Opinion What's the deal with layman(s) questioning the credentials and scientific ability of actual experts?

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I can imagine with AI's advancements you will be hearing a lot more along these lines in the future. From what I've been seeing it does make me wonder if the age of experts is coming to an end, to be replaced by AI computers. Of late I've been seeing lawyer expert work quickly being replaced by AI output. I can imagine other University degree learnings will see similar. Along these lines ~

Everyone is Cheating in College Because College is Worthless​

Academia dumbed itself down so much that AI can easily replace it.​


https://www.frontpagemag.com/everyone-is-cheating-in-college-because-college-is-worthless/


A good way to look at generative AI-produced text or art is that they’re low-quality limitations of the real thing made by machines to fool people. (Like the header here.) (Ditto for AI-generated research, which just consumes low-quality internet content and feeds back what people want it to tell them.) In other words, AI content is there to fool people and it works only to the extent that people are willing to be fooled by low-quality content.

So what does that say about the problem of AI cheating in school?

Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College: ChatGPT has unraveled the entire academic project. – New York Magazine

In January 2023, just two months after OpenAI launched ChatGPT, a survey of 1,000 college students found that nearly 90 percent of them had used the chatbot to help with homework assignments. In its first year of existence, ChatGPT’s total monthly visits steadily increased month-over-month until June, when schools let out for the summer. (That wasn’t an anomaly: Traffic dipped again over the summer in 2024.) Professors and teaching assistants increasingly found themselves staring at essays filled with clunky, robotic phrasing that, though grammatically flawless, didn’t sound quite like a college student — or even a human.

Two and a half years later, students at large state schools, the Ivies, liberal-arts schools in New England, universities abroad, professional schools, and community colleges are relying on AI to ease their way through every facet of their education. Generative-AI chatbots — ChatGPT but also Google’s Gemini, Anthropic’s Claude, Microsoft’s Copilot, and others — take their notes during class, devise their study guides and practice tests, summarize novels and textbooks, and brainstorm, outline, and draft their essays. STEM students are using AI to automate their research and data analyses and to sail through dense coding and debugging assignments. “College is just how well I can use ChatGPT at this point,” a student in Utah recently captioned a video of herself copy-and-pasting a chapter from her Genocide and Mass Atrocity textbook into ChatGPT.

Sarah, a freshman at Wilfrid Laurier University in Ontario, said she first used ChatGPT to cheat during the spring semester of her final year of high school. (Sarah’s name, like those of other current students in this article, has been changed for privacy.) After getting acquainted with the chatbot, Sarah used it for all her classes: Indigenous studies, law, English, and a “hippie farming class” called Green Industries. “My grades were amazing,” she said. “It changed my life.” Sarah continued to use AI when she started college this past fall. Why wouldn’t she? Rarely did she sit in class and not see other students’ laptops open to ChatGPT. Toward the end of the semester, she began to think she might be dependent on the website.
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There’s plenty more like that, but you get the idea. Some of it is probably exaggerated, but much of it is also true. Students routinely rely on AI. They think less and just use a series of AI tools to move through the process. This makes grades increasingly worthless, but let’s face it, much of what they were tasked with doing was worthless.

Assigning AI to take on “Indigenous studies, law, English, and a ‘hippie farming class'” is only so much of a loss. Academia, even before it went fully woke, was based heavily on an automation of knowledge rather than on genuine learning or engagement with the material. Wokeness just finished the job by turning every class into an exercise in Marxism-Leninism where the goal was to repeat dogma in exactly the right terms while adding a dose of ‘personal insight’ into the mix. AI can automate the process better than any human being can.

AI-generated content fools people who expect low-quality repetition of what they want. That’s what academia has become. None of this prepares the students doing this for careers doing anything meaningful or having the skills to solve any problems that AI can’t solve for them, but how many college-level jobs expect that anyway?

Academia dumbed itself down so much that AI can easily replace it.
 
Beechwood said:
I can imagine with AI's advancements you will be hearing a lot more along these lines in the future. From what I've been seeing it does make me wonder if the age of experts is coming to an end, to be replaced by AI computers. Of late I've been seeing lawyer expert work quickly being replaced by AI output. I can imagine other University degree learnings will see similar. Along these lines ~

Everyone is Cheating in College Because College is Worthless​

Academia dumbed itself down so much that AI can easily replace it.​


https://www.frontpagemag.com/everyone-is-cheating-in-college-because-college-is-worthless/


A good way to look at generative AI-produced text or art is that they’re low-quality limitations of the real thing made by machines to fool people. (Like the header here.) (Ditto for AI-generated research, which just consumes low-quality internet content and feeds back what people want it to tell them.) In other words, AI content is there to fool people and it works only to the extent that people are willing to be fooled by low-quality content.

So what does that say about the problem of AI cheating in school?

Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College: ChatGPT has unraveled the entire academic project. – New York Magazine


There’s plenty more like that, but you get the idea. Some of it is probably exaggerated, but much of it is also true. Students routinely rely on AI. They think less and just use a series of AI tools to move through the process. This makes grades increasingly worthless, but let’s face it, much of what they were tasked with doing was worthless.

Assigning AI to take on “Indigenous studies, law, English, and a ‘hippie farming class'” is only so much of a loss. Academia, even before it went fully woke, was based heavily on an automation of knowledge rather than on genuine learning or engagement with the material. Wokeness just finished the job by turning every class into an exercise in Marxism-Leninism where the goal was to repeat dogma in exactly the right terms while adding a dose of ‘personal insight’ into the mix. AI can automate the process better than any human being can.

