiending]

Telling men how to act in BJJ, in the workplace and everywhere else.

Notice how formerly hardcore bodybuilding gyms like gold's now play Bruno Mars and have signs that say no grunting because it scares the women who are here getting toned.

WMMA piggybacking off success of MMA, instead of starting their own thing and see if anyone cares they leech off of men to pass themselves off as athletes to get attention. Anyone who doesn't like it is a sexist pig and is shamed.

I could go on.

Basically any time men start a good thing women want to come in and screw it up with all kinds of rules and accommodations for them.

Dang Johnsouth... that is a very intense perspective. I don't see it that way at all and don't understand how women doing anything "men do" could seem so threatening to your way of life.

It would be like me feeling threatened by the Special Olympics. Or the kids at school who had Special Education. I mean, I don't think women are totally inferior as you do, but I am thinking of examples to try to relate to your mentality. Seeing someone who has to work twice as hard at something to achieve the same goal as I, does not make me feel like they are taking over or depriving me of opportunities.

I mean, the world is ruled by men, it IS a man's world, so what are you complaining about? Scientific research proves that you will always make more money, get better deals on cars and houses, are less likely to be raped, more likely to get promoted, etc. etc. etc. So, I really don't understand why such small things would bother you.

And Planet Fitness has those goofy rules because certain men are threatened by other men, it's not about women. I am guessing the $10 month gym is simply a business which focuses on people who are not gym rats and are trying to entice people who otherwise might be nervous to work out in a gym. Sounds like a good business move.

 

[ForeverFiending]

As soon as you explain how all these formerly male dominated places become PC and female centric for men I'll be all ears.

I'm sold on your wonderful logic and now I want to hear how all this works.

You can tell me right?

It's a business. It sounds like this gym you speak of "sold out" to the latest work out fad, which is and has always been the way. This gym is probably catering to what it feels is going to make money. It's that simple. You should probably switch gyms.

Gyms change a lot. Some of my early fight gyms were full of good fighters, good coaches, sparring several times a week, etc. You go back to that same gym a few years later and the energy is different. I feel your pain as far as that goes anyways.

It's a business.. perhaps women are so obsessed with losing weight and looking "toned" to keep up with the ridiculous demands society puts on them and some of the men are slacking as far as weight training?

If men lifting weights was as popular as Zumba, the tables would be turned. It's supply and demand.

 

[ForeverFiending]

There's nothing wrong with women being in the gym, but I don't want to hear that I have to be more sensitive, use different techniques or not tell this joke or that thing. You can already see that is coming with these dumb hour long videos about how to roll with women, how to use a different arm bar so you don't touch her boobs, etc.

I tolerate women in the gym fine but it's not doing me much good rolling with them. If I beat her I only beat a girl, if I lost to her I lost to a girl mostly likely because I was trying not to hurt her and my coach is rolling his eyes. Of course if I hurt her she complains about that.

So obviously I'm not in the mood to hear about what I need to do to be a better BJJ white knight. I don't really GAF.

I think the problem is this gym you train at. I don't see what the deal is. You should spar or roll with a girl just like a guy, taking into account size and experience. It's not rocket science. Just like you spar anyone, you feel the person out, find the pace, and that's it. I personally have not run into all these crazy problems you seem to have looming around you.

If anything I think it is a huge disservice to a woman who is training to fight to baby her. I've seen some women do poorly in fights because clearly they did not get the sparring they needed. It's not even a woman vs. man thing.. it's a fighter thing. You don't put your fighter in a fight with hardly any sparring. You don't wait until fight day to see how they react under pressure or how well they can take a hit. It's not a gender thing.

As far as rolling, you do a disservice to the woman when you loosely attempt a submission and move on. Being able to tolerate the positions, tolerate the submission, and more importantly, have the opportunity to escape is all very important to learn. How can you learn that with someone babying you? Sometimes the guy doesn't even have the sub locked in correctly, so it is not worthy of tapping and yet he will move along as to not cause the girl to tap. Don't do this. What's the point?

You try not to hurt your training partners, whether they are men or women, you need them to make yourself better. It's not a gender thing.

I understand some women are different and I just assume if they don't like fighting, they will get bored or decide it's not for them and move on. I understand that a lot of men are noble and good and they understand that it is easier to hurt a woman than a man of the same size, so they go easy... that's fine, your gentlemenliness (if that's a word) is awesome and much appreciated, but the woman will show or tell you that you don't need to baby her.

I have a lot of guys who know me quite well so there's no issues with them, but any new guy I roll with who is trying to baby me I will either tell him, "don't worry, I will tap when you get it" I might have to tell them a couple times, I don't mind doing it and they catch on pretty quick. With sparring, there usually are no words, stand up is just like with anyone, you catch on pretty quick to what level your partner is on and how hard you can go. As I rule, I always set the pace pretty hard with new guys so I didn't have to waste time with them getting comfortable hitting me. They hit me, I hit them, it's not a gender thing.

