Who beats JDM?

[JKS]

I think Prates, Garry, Shavkat and Morales all beat him.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Edit: Jack Della rematch Belal. No one cares.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Doesnt he have one win over a top 10 ranked opponent?

Not to do the "he was never good" thing, but he was and is pretty unproven.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Uhm.
Eye test (mine, at least) tells me his boxing and general striking is superior enough to Garry's to point fight him to a decision.
I think he's better than Prates everywhere.

Usman, I agree.

Garry is clearly quicker and very good at disrupting rhythm and range with his kicks, utilizes length well. Jacks a planted boxer, pretty heavy and slow with his footwork, Garry has very fleet of foot footwork. It would be an interesting fight, Garry would look better over longer stretches, Jack would need to rely on big moments to change the complexion in order to sway rounds, shift momentum or very likely have to finish Garry entirely.

I was surprised how young Garry is and having wins over Belal, Prates, MVP and giving Shavkat such a competitive fight. Its very respectable. Never gave Garry credit.

Both guys have had some very inconsistent performances, while Jack was on a long win streak he looked horrid vs a regional fighter and UFC washout in Hafez, he struggled a lot vs a journeyman in Holland and he was down on the cards vs Burns looking pretty bad before catching him with that knee...Burns was like 38 and returning from injury and off a loss in that fight too. Jack has shown a bad issue with conditioning at times, then others he looks really well conditioned. He has good defense, or at least a disciplined guard but his reflexes seem slow and hes still fairly hittable. His wrestling vs everyone besides Belal looked terrible....vs Burns, Hafez, Islam it was dog shit.

Garry too though, he outclassed Prates early everywhere but down the stretch really began to give up his momentum and it became kinda a close decision in some people's eyes. Garry seems like he doesnt trust his own chin if you ask me...he has decent defense, footwork, ability to control range, hes a quick fluid and technical striker but he seems skittish at times, not the best instincts under pressure or when hurt. He really struggled vs Geoff Neal, I think Neal was a very respectable fighter but Im still acknowledging it. He put in a dreadful performance vs MVP too, showed no potency to his grappling vs such a weak grappler in Page and also showed he is uncomfortable standing when he cant get away with playing the long man's game (weve seen that from Page, Thompson and a million other good strikers too but it exposes how when a style relies on length and you face another long boy, the importance of being more multifaceted in your striking is crucial, since Page was a much longer boy and Garry failed in having those wrinkles).

I think Garry wins, I dont think Jack is point fighting to a 5 round victory lol. Could definitely win but a finish or rocking Garry is part of that formula. JDM vs Prates would be amazing to see, but I think Morales vs Prates next is more likely, especially if Usman is moving up.

 

[Othman]

He'll fight in the summer

He should have fought when Paddy vs Geathje happened

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

... give him Usman

he beats usmans ass. jdm has good takedown defense in the same way wonderboy does. if you let him get his striking and footwork going his takedown defense is great. if you shut that down hes much easier to take down. and an old usman wont be able to hold jdm down or get to half guard every time like islam did

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

Garry’s movement would trouble him.

Prates would destroy his legs.

Him and Morales is an interesting matchup that I would enjoy.

Who the hell knows how Shavkat comes back post injury but pre I’d have picked him as well.

I wouldn’t rule out Brady taking him down and submitting him either, but Brady could also gas, especially with how much work JDM puts into the body, and then get KTFO.

garry got put to the fence pretty often by belal and prates. his ring craft is massively overrated, he does alot of tall man defense that leads to him eating big shots. ive seen enough of jdm running people to the fence with ring cutting combinations that i would expect him to kinda beat ian up. especially since hes so much better at attritional damage.

Prates is not destroying jdms legs because jdm can comfortably check kicks against him and prates doesnt have the footwork or striking acumen to perfectly time calf kicks all fight. islam is a better striker than prates and prates does not have the takedown threat that makes it way harder for jdm to check kicks successfully.

Shavkat vs JDM is interesting but like Shavkats takedowns arent great even if his top game is and shavkat gets hit way more than jdm. id expect shavkat to just eat more big shots and lose the war of attrition over rounds. still an interesting fight though.

Brady doesnt have the striking to set up his takedowns or the takedowns to get jdm down and he gets destroyed on the feet imo

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

The Australian Fraud. I think Prates and Morales sleep him, Usman wrestle fucks him, and Gary outpoints him.

imo he shreds prates and morales and usman doesnt have the takedowns, feet, or striking, to get takedowns on jdm consistently. Gary scrapes by everyone he fights and just narrowly outpoints them, he also gets to the fence alot and does alot of tall man defense that leads to him eating big shots, jack would shred his body and beat him up along the fence

 

[chinarice]

The guy who barely beat Kevin Holland isn't some unbeatable fighter. He wasn't caught. His skills were pretty evenly matched with Kevin Holland and went to a very close decision

I am not sure JDM is a top5 WW.

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

I dunno. He sort of barely scraped by everyone he fought regardless of their skill level. One of those dudes that fights to his opponents' abilities.
Every match going forward would be a 50/50 for me.

idk imo he clearly beat burns and holland and beat the fuck out of belal.

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

The guy who barely beat Kevin Holland isn't some unbeatable fighter. He wasn't caught. His skills were pretty evenly matched with Kevin Holland and went to a very close decision

I am not sure JDM is a top5 WW.

if you think he barely beat holland you need to get your eyes checked

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

Brady and Usman.

