Who do you see as the real champ?

[laleggenda27]

Aspinall obviously. Jones has exactly 1 win at HW, whereas Aspinall has completely destroyed 4 guys currently in the top 10. And Aspinall's best win (Pavlovich) is better than Jones's best win (Gane). I don't even see the debate.

That being said, Ngannou is the true HW champion. The UFC has really made a mess of the HW division by letting Ngannou walk away, giving Jones what amounts to an interim belt, and then creating another interim belt.

 

[El Fernas]

Ngannou, but since he is out of the UFC then its Jones, Aspinall wasnt even supposed to fight on that card (iirc) or for the belt, its Jones.

 

[AstralPanda]

But he did end up signing a lesser contract. Estimates are he earned 7 million for beating Gane, less than the 10 million he turned down two years prior.

Jon Jones earned a massive, seven-figure purse for his UFC 285 bout

Jon Jones pocketed a big purse for his UFC return.

www.sportbible.com

So he turned down the fight for a higher amount when both he and Ngannou were under contract, then agreed to a lesser contract two years later when it was too late to make the fight. Jones is the reason the fight didn't happen. Stop trying to change the narrative.

The fact is that ngannou was offered the fight for 8 million.

If he accepted, then the fight would've happened.

It's that simple. And there's no way any rational person can spin it any other way.

All these mental gymnastics and cherry picking facts as it suits the biased / anti Jones narrative is just purely delusional.

Probably based on some subconscious hate towards the man and desire to cut him down, whenever the opportunity arises.

 

[blaseblase]

Jones had already come to an agreement before Ngannou left. He was already signed. What part of that don't you understand?

Those numbers don't mean anything because they don't take into account ppv points, which is likely the biggest factor of a contract and negotiations.


We don't know what Jones actually made because those numbers aren't reported. It's all just hearsay from unreliable sources.

Whatever Jones signed for, he was happy with. Meaning that the UFC did meet him in the middle.

The predominant reason Jones moved to HW to begin with was a big payday. To fight for a second belt. So the idea he would just willfully accept a low payday, after such long, drawn out negotiations would be pretty irrational.


I'm not trying to change any narrative.

The reality is that Ngannou was offered the Jones fight for 8 million and he turned it down. There is no way anyone can conceivably spin this around and pin it on Jones without being utterly delusional.


Could Jones have taken the fight for a lower payday back in 2021? Maybe. But that's saying we should just expect fighters to take fights and not give a shit about fighting for their worth. Regardless of how big of a star they are.


Which is absurd.

Jones was offered 10 million and turned it down. Own up to it. You can't keep bringing up the 8 million for Ngannou when he was already out of his contract while ignoring what Jones was offered WHILE he was under contract. You're being a hypocrite. Jones is the reason the fight didn't happen. There's like two years of documented history here. Get real. Typical Jones stan, revising history to make your boy look good.

 

[blaseblase]

The fact is that Jones was offered the fight for 10 million.

If he accepted, then the fight would've happened.

It's that simple. And there's no way any rational person can spin it any other way.

All these mental gymnastics and cherry picking facts as it suits the biased / pro Jones narrative is just purely delusional.

Probably based on some subconscious obsession with the man and desire to fellate him, whenever the opportunity arises.

Ftfy

 

[AstralPanda]

Jones was offered 10 million and turned it down. Own up to it. You can't keep bringing up the 8 million for Ngannou when he was already out of his contract while ignoring what Jones was offered WHILE he was under contract. You're being a hypocrite. Jones is the reason the fight didn't happen. There's like two years of documented history here. Get real. Typical Jones stan, revising history to make your boy look good.

Sounds like what you're doing.

You're ignoring the fact that Ngannou turned down the fight for 8 million.

Had he accepted, the fight would've happened. It's that simple. Why ignore this?

But you're projecting, going back in history and referencing Jones not signing 2 years ago. To take emphasis off the fact that Ngannou didn't sign now.

You're so delusional you can't even see yourself.


Could Jones have taken 10 million to fight back in 2021? Sure. But I'm also an advocate of fighters pushing for every ounce of their worth in a sport that grossly underpays their fighters.

Those sorts of negotiations take time. Especially with the ufc.

Ngannou turned the fight down and left the ufc.

But Jones is the one who prevented the fight from happening. Help me understand the logic.

 

[blaseblase]

Sounds like what you're doing.

You're ignoring the fact that Ngannou turned down the fight for 8 million.

Had he accepted, the fight would've happened. It's that simple. Why ignore this?

But you're projecting, going back in history and referencing Jones not signing 2 years ago. To take emphasis off the fact that Ngannou didn't sign now.

You're so delusional you can't even see yourself.


Could Jones have taken 10 million to fight back in 2021? Sure. But I'm also an advocate of fighters pushing for every ounce of their worth in a sport that grossly underpays their fighters.

Those sorts of negotiations take time. Especially with the ufc.

Ngannou turned the fight down and left the ufc.

But Jones is the one who prevented the fight from happening. Help me understand the logic.

Repeat after me: "Jon Jones, while under contract, turned down 10 million to fight Ngannou"

 

[AstralPanda]

Ftfy

So you're saying that Jones should've just accepted the fight In 2021 for far less than he's worth, without even a question or argument

And if he doesn't, he's ducking.


While simultaneously, casually ignoring the fact that Ngannou was offered a contract for 8 million, turned it down and left the ufc.

And your conclusion is that Jones ducked.

You really live in your own little world, don't you?

 

[blaseblase]

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

So don't just answer with who is officially the champ, but who of these two, in your personal opinion, do you see as the real HW champ right now?

