Who has rolled with a girl before?

[Marbig]

You don't realize guys go hard with each other.This is what I meant when women feel singled out or harassed, men harass and go hard with each other constantly..

He went easy on you in light of your vagina but when he started losing he said "screw this white knight crap".

Unless you go to some bs self defense gym rolling is 100% even when they say 75. I've been hurt a lot by other men who don't want to lose.

Women get ticked if a guy goes 100% with her as noted above, now everything has to be about you and your vagina and how you feel wronged.

Nobody cares! Stop whining.[/QUOTE]

There is a clear distinction between what guys DO and what guys SHOULD DO. If you are getting hurt in training, you are doing it wrong. I know the white belt spaz all too well and, while it definitely happens, it really doesn't benefit anyone much at least in training. There is value in lighter, more technical rolling and if you are constantly rolling at 100% then that's not good regardless of gender.

Also, I don't even think you understand what ForeverFiend is talking about. She's saying, she's got the submission in but the other guy won't tap. That puts her in an awkward situation since what options does she have from there? Put more strength into it and risk her partner going to sleep/or having a limb hyperextended? Or just let it go and let her hard work remain unrecognized (usually this is what happen and it sucks)? Again, this a valid complaint regardless of gender.

Btw, I think we all saw your response in the other thread. I didn't respond because I don't think you were trying to understand in the first place (more so to argue and prove you are "right") and I doubt this reply would go down that much better with you.

 

[JohnSouth]

Dang Johnsouth... that is a very intense perspective. I don't see it that way at all and don't understand how women doing anything "men do" could seem so threatening to your way of life.

It would be like me feeling threatened by the Special Olympics. Or the kids at school who had Special Education. I mean, I don't think women are totally inferior as you do, but I am thinking of examples to try to relate to your mentality. Seeing someone who has to work twice as hard at something to achieve the same goal as I, does not make me feel like they are taking over or depriving me of opportunities.

I mean, the world is ruled by men, it IS a man's world, so what are you complaining about? Scientific research proves that you will always make more money, get better deals on cars and houses, are less likely to be raped, more likely to get promoted, etc. etc. etc. So, I really don't understand why such small things would bother you.

And Planet Fitness has those goofy rules because certain men are threatened by other men, it's not about women. I am guessing the $10 month gym is simply a business which focuses on people who are not gym rats and are trying to entice people who otherwise might be nervous to work out in a gym. Sounds like a good business move.

When you can't have the olympics anymore because the whole world caters to retards then something is wrong.

I will admit that weak metrosexual men have something to do with it. But who made those weak men? Single moms mad at their thug boyfriends turn their sons into little cream puffs who are going to "treat a woman right by god". These men become incels who can't get laid and are threatened by anything vaguely masculine.

And that "scientific research" (lol) done by social workers and women's studies professors is a joke. Women make less overall than men because they prefer to work less and do safer jobs. Period.

Men do not rule the world, they spend their lives tripping over themselves to impress women with how "nice" they can be and brow beat other men into submission when they won't.

I'll submit the contents of this thread as evidence.

 

[JohnSouth]

He went easy on you in light of your vagina but when he started losing he said "screw this white knight crap".

Unless you go to some bs self defense gym rolling is 100% even when they say 75. I've been hurt a lot by other men who don't want to lose.

Women get ticked if a guy goes 100% with her as noted above, now everything has to be about you and your vagina and how you feel wronged.

Nobody cares! Stop whining.

There is a clear distinction between what guys DO and what guys SHOULD DO. If you are getting hurt in training, you are doing it wrong. I know the white belt spaz all too well and, while it definitely happens, it really doesn't benefit anyone much at least in training. There is value in lighter, more technical rolling and if you are constantly rolling at 100% then that's not good regardless of gender.

Also, I don't even think you understand what ForeverFiend is talking about. She's saying, she's got the submission in but the other guy won't tap. That puts her in an awkward situation since what options does she have from there? Put more strength into it and risk her partner going to sleep/or having a limb hyperextended? Or just let it go and let her hard work remain unrecognized (usually this is what happen and it sucks)? Again, this a valid complaint regardless of gender.