 

[ckjdinnj]

I treat them the same I would a guy. As far as I'm concerned there are no genders in BJJ just different sizes and shapes.


I had a friend who wrestled in highschool that said he would forfeit a match imedietly if it was against a girl. Stuff like this is just disrespectful.

 

[ForeverFiending]

So I noticed something the other day. My shoulder was hurt a little while rolling because the guy was so horrified by the thought of me "beating" him that he went pretty hard. I think of stand-up sparring and how you are trying to work with someone and they get crazed and start going 100%.

I just wanted to make a point that a lot of guys are cool rolling with a girl until she starts beating him. They will do anything to keep from tapping and even though they are considerate of not hurting the girl, they will turn crazy to avoid losing to a girl.

This isn't true for everyone of course, but a lot. Yes.

It's not a big deal to me, but I just wanted you to have this perspective. Imagine that you had to work twice as hard as the next guy just to get your partner to tap. My point is that the women who take training seriously work extremely hard to get where they are

 

[JohnSouth]

So I noticed something the other day. My shoulder was hurt a little while rolling because the guy was so horrified by the thought of me "beating" him that he went pretty hard. I think of stand-up sparring and how you are trying to work with someone and they get crazed and start going 100%.

I just wanted to make a point that a lot of guys are cool rolling with a girl until she starts beating him. They will do anything to keep from tapping and even though they are considerate of not hurting the girl, they will turn crazy to avoid losing to a girl.

This isn't true for everyone of course, but a lot. Yes.

It's not a big deal to me, but I just wanted you to have this perspective. Imagine that you had to work twice as hard as the next guy just to get your partner to tap. My point is that the women who take training seriously work extremely hard to get where they are

You don't realize guys go hard with each other. This is what I meant when women feel singled out or harassed, men harass and go hard with each other constantly.

He went easy on you in light of your vagina but when he started losing he said "screw this white knight crap".

Unless you go to some bs self defense gym rolling is 100% even when they say 75. I've been hurt a lot by other men who don't want to lose.

Women get ticked if a guy goes 100% with her as noted above, now everything has to be about you and your vagina and how you feel wronged.

Nobody cares! Stop whining.

 

[JohnSouth]

I think the problem is this gym you train at. I don't see what the deal is. You should spar or roll with a girl just like a guy, taking into account size and experience. It's not rocket science. Just like you spar anyone, you feel the person out, find the pace, and that's it. I personally have not run into all these crazy problems you seem to have looming around you.

If anything I think it is a huge disservice to a woman who is training to fight to baby her. I've seen some women do poorly in fights because clearly they did not get the sparring they needed. It's not even a woman vs. man thing.. it's a fighter thing. You don't put your fighter in a fight with hardly any sparring. You don't wait until fight day to see how they react under pressure or how well they can take a hit. It's not a gender thing.

As far as rolling, you do a disservice to the woman when you loosely attempt a submission and move on. Being able to tolerate the positions, tolerate the submission, and more importantly, have the opportunity to escape is all very important to learn. How can you learn that with someone babying you? Sometimes the guy doesn't even have the sub locked in correctly, so it is not worthy of tapping and yet he will move along as to not cause the girl to tap. Don't do this. What's the point?

You try not to hurt your training partners, whether they are men or women, you need them to make yourself better. It's not a gender thing.

I understand some women are different and I just assume if they don't like fighting, they will get bored or decide it's not for them and move on. I understand that a lot of men are noble and good and they understand that it is easier to hurt a woman than a man of the same size, so they go easy... that's fine, your gentlemenliness (if that's a word) is awesome and much appreciated, but the woman will show or tell you that you don't need to baby her.

I have a lot of guys who know me quite well so there's no issues with them, but any new guy I roll with who is trying to baby me I will either tell him, "don't worry, I will tap when you get it" I might have to tell them a couple times, I don't mind doing it and they catch on pretty quick. With sparring, there usually are no words, stand up is just like with anyone, you catch on pretty quick to what level your partner is on and how hard you can go. As I rule, I always set the pace pretty hard with new guys so I didn't have to waste time with them getting comfortable hitting me. They hit me, I hit them, it's not a gender thing.

When I do that they get mad because I hurt them.

I'm a light heavy stronger than most superheavy so if I go rough with a 120lb person man or woman they are going to be hurting and spend a lot of time underneath me.

I decided it's not worth it for either of us, does me no good to smash her nor her any good to get hurt so I try to just have a nice roll and even let her beat me if it comes to strength. I have no ego and nothing to prove.

She's not going to be fighting people like me and vice versa.

 

[JohnSouth]

I admit it is hard for women to get good sparring partners, they should train more with each other but there are not many women in some gyms.

My only objection is the whining and "things have to change".

 

[JohnSouth]

Imagine how hard a male purple belt is going to go with a male white belt that has him in a bad spot.

Then you'll see him go hard as hell.

He don't want to tap no how.