Where do you rank Mir and Lesnar amongst Heavyweights?

[Ludwig von Mises]

AA grappling is several tiers below Randy who is a three-time Olympic team alternate with Greco-Roman wrestling these two are night and day difference with grappling the gap is massive. AA will not be stopping Brock TD enough to keep the fight standing and hurt Brock on the feet. Prime Brock beats AA 8 out of 10 times.

Lol stop with the delusions. AA has been submitted 3x in 60 pro fights. Randy has been submitted 3x in 30 pro fights and got submitted by guys like Illykhin,Valentin Overeem and Enson.

Arlovksi got submitted by Barnett cleanly, by Aspinall after getting badly rocked and by Lima after getting badly rocked super late into his career. This "massive grappling gap" you speak of exists only in your head.

Prime Arlovski wasn't a worse grappler than 45 year old man Randy who had a 60lb weight disadvantage and still managed to get back to his feet after Brock took him down. I don't see why Arlovski in his 20s and in his prime couldn't do the same.

Peak AA was 6'4 240lbs and was much more athletic than that old ass version of Randy. Brock wouldnt be able to hold him down without getting tired. AA survived under prime Bigfoot with no problem. Brock wouldnt do much damage to him on the ground at all.

I'd pick prime AA to beat Brock 8 out of 10 times.

 

[KO Shotz]

Both top 15.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Mir somewhere near the bottom of the top 10. Blocks hard to rank cause of his strange careerr

 

[Sweater of AV]

Top 15 is about right.

I rank Mir tapping to strikes after talking shit and Bork barrel rolling straight into a Cain combo quite highly on the comedy list. Frank working on the intricacies of details of maneuvers Bork has never heard of is up there as well.

 

[arcadeperfect]

He beat Werdum who beat Cain so the "winning head to head doesn't necessarily make someone the better fighter overall" argument could be applied to JDS vs Cain, JDS can also be argued to have a better resume.

This is a good example of that. Cain got unlucky with his injuries, which resulted in him not facing any other matchups other than JDS and Bigfoot during his prime. JDS managed to face every top HW from multiple generations and as a result should have the better resume despite the 2 losses in the H2H matchup.

I disagree. I think he'd have a hard time taking prime AA down and holding him down. Brock couldn't even hold down a 45 year old Randy.



Young AA would stop most of his takedowns and get back up from those he doesn't stop and one overhand and upper cut from AA and Brock would be in fetal position waiting for the ref to save him.

Jesus that's crazy. Randy literally just "standing up."

 

[Shamrockftw]

You don't think so? There are only 20 UFC HW champs. I think I would put Lesnar over guys like Sylvia or Arlovski.

what in the bollywood is this crazy take?!

 

[Shamrockftw]

Fedor
Big Nog
Arlovski
Sylvia
Werdum
Mir
Miocic
Cormier
Nganaou
Cain

That's my 10, in no patricular order ofcourse

Lesnar would be in the top 20 for sure.

 

[Shamrockftw]

a prime Arlovski knocks out Lesnar by the way. his takedown defence was amazing + Lesnar shits the bed when hit in the face

 

[filthybliss]

a prime Arlovski knocks out Lesnar by the way. his takedown defence was amazing + Lesnar shits the bed when hit in the face

Ubereem and Cain would of swept the floor with Prime Arlovski too. I don't think getting KOed by them really blemishes Brock's chin imo

 

[Shamrockftw]

Ubereem and Cain would of swept the floor with Prime Arlovski too. I don't think getting KOed by them really blemishes Brock's chin imo

Arlovski stuffs all of Cain's takedowns and knocks him out cold.