Btw, I think we all saw your response in the other thread. I didn't respond because I don't think you were trying to understand in the first place (more so to argue and prove you are "right") and I doubt this reply would go down that much better with you.

Man you train that way you are gonna get punked when someone puts real pressure on you.

People get hurt because that's what combat is and what it does.

It's a feature, not a bug.

 

[JohnSouth]

Prove it.

Minority woman owned businesses, affirmative action, and Divorce court racketeering.

All billion dollar examples of socialist wealth transfer of wealth from men to women.

Funny thing is most of them end up having zero bank balances anyway because they will blow every cent on gym memberships, luxury cars and apartments, etc.

So companies market more toward them but that doesn't make it a shining example of the free market.

 

[Marbig]

Man you train that way you are gonna get punked when someone puts real pressure on you.

People get hurt because that's what combat is and what it does.

It's a feature, not a bug.

really?

oh my. with my four amateur fights and various medals from BJJ tournaments, I would never have known what combat sports is without you kindly enlightening me.

thanks so much just-bleed sensei.

P.S. Large difference in risking injury in competitions and being unnecessarily hurt in the gym by much larger people because of their egos.

 

[JohnSouth]

really?

oh my. with my four amateur fights and various medals from BJJ tournaments, I would never have known what combat sports is without you kindly enlightening me.

thanks so much just-bleed sensei.

P.S. Large difference in risking injury in competitions and being unnecessarily hurt in the gym by much larger people because of their egos.

So on the one hand we should not treat women any differently.

But on the other hand if we go hard we are wrong because you got some medals and you don't train too hard and the women don't like it.

Kind of another example of when you introduce women into the mix the quality goes down.

 

[orangeclay]

So on the one hand we should not treat women any differently.

But on the other hand if we go hard we are wrong because you got some medals and you don't train too hard and the women don't like it.

Kind of another example of when you introduce women into the mix the quality goes down.

JohnSouth - your ability to keep this thread growing is straight epic. Pages ago it was clear that there was no way you were going to change your mind about the women led erosion of society.

I think what Marbig was trying to say was that in general spazzing out on a partner hinders training not that men shouldn't spazz out on women in particular. Going hard is VERY different from spazzing.

And, what Forever Fiending was saying was that men when they think they might loose to a women can do some really crappy stuff not just pick up the intensity of regular BJJ. I've been lucky enough to avoid most of this, but I have been punched during a punch choke (yes, I know the difference since I do stand up as well as grappling.) Another guy thought nothing of pulling one of my fingers as hard as possible away from my hand to try to stop a choke. And when I basically said what the hell was that after I caught the choke again on the other side, he actually said that he couldn't get the choke off without tearing at a single finger so did what he needed to do. So... I guess what I am saying is that deciding not to follow the rules of BJJ when losing is way more than just spazzing out or just fighting harder. Nothing wrong with a vicious crossface but everything wrong with an elbow strike. Now, for sure this isn't something that just happens to women. The finger pulling fellow was suspended a few times and ran into loads of conflicts with other guys for similar crap. But, the guys who are going to do this crap do seem to try it for certain when losing to women.

 

[JohnSouth]

Oh and btw if you partner won't tap keep cranking it, whatever happens is his problem.

I tapped too late the other day to a choke because I thought I could hang and woke up on the mat. Getting choked out is nice, it feels great and you have vivid dreams in only a few seconds.

I had a girl in an Americana a while back and her elbow was by her hip and fully cranked, I was looking at it like wtf but she was fine. Same problem is sometimes had with Kimuras.

Some submissions don't work on some people but that's life.

 

[JohnSouth]

JohnSouth - your ability to keep this thread growing is straight epic. Pages ago it was clear that there was no way you were going to change your mind about the women led erosion of society.

I think what Marbig was trying to say was that in general spazzing out on a partner hinders training not that men shouldn't spazz out on women in particular. Going hard is VERY different from spazzing.

