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This might blow your simple little mind, but it is in fact possible to communicate with deaf people without tackling and choking them. I've seen it done myself. It's possible.
When someone taps - YOU LET GO (vid)
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This might blow your simple little mind, but it is in fact possible to communicate with deaf people without tackling and choking them. I've seen it done myself. It's possible.
However, it appears that it is impossible to communicate with idiots. Show me the tackle, Einstein.
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Stick a sock in it, Jar-Jar.
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It's called the 4th Amendment, genius. Bother reading it some time. It trumps some gorilla at the mall.
Seriously, dude? You think detaining a shoplifting suspect is unconstitutional? A person can use reasonable force to make an arrest. It's perfectly legal and constitutional. The only question is whether the force used is reasonable or not.
iluvwhitecastle
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all the people trying to defend the guards just stop trying to be against everyone else just to be different. stop and use some logic. the guard was clearly bigger a lot bigger, and could have used extremely minimal force to control the much weaker deaf guy on the bottom. he was ignorant and just wanted to be the big man in control. If the second guard had just stopped and analyzed the situation (which im clearly asking too much for) all of this nonsense would have been avoided.
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Did you miss the person who posted the California rule book regarding what security guards can and can't do? It specifically said you CAN NOT use ANY force unless it is in SELF DEFENSE. There is no way in hell that guard can claim self defense.
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What's up Paul Blart. Mall cops can't pull Batmans. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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You're blowing this as much out of proportion as the mall cop.
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WTF is with the idiots talking about 'not resisting' security guards. They're not cops, they're just employees for a company. They have the right to force you to leave, not force you to stay, unless its a felony serious enough to be considered a citizens arrest maybe.
And you most definitely have the right to defend yourself from one, just like they can defend themselves from you.
I swear if a security guard tried something like that on a friend of mine. Holy shit.
And you most definitely have the right to defend yourself from one, just like they can defend themselves from you.
I swear if a security guard tried something like that on a friend of mine. Holy shit.
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There is your answer Jar man.
Why would you "detain" a guy walking away, not running, WALKING? Thats the 1st question, 2nd they are not ALLOWED to use force unless they are trying to protect themselves.
Finally what ever happened to walking up to the guy and ASKING him if had the receipt?
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Seriously I don't understand why he couldn't have ran up to them and just grabbed him by the arm/shoulder.
To conclude: this video makes me sick and I hope those guys lose their jobs, careers (if you can call it that) and get sued to shit.
Ninjamurf, you are a tool, you know nothing about security and, worse, have very little in the way of common sense. I struggle to believe you're even watching the same video as everyone else.
I don't doubt it was a difficult situation but there's ways of going about handling said situations and nothing in that video was correct, before you even get to the fact that security guards can't man-handle people.
Ninjamurf, you are a tool, you know nothing about security and, worse, have very little in the way of common sense. I struggle to believe you're even watching the same video as everyone else.
I don't doubt it was a difficult situation but there's ways of going about handling said situations and nothing in that video was correct, before you even get to the fact that security guards can't man-handle people.
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Just a tid bit of info. All of the mall cop shit is not as relevant in this as you are all saying.
You can't necessarily assume that this is just a "mall cop". For those of you who don't know, a lot of actual police officers work security jobs as second jobs. And what an off duty officer is allowed to do in criminal situations goes beyond what just a citizen or a normal security guard may do.
Hey I hate security guards as much as the next guy, I used to be a skateboarder in high school. But something doesn't strike me as this just being a regular security officer.
Plus when the guys show up in the BID Patrol uniforms, those are private security firm officers who are made up of off duty and retired police. So I am sure that the LAPD is aware of the situation.
And the sad part about it is, BID Patrol was created because of the rampant out of control crime and theft that was being committed against business owners in the Hollywood entertainment area. Perhaps if the world hadn't turned to such shit already, these guys wouldn't be so much on edge when something minor happens and they overreact and it turns into this.