Still think he'd beat Garry, Prates, and Morales. Though there's always a chance Prates can chin you.

i think he gets hurt by prates at some point because its prates but JDM is pretty iron chinned so i doubt he gets put out cold and his guard, eyes, and head movement are too good and mobile that i dont think a methodical guy like prates who isnt used to having to follow up would be able to get him out of there. Agree about garry and and morales. As for brady and usman i just don't think they have the striking or footwork to disrupt jdm enough to get their takedowns especially usman whos slow as molasses. jdm only becomes easy to take down when you neutralize his striking like islam did imo

 

[JKS]

The guy who barely beat Kevin Holland isn't some unbeatable fighter. He wasn't caught. His skills were pretty evenly matched with Kevin Holland and went to a very close decision

I am not sure JDM is a top5 WW.

I have my doubts as well. He's had too many close fights with lower to mid level competition like Holland and Hafez. He was losing to Burns till end of round 3 when he managed to get the finish. Belal is really the only high level impressive win he's got. I don't think he does very well vs the other top WWs

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

Garry is clearly quicker and very good at disrupting rhythm and range with his kicks, utilizes length well. Jacks a planted boxer, pretty heavy and slow with his footwork, Garry has very fleet of foot footwork. It would be an interesting fight, Garry would look better over longer stretches, Jack would need to rely on big moments to change the complexion in order to sway rounds, shift momentum or very likely have to finish Garry entirely.

I was surprised how young Garry is and having wins over Belal, Prates, MVP and giving Shavkat such a competitive fight. Its very respectable. Never gave Garry credit.

Both guys have had some very inconsistent performances, while Jack was on a long win streak he looked horrid vs a regional fighter and UFC washout in Hafez, he struggled a lot vs a journeyman in Holland and he was down on the cards vs Burns looking pretty bad before catching him with that knee...Burns was like 38 and returning from injury and off a loss in that fight too. Jack has shown a bad issue with conditioning at times, then others he looks really well conditioned. He has good defense, or at least a disciplined guard but his reflexes seem slow and hes still fairly hittable. His wrestling vs everyone besides Belal looked terrible....vs Burns, Hafez, Islam it was dog shit.

Garry too though, he outclassed Prates early everywhere but down the stretch really began to give up his momentum and it became kinda a close decision in some people's eyes. Garry seems like he doesnt trust his own chin if you ask me...he has decent defense, footwork, ability to control range, hes a quick fluid and technical striker but he seems skittish at times, not the best instincts under pressure or when hurt. He really struggled vs Geoff Neal, I think Neal was a very respectable fighter but Im still acknowledging it. He put in a dreadful performance vs MVP too, showed no potency to his grappling vs such a weak grappler in Page and also showed he is uncomfortable standing when he cant get away with playing the long man's game (weve seen that from Page, Thompson and a million other good strikers too but it exposes how when a style relies on length and you face another long boy, the importance of being more multifaceted in your striking is crucial, since Page was a much longer boy and Garry failed in having those wrinkles).

I think Garry wins, I dont think Jack is point fighting to a 5 round victory lol. Could definitely win but a finish or rocking Garry is part of that formula. JDM vs Prates would be amazing to see, but I think Morales vs Prates next is more likely, especially if Usman is moving up.

idk im just not as impressed with gary as other people. hes clearly very good but his process for winning fights always leads to very close fights where hes scraping decisions. his cardio over 5 rounds at a high pace isnt as good as jdm, his attritional work isnt as good as jdm by a long shot, and frankly he gets put to the fence too much and uses alot of tall man defense that leads to him eating big shots he shouldnt. i think he gets ground down over 5 rounds against jdm and put to the fence too much. probably wins a round, maybe 2 but i see him losing a decision. his biggest weapon against jdm is the body kick which jdm just kinda eats

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

I have my doubts as well. He's had too many close fights with lower to mid level competition like Holland and Hafez. He was losing to Burns till end of round 3 when he managed to get the finish. Belal is really the only high level impressive win he's got. I don't think he does very well vs the other top WWs

i wouldnt call the hafez fight or holland fight close and if you watch whos doing all the good work on the feet jdm was beating burns imo. way too many times where he cracks burns and runs him back because burn stiffens up and retreats

 

[chinarice]

if you think he barely beat holland you need to get your eyes checked

If you think that fight wasn't very close then I don't know what to tell you, fella. I'd say you may be the one that needs your eyes checked.

 

[chinarice]

idk im just not as impressed with gary as other people. hes clearly very good but his process for winning fights always leads to very close fights where hes scraping decisions. his cardio over 5 rounds at a high pace isnt as good as jdm, his attritional work isnt as good as jdm by a long shot, and frankly he gets put to the fence too much and uses alot of tall man defense that leads to him eating big shots he shouldnt. i think he gets ground down over 5 rounds against jdm and put to the fence too much. probably wins a round, maybe 2 but i see him losing a decision. his biggest weapon against jdm is the body kick which jdm just kinda eats

Garry looks better than JDM to me.

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

If you think that fight wasn't very close then I don't know what to tell you, fella. I'd say you may be the one that needs your eyes checked.

jdm is literally doing all the good meaningful work and eating holland up with combinations against the fence

 

[ClinchmasterEdwards93291]

Garry looks better than JDM to me.

agree to disagree.

 

[chinarice]

jdm is literally doing all the good meaningful work and eating holland up with combinations against the fence

Holland outlanded JDM in 2 of the 3 rounds and they were even the other 1. Seemed pretty even to me. He may have squeaked out the decision but the fight was very close. No doubt about it.