And, what Forever Fiending was saying was that men when they think they might loose to a women can do some really crappy stuff not just pick up the intensity of regular BJJ. I've been lucky enough to avoid most of this, but I have been punched during a punch choke (yes, I know the difference since I do stand up as well as grappling.) Another guy thought nothing of pulling one of my fingers as hard as possible away from my hand to try to stop a choke. And when I basically said what the hell was that after I caught the choke again on the other side, he actually said that he couldn't get the choke off without tearing at a single finger so did what he needed to do. So... I guess what I am saying is that deciding not to follow the rules of BJJ when losing is way more than just spazzing out or just fighting harder. Nothing wrong with a vicious crossface but everything wrong with an elbow strike. Now, for sure this isn't something that just happens to women. The finger pulling fellow was suspended a few times and ran into loads of conflicts with other guys for similar crap. But, the guys who are going to do this crap do seem to try it for certain when losing to women.

Well I don't support spazzing or finger grabbing and unnecessary roughness, I can understand being upset with that.

But in all fairness I've had women fail to tap due to extreme flexibility and also trying to do some self defense bs to my finger and I had to remind them it isn't that kind of class.

Some people are just spazzy dicks you know? I think I've been elbowed in the face like 10 times in the last few months by newbs.

They kind of grab onto you and spaz out becuase they don't know what to do or the position makes them tense up and spin around. Even purple belts can be spazzy and grab your skin instead of your gi but it's not a solely male or female problem.

 

[ForeverFiending]

You don't realize guys go hard with each other. This is what I meant when women feel singled out or harassed, men harass and go hard with each other constantly.

He went easy on you in light of your vagina but when he started losing he said "screw this white knight crap".

Unless you go to some bs self defense gym rolling is 100% even when they say 75. I've been hurt a lot by other men who don't want to lose.

Women get ticked if a guy goes 100% with her as noted above, now everything has to be about you and your vagina and how you feel wronged.

Nobody cares! Stop whining.

Oh, please... I go to a very legit gym and people don't roll 100% all the time.

You are right though that guys go hard on eachother too. I see that happen again, when one guy is getting beat and he says "screw this"... or actually there is one guy who is huge and massive and doesn't know his own strength, so he hurts people a lot by accident.

I'm not whining, I'm not even complaining, I just thought it would be interesting to point out.

 

[ForeverFiending]

I admit it is hard for women to get good sparring partners, they should train more with each other but there are not many women in some gyms.

My only objection is the whining and "things have to change".

It sounds bad, but I usually prefer the men to women. It's very hard to find women who spar for real and are very dedicated. They are like gems, far and few in between. They are becoming more and more though.

I haven't encountered this "women taking over the sport" thing you speak of. So I cannot relate. If I go to a gym to learn or a trainer, I expect and prefer to be trained accordingly. I still don't really understand what you are talking about when you say this other than Zumba taking over a lifting gym.

 

[ForeverFiending]

Imagine how hard a male purple belt is going to go with a male white belt that has him in a bad spot.

Then you'll see him go hard as hell.

He don't want to tap no how.

Yes, good point. You are right. But just saying, it's even worse when it's a girl.

 

[ForeverFiending]

When you can't have the olympics anymore because the whole world caters to retards then something is wrong.

I will admit that weak metrosexual men have something to do with it. But who made those weak men? Single moms mad at their thug boyfriends turn their sons into little cream puffs who are going to "treat a woman right by god". These men become incels who can't get laid and are threatened by anything vaguely masculine.

And that "scientific research" (lol) done by social workers and women's studies professors is a joke. Women make less overall than men because they prefer to work less and do safer jobs. Period.

Men do not rule the world, they spend their lives tripping over themselves to impress women with how "nice" they can be and brow beat other men into submission when they won't.

I'll submit the contents of this thread as evidence.

LMAO, JohnSouth, I actually think I'm starting to like you.