It's an ugly situation regardless, I just wish everyone would reserve judgment until all the facts come out.
You can't necessarily assume that this is just a "mall cop". For those of you who don't know, a lot of actual police officers work security jobs as second jobs. And what an off duty officer is allowed to do in criminal situations goes beyond what just a citizen or a normal security guard may do.
Hey I hate security guards as much as the next guy, I used to be a skateboarder in high school. But something doesn't strike me as this just being a regular security officer.
Plus when the guys show up in the BID Patrol uniforms, those are private security firm officers who are made up of off duty and retired police. So I am sure that the LAPD is aware of the situation.
And the sad part about it is, BID Patrol was created because of the rampant out of control crime and theft that was being committed against business owners in the Hollywood entertainment area. Perhaps if the world hadn't turned to such shit already, these guys wouldn't be so much on edge when something minor happens and they overreact and it turns into this.
It's an ugly situation regardless, I just wish everyone would reserve judgment until all the facts come out.
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i got fucking goosebumps from anger.
this is COMPLETELY FUCKED.
this is COMPLETELY FUCKED.
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I used to work loss prevention (and have a bachelors in security systems) and that is crazyyyyyyyyy illegal!!
That lawsuit is worth millions!
FYI- if u are ever stopped by security (and u did NOT steal anything) simply ask them "Are you detaining me?" if they say Yes, say OK and go with them. They are not allowed to unlawfully detain you. That lawsuit typically is worth $10K. So something like THIS VIDEO is literally worth millions (assuming he didnt steal anything)
Its assault based on illegal detention! BIG MONEY! Believe it or not.
Compaines have the right to protect their merchandise but they have NOOOOO right to detain people who have NOT stolen their merchandise. That is no differnet than you grabbing someone on the street, handcuffing them and calling the cops for no reason. They arent above the law bc you were shopping in their store. Technically its kidnapping but not looked at as such. So trust me, if u are ever stopped...act like a smug asshole who stole something and ask them if they are detaining you. Then call a lawyer, but they will settle immediately for $5K. Trust me, bc they know a judge will give you $10K.
To convict a person for shoplifting you need;
1. to see them enter the department without the merchandise
2. to see them conseal the item
3. see them pass the point of sale with the item (without paying for it)
If they put something in their bag (even on camera) and then drop it without security seeing they dropped it, and they stop you.....LAWSUIT!!
That lawsuit is worth millions!
FYI- if u are ever stopped by security (and u did NOT steal anything) simply ask them "Are you detaining me?" if they say Yes, say OK and go with them. They are not allowed to unlawfully detain you. That lawsuit typically is worth $10K. So something like THIS VIDEO is literally worth millions (assuming he didnt steal anything)
Its assault based on illegal detention! BIG MONEY! Believe it or not.
Compaines have the right to protect their merchandise but they have NOOOOO right to detain people who have NOT stolen their merchandise. That is no differnet than you grabbing someone on the street, handcuffing them and calling the cops for no reason. They arent above the law bc you were shopping in their store. Technically its kidnapping but not looked at as such. So trust me, if u are ever stopped...act like a smug asshole who stole something and ask them if they are detaining you. Then call a lawyer, but they will settle immediately for $5K. Trust me, bc they know a judge will give you $10K.
To convict a person for shoplifting you need;
1. to see them enter the department without the merchandise
2. to see them conseal the item
3. see them pass the point of sale with the item (without paying for it)
If they put something in their bag (even on camera) and then drop it without security seeing they dropped it, and they stop you.....LAWSUIT!!
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You are defining defending yourself and trying to get away from a threatening situation as violence. So now you have admitted that the deaf man was not trying to assault the security guard. So the security guard should understand that and change the tactic of detaining him. His friend is clearly trying to help him in a nonviolent way. Any question of not letting him go for fear of retribution with a weapon is also pointless. The guard never controlled the deaf man's hands. If he had a weapon he could have reached for it at any time during the altercation.