@HHJ


PS it's just weird posting my first thread in this new era of SD.... And mods, I have a dark background on my phone - not sure if that's standards or just carried over personal settings from the previous edition - but the letters when making the poll are also dark... Meaning I can hardly see shit, Capt'n! when making the poll.

Ciryl Gane was the better win (for Jones) than defeating Sergei Pavlovich was (for Aspinall).

Gane was undefeated until Ngannou — yet took Ngannou the distance — turned Ngannou into a wrestler, and was beating Frances throughout the fight, only to lose tone bad decision at the last seconds.

His record was infinitely better than Sergei Pavlovich, who quit to Overeem in one round.

Jones is the true, lineal champ — and "opinions" do not matter.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Aspinall beats them all.

Best HW in history. There is a reason Stipe and Jones will duck him.

 

[blaseblase]

So you're saying that Jones should've just accepted the fight In 2021 for far less than he's worth, without even a question or argument

And if he doesn't, he's ducking.


While simultaneously, casually ignoring the fact that Ngannou was offered a contract for 8 million, turned it down and left the ufc.

And your conclusion is that Jones ducked.

You really live in your own little world, don't you?

Is 10 million less than he's worth? That would literally have been the biggest payout of his career. We know the type of money he was making due to the ongoing lawsuit.

You're such a little hypocrite. Touting this 8 million number when Ngannou was already out of his contract while ignoring the fact Jones turned down 10 million 2 years earlier when they were both under contract.

 

[AstralPanda]

Repeat after me: "Jon Jones, while under contract, turned down 10 million to fight Ngannou"

Negotiations take time.

Look into boxing. There's a lot of fights which took a long time to make because boxers fight for their worth / bigger chunk of the pie or whatever the case may be.

Sure, Jones could've just accepted back in 2021 without any argument whatsoever.

But that's just irrational. It's suggesting you believe fighters should just accept whatever the UFC offers without questioning or fighting for their worth.

Which is a pretty questionable stance, given that we know how much the UFC underpays fighters in terms of percentages.

Fighters SHOULD fight for their worth. Especially its biggest stars. That's what sets the precedent for all fighters to push for more.

And the reality is that when fighters fight for their worth, it takes time.

Conversely, Ngannou was offered virtually the maximum he ever could've gotten from the ufc. Turned it down and subsequently left the ufc.

You can't just casually ignore the last point and expect to be taken seriously.

You're picking and choosing facts as it suits your bias.

 

[chinarice]

Is the real world champion!

 

[blaseblase]

 

[blaseblase]

The tweets don't lie

 

[jeff7b9]

So don't just answer with who is officially the champ, but who of these two, in your personal opinion, do you see as the real HW champ right now?

@HHJ


PS it's just weird posting my first thread in this new era of SD.... And mods, I have a dark background on my phone - not sure if that's standards or just carried over personal settings from the previous edition - but the letters when making the poll are also dark... Meaning I can hardly see shit, Capt'n! when making the poll.

I noticed the poll choices were edited to include "neither" based on a post suggesting both Jones and Aspinall both feel like interim champs.

Well... if they are both interim champs, then who is the real champ?


Francis Ngannou.

AKA the "Lineal Champ"

And if he was included in this as a poll option then I would change my vote to Ngannou as he is the lineal Champ and has a more legitimate claim to the throne than either Jones or Aspinall imo having beaten Stipe, thus making him "the man who beat the man" until Ngannou retires or loses in MMA.

 

[blaseblase]

Negotiations take time.

Look into boxing. There's a lot of fights which took a long time to make because boxers fight for their worth / bigger chunk of the pie or whatever the case may be.

Sure, Jones could've just accepted back in 2021 without any argument whatsoever.

But that's just irrational. It's suggesting you believe fighters should just accept whatever the UFC offers without questioning or fighting for their worth.

Which is a pretty questionable stance, given that we know how much the UFC underpays fighters in terms of percentages.

Fighters SHOULD fight for their worth. Especially its biggest stars. That's what sets the precedent for all fighters to push for more.

And the reality is that when fighters fight for their worth, it takes time.

Conversely, Ngannou was offered virtually the maximum he ever could've gotten from the ufc. Turned it down and subsequently left the ufc.

You can't just casually ignore the last point and expect to be taken seriously.

You're picking and choosing facts as it suits your bias.

Lol you can't even say the words. You can't even admit that Jones turned down the fight for 10 million. That says it all.

 

[AstralPanda]

Is 10 million less than he's worth? That would literally have been the biggest payout of his career. We know the type of money he was making due to the ongoing lawsuit.

You're such a little hypocrite. Touting this 8 million number when Ngannou was already out of his contract while ignoring the fact Jones turned down 10 million 2 years earlier when they were both under contract.

You don't even see yourself. Calling me a hypocrite is comical.

What does being out of his contract have to do with anything? Ngannou was offered 8 million to take the fight and turned it down. Hence, the fight never happened.

Whether he was signed or not is irrelevant.

Jones being under contract doesn't mean anything either. Because a contract renegotiation was always going to be a huge part of fighting for the HW title.

Wilder was making 30 million a fight while doing similar or even lesser numbers in boxing. So, yes. 10 million is definitely less than he's worth and any fighter would be right to fight against it.

Just acting like Jones should've accepted the 10 million offer, calling him a duck for pushing for more is irrational and oblivious to fighter pay.

Sure, he could've taken it. But given what we know about fighter pay, why would you even advocate for a fighter just willfully accepting a fight for much less than they're worth?

 

[AstralPanda]

Lol you can't even say the words. You can't even admit that Jones turned down the fight for 10 million. That says it all.

It was implied.

The fact that you so casually ignore that ngannou was offered the fight and turned it down says it all.

You have no argument.

Just cherry picking facts as it suits you. The cognitive dissonance must be immense at this point.