Although I think you are a very paranoid man. You need to relax. You'd be happier. :wink:

 

[ForeverFiending]

There is a clear distinction between what guys DO and what guys SHOULD DO. If you are getting hurt in training, you are doing it wrong. I know the white belt spaz all too well and, while it definitely happens, it really doesn't benefit anyone much at least in training. There is value in lighter, more technical rolling and if you are constantly rolling at 100% then that's not good regardless of gender.

Also, I don't even think you understand what ForeverFiend is talking about. She's saying, she's got the submission in but the other guy won't tap. That puts her in an awkward situation since what options does she have from there? Put more strength into it and risk her partner going to sleep/or having a limb hyperextended? Or just let it go and let her hard work remain unrecognized (usually this is what happen and it sucks)? Again, this a valid complaint regardless of gender.

Btw, I think we all saw your response in the other thread. I didn't respond because I don't think you were trying to understand in the first place (more so to argue and prove you are "right") and I doubt this reply would go down that much better with you.

Thanks, you got my point better.

I just thought we could all share our perspectives here.

Even in boxing I had one female pro training partner that I trained a lot with. Her and I worked twice as hard as most of the guys in that gym and it seems easier for them sometimes. Men def have a physical advantage. Not only are you just stronger by nature but even keeping your weight down is easier. I'm not complaining, it's just how it is, but my point is that those women who have proven themselves have worked pretty damn hard for it. Harder than you think. Which in my mind is respectable.

 

[seatea]

Minority woman owned businesses, affirmative action, and Divorce court racketeering.

All billion dollar examples of socialist wealth transfer of wealth from men to women.

Funny thing is most of them end up having zero bank balances anyway because they will blow every cent on gym memberships, luxury cars and apartments, etc.

So companies market more toward them but that doesn't make it a shining example of the free market.

You think minority women being allowed to own businesses is a sign of socialism rather than a free market!?

Also, I don't believe you understand what the words 'socialism' or 'prove' means.

 

[Marbig]

So on the one hand we should not treat women any differently.

But on the other hand if we go hard we are wrong because you got some medals and you don't train too hard and the women don't like it.

Kind of another example of when you introduce women into the mix the quality goes down.

I don't treat women differently. If a person comes up to me and has a 40-50lb regardless of gender, I am going to go a little lighter on him/her. Conversely, if someone a head taller than me shows up, then I can go a little harder. During competition class, I pick people my size and my experience to go hard with. Even then, it is a respectful kind of hard - if they are in a position where they risk injury, I would stop regardless of whether I get a tap or not.

Also, lol @ you thinking I don't train hard...because, obviously, fighters don't train at high intensities eh? And, you are wrong to use 'we' in your post...as far as I can tell, no one is actually agreeing with you.

 

[LaBrian]

If you are constantly hurting people you train with then you are a fucking idiot. That's not "just what men do" it's what scared little boys with a chip on their shoulder do. I'm so glad I main at a place without bullshit like that.

 

[HOW5ER]

lol I've been subbed by chicks, Ive been subbed by pretty much everyone.......Cos I let them get me into sh1t situations and try to escape, Sometimes ill let them get the RNC on too tight and i'm fcuked, does it bother me?? No?? I usually let a white belt or blue belt thats not as strong or good as me tap me???

 

[Einarr]

I usually let a white belt or blue belt thats not as strong or good as me tap me???

Well, do you or don't you? Your use of punctuation is very, erm, "unique".

 

[sb413197]

lol I've been subbed by chicks, Ive been subbed by pretty much everyone.......Cos I let them get me into sh1t situations and try to escape, Sometimes ill let them get the RNC on too tight and i'm fcuked, does it bother me?? No?? I usually let a white belt or blue belt thats not as strong or good as me tap me???

Letting people get into good positions against you is one thing (or even the beginning of submissions)...but let them get a full-on RNC so you can work on an escape? Man, that's some wild stuff, I'm not sure that's a good idea - might build bad habits (unless you truly offer absolutely no resistance at all and then go for it once the sub is locked in)?