Where do you rank Mir and Lesnar amongst Heavyweights?

[TR1]

You can gargle Brock's balls all you want, the guy got his ass beat in 50% of the fights he was in, and doesn't even have 10 wins.

Stipe being S-tier is a joke. His competition was Ngannu and a bunch of guys with vastly more mileage/age/fights than him. Most overrated streak in the history of the sport.

 

[GSP_37]

I rank Mir above Lesnar even though Lesnar wrecked him in the rematch. Mir may have a better resume with better opponents.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

You can gargle Brock's balls all you want, the guy got his ass beat in 50% of the fights he was in, and doesn't even have 10 wins.

The guy fought Cain, prime K1 GP winning horsemeat Ubereem, Carwin, Mir x2, Randy, Hunt and Herring in a 9 fight pro career. They tried to put him against JDS and DC too.

You cant compare his career to the average MMA fighter. He was thrown in at the deep end almost immediately.

 

[pamirec]

Lol Herring was washed up and never won another meaningful fight again

Randy was 45 years old and never won another meaningful fight again

Carwin lol never won another meaningful fight again

Hunt was washed up AF

DC beat peak Barnett who was 9-1 in his last 10 with the one loss being to Nog

Bigfoot was coming off a win over Fedor and went to the UFC after to beat Reem when he was the closest to his Ubereem form and then BF fought for a title.

Knocked out Prime Stipe in round 1.

Beat Lewis and Lewis went on to beat Volkov and Blades.


You sound like a Brock fanboy. Not surprising considering you've been an absolute chump when it comes to every other topic of discussion on this forum.

DC’s wins look really good. Dude was an underdog against Bigfoot, Barnett and Stipe 1.

 

[BFoe]

Mir is top 10 or very close to it. Lesnar a bit lower, def top 20, maybe top 15.

 

[BFoe]

Mir should be ranked higher than Nog or at least the same.

Lesnar is ranked lower even though he can beat both men.

LOL, how? Big Nog had such a stronger career overall. It’s not really comparable.

The only argument is he beat him 2x which doesn’t even hold up cause there is more to it than head to head. We gonna place Hellman over Hughes? Or Bigfoot over Fedor?

Yeah, I don’t see ranking Mir higher than Nog. The only debate when it comes to ranking Nog is whether he should be #2 all time or #3. His body of work is insane.

 

[NoSmilez]

Yeah, I don’t see ranking Mir higher than Nog. The only debate when it comes to ranking Nog is whether he should be #2 all time or #3. His body of work is insane.

I am ranking them as the same level of fighter. You can't tell me that Mir was a lesser fighter than Nog. These two men were more or less from the same generation of fighters.

 

[JKS]

Yeah, I don’t see ranking Mir higher than Nog. The only debate when it comes to ranking Nog is whether he should be #2 all time or #3. His body of work is insane.

I had Nog at #2 for like a decade, but now I have put Stipe in that spot.

 

[BFoe]

I had Nog at #2 for like a decade, but now I have put Stipe in that spot.

Same. But the more time passes, the more I question it. If somebody had that reversed, I don’t think I’d have a problem with it.

 

[JKS]

Same. But the more time passes, the more I question it. If somebody had that reversed, I don’t think I’d have a problem with it.

The main reason I put Stipe at #2 is about relevance and being the clear #1 HW of the 2010s decade. I think looking at where the sport is now, UFC is clearly the top promotion as it has the last 17 years. Their titles and system of consistent title defenses is most relevant in the sport and what establishes goats. So think it makes sense to have a fighter who represents that. I think that what Stipe has done is must more in line with what he define as greatness today. As opposed to the 2000s which was about winning streaks, multiple promotions, etc.

And he is the best IMO of that decade, he pretty much beat every top HW aside Cain.

 

[TheBulge]

TS doesn't even Mention JDS in any of the tiers which is disrespectful, which he probably didn't intend to do.

The man is being forgotten even though he has easily one of the very best resumes ever @ HW. He just had a very bad downfall and fought on for too long past his prime.