AI-generated content fools people who expect low-quality repetition of what they want. That’s what academia has become. None of this prepares the students doing this for careers doing anything meaningful or having the skills to solve any problems that AI can’t solve for them, but how many college-level jobs expect that anyway?

Academia dumbed itself down so much that AI can easily replace it.
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This is super interesting - I never predicted AI taking over like this - I do recall calling me eldest out on our spanish scores because I figured she was using google translate to do her work for her. This only galvanises my thoughts that my other kids need to stick to a trade.
 
An interesting study from MIT ; why conservatives dont believe science.

In addition to the obvious, its assessed that republican politicians (since Reagan) have influenced segments of the population to not believe science.

We can see that up this very thread.

A long read though-

From Anti-Government to Anti-Science: Why Conservatives Have Turned Against Science​

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direct.mit.edu

From Anti-Government to Anti-Science: Why Conservatives Have Turned Against Science

Abstract. Empirical data do not support the conclusion of a crisis of public trust in science. They do support the conclusion of a crisis of conservative trust in science: polls show that American attitudes toward science are highly polarized along political lines. In this essay, we argue that...
direct.mit.edu direct.mit.edu
 
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Neph said:
I mean this with respect; have you considered you may need some medication? Your behaviour is extremely erratic.
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What you're witnessing is a seasoned troll on dub dubs, who doesn't give a fuck.
 
ermac88 said:
An interesting study from MIT ; why conservatives dont believe science.

In addition the obvious, its assessed that republican politicians (since Reagan) have influenced segments of the population to not believe science.

We can see that up this very thread.

A long read though

From Anti-Government to Anti-Science: Why Conservatives Have Turned Against Science​

​

direct.mit.edu

From Anti-Government to Anti-Science: Why Conservatives Have Turned Against Science

Abstract. Empirical data do not support the conclusion of a crisis of public trust in science. They do support the conclusion of a crisis of conservative trust in science: polls show that American attitudes toward science are highly polarized along political lines. In this essay, we argue that...
direct.mit.edu direct.mit.edu
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@Cajun, here's your answer to reason for the extremely partisan nature of the anti-science/anit-vax attitude among conservatives.
 
Andy Capp said:
@Cajun, here's your answer to reason for the extremely partisan nature of the anti-science/anit-vax attitude among conservatives.
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@Cajun don't bother with that study. it's not even a study, it's an editorial about muh conservatives are bad. Andy here is excited about it because his IQ is around 85 and that's before he shits his pants, so most of the time it's lower than 85. You should never, ever, take science recommendations from this dipshit, and i'm being very serious. there's not one "muh conservatives bad" post that he doesn't wag his tail at, like the pet of that Pavlov fella. he doesn't have synapses to spare for introspection or evaluation.
 
Scerpi said:
Fucking retarded... You still believing everything they're telling you?










This Asshole is still giving presentations on the National Stage for Climate Change. And worse, world leaders listen to him... lol

Yeah... I'm anti-science and education. I'm a Civil Engineer in Water Treatment. My career is strictly almost all a meritocracy. Can you do the job or not. Because it's immediately apparent when you lie about your abilities and what you can do. lol

However, I collide on the world where politics fuck up public projects. I see it all from the inside from the Government and Design side, including the incompetence and negligence of so called "experts". I know how to design and build these projects... that's all I care about. But that's not the real world.

I've about a jaded as you can get with politics, big corporations or anyone with agendas. I've seen massive fuck ups and how the news gets almost every detail wrong.

Dunnig Kreger is right. You're fucking clueless... as we all are. And the so called "experts" are likely clueless or worse, compromised, for an agenda. If they can lie about one topic, they're definitely lying about other topics. Why wouldn't they? And why would you believe anything "they" say.

And you're dumb as fuck if you take anyone's statement of "Fact" on face value. In one of the biggest government fiascos of human history, Fauci fucking lied several times. Why? To protect his ass and his associates.

Lockdowns? Face mask? 6' social distancing... Social Distancing. Are you fucking kidding. A term they grabbed out of their ass and shoved down your throat. The set back US Children several years over their incomptence.

Who are you supposed to trust now? CNN? MSNBC? Fox? Are you fucking kidding?

We just watching the Biden Admin literally lie about everything from the border to the economy for 4 years. Including Biden's health and mental competency.

lol...
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Don't forget the experts that knew Iraq had WMDs. And the experts who warned the Domino Theory
 
Fox by the Sea said:
@Cajun don't bother with that study. it's not even a study, it's an editorial about muh conservatives are bad. Andy here is excited about it because his IQ is around 85 and that's before he shits his pants, so most of the time it's lower than 85. You should never, ever, take science recommendations from this dipshit, and i'm being very serious. there's not one "muh conservatives bad" post that he doesn't wag his tail at, like the pet of that Pavlov fella. he doesn't have synapses to spare for introspection or evaluation.
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Ah man. You know me. I'm always up for a good back and forth. Andy's alright... well... apart from being Canadian. He can't help he was born in 3rd world tho.
 
Cajun said:
Will give it a read and report back. Thanks.
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I admit to confirmation bias on this topic, but I still have to say it makes a very convincing aregument. As you read, I suggest you bear in mind the humoungous reach of conservative talk radio.

Edit: and I wrote this post before I chose to "show ignored content", FTR.
 
Andy Capp said:
I admit to confirmation bias on this topic, but I still have to say it makes a very convincing aregument. As you read, I suggest you bear in mind the humoungous reach of conservative talk radio.
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Will do. Cheers.
 
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