 

[HavokHarmon]

You don't think so? There are only 20 UFC HW champs. I think I would put Lesnar over guys like Sylvia or Arlovski.

The criteria is always going to be subjective and for the short time Lesnar was active he was incredibly impressive. In my opinion body of work is more than just your best wins. We have to consider how long and in what capacity guys have been active.

Taking Arlovski as a comparative example, Lesnar fought 8 times going 5-3 over the course of 4 years. He returned several years later to compete in a bout that was judged a no contest and did not compete again. Arlovski competed 60 times going 34-24-2 over the course of 25 years.

Not saying longevity is all of it but when the gulf is that big it’s hard for me to put a guy in Lesnars position over Arlovski.

 

[Local Plata]

Top 20 all time probably

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

I had Nog at #2 for like a decade, but now I have put Stipe in that spot.

Nog still ahead of Stipe for me. Nog beat great HWs in their prime.

 

[JKS]

Nog still ahead of Stipe for me. Nog beat great HWs in their prime.

He did beat some great HW's in their prime, I wouldn't say many. He did beat many top ones, ranked level fighters. Stipe beat some top HW's on top of their game and prime as well. Some want to make the argument that some of Stipe's competition was older, while that may be the case. They were still title fights in the UFC, so even those guys were still on top of their game and elite level wins. Big Nog had the same type of wins too, Randy and Tim weren't exaclty prime fighters and young and those are some of his best wins.

I am looking at it beyond just wins but importance of those wins and also the relevance of the era he fought in.

 

[JKS]

I am ranking them as the same level of fighter. You can't tell me that Mir was a lesser fighter than Nog. These two men were more or less from the same generation of fighters.

Level of fighter they aren't too far apart, I still think Nog is better. But you can't really base a goat ranking off that, it's more about accomplishments.

 

[JKS]

TS doesn't even Mention JDS in any of the tiers which is disrespectful, which he probably didn't intend to do.

The man is being forgotten even though he has easily one of the very best resumes ever @ HW. He just had a very bad downfall and fought on for too long past his prime.

JDS is a no question top 5 HW in my opinion in the rankings. You got Fedor, Stipe, Big Nog as a pretty solid top 3. And then I would have Werdum and JDS.

 

[MillingMeSoftly]

Below tim sylvia lol

 

[MillingMeSoftly]

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

He did beat some great HW's in their prime, I wouldn't say many. He did beat many top ones, ranked level fighters. Stipe beat some top HW's on top of their game and prime as well. Some want to make the argument that some of Stipe's competition was older, while that may be the case. They were still title fights in the UFC, so even those guys were still on top of their game and elite level wins. Big Nog had the same type of wins too, Randy and Tim weren't exaclty prime fighters and young and those are some of his best wins.

I am looking at it beyond just wins but importance of those wins and also the relevance of the era he fought in.

First of all I hespect of Stipe. He's a top 5-6 HW of all time depending on the criteria which is a remarkable feat. I hespect of heem.

With that said I personally value Nog beating Werdum, Mirko, Barnett, Sergei, Herring 2x in their 20s over Stipe crushing old and washed up legends.

When Nog beat Sylvia, Tim was 32 years old and he was on the older side of Nogs opponents.

Meanwhile Stipe's best wins are 39 year old Werdum, 40 year old DC and green Ngannou who lost to Derrick Lewis in his very next fight.

Then he beat guys like 37 year old AA, washed up CTE JDS, 37 year old Reem who had been KOd in the UFC 3x already and like 16 times in his career.

Don't get me wrong these are decent wins but these wins are vastly over inflated by how they look on paper in comparison to their real world value based on WHEN he beat these guys.

As far as I'm concerned Stipe can't be ahead of Fedor, Nog, Werdum or DC.

I could also see how someone would put JDS ahead of Stipe too because IMO beating prime Cain and a much younger Werdum is better than Stipes best wins.

But if someone put Stipe ahead of JDS all time I could accept that.