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What's Ngannou's strategy gonna be?

avoid the standup. keep distance and go to the body and avoid headhunting. try to get Gane to the cage and use the wrestling and cardio to wear him out. go for the sub if its there.

lol who are we kidding. this is the strategy:

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Imagine if Ngannou had great wrestling and just KO's people with GNP. Would be cool to see.
 
Gotta put you on the spot though - who you ultimately picking to win and why?
I kind of keep jumping back and forth. It’s really close to a pick ’em fight to me. If I have to choose I’d pick Ngannou. If I had to make a bet? Ngannou (inside the distance).

There’s a lot to take in even in this thread, a lot of good points being made. Gane is relatively green fighter as he doesn’t have too many fights as a pro (MMA, not sure about his kickboxing/MT fights but not a ton). He has a lot of minutes in the octagon, though. He’s proven he can go the distance even in a five rounder.

Has Ngannou gotten better in the last couple of years? He just smashes everyone and we don’t get to see his fights play out much. I expected him to finish Stipe early in their rematch and made some money with that one. That also gave me confidence in Ngannou; He looked better than before. He threw nice low kicks, (partially) landed a head kick and showed some good (counter-)wrestling.

Gane needs to fight a perfect fight here. He has all the tools and probably a good plan to get the real belt. Ngannou still is the more dangerous man. He doesn’t need to win the majority of the round, he really doesn’t need much to finish it. After a difficult round or two Ngannou will find Gane with his strikes and the ref will wave it off. So Ngannou will get it done before we get to the championship rounds!
 
He might be patient and look for his opportunities like against Stipe. But I feel if hes getring outclassed he will resort to blitzing. I dont think a technical fight will benefit him tho.
 
The style match-up is a fast and technical out-fighter against a powerful blitzing counter-striker. In a title fight I don't see either guy deciding now is the time to showcase "other" skills that aren't truly fully developed. It's likely going to be about using what got you there and despite both guys having some other skills they never stray far from their true approach to fighting. This is also HW where wrestling is almost non-existent and a dangerous game to play, where you can't just force scrambles or attack subs from bottom without incredible risk.

I just don't see wrestling playing much of a factor at all - Gane could barely take down Rozenstruick and had trouble keeping him down. He's at his core a kickboxer and not a wrestler at all; it was the last element he added to his game and wrestling at HW is a whole different beast (there is only one guy that does it consistently well at the highest level, Curtis Blaydes, who was a national champion wrestler in college). What good is feinting level changes if your opponent knows you have no intention of shooting or that if you did shoot you'd get sprawled on and be trapped under a massive killing machine?

Just because Ngannou is working with Xtreme Couture and Erick Nicksick doesn't mean he is turning him into a wrestler - when have you seen Ngannou wrestle in the UFC? He's literally never shot for a takedown in open space, he hit one counter takedown on Stipe after he sprawled on him and spun around to his back for a moment (and he just let Stipe stand-up so he could smack him with hooks when he wasn't looking). Ngannou has built his entire game around overwhelming opponents with power shots while standing, why is he going to risk wasting a ton of energy to do something that isn't innate and doesn't compliment actually his game?

At most I could see Gane frustrating Ngannou with movement and set-ups from the outside and then using a reactive double if Ngannou over-extends on a blitz, but I still doubt that - it's just not in his fight nature from what we've seen, he will clinch or look to reset by moving away if you collapse the pocket rapidly on him. Being "willing" to take the fight anywhere is a dangerous gambit against the wrong opponent - when you are faster with your hands/feet, have better set-ups, more diverse attacks, ability to throw in combination and blend offense and defense it would seem pointless to try and prove you are capable of wrestling/grappling with Ngannou when you aren't a wrestler/grappler by background or nature.

In the clinch Gane will probably use it as a tactical reset position when he's can't use lateral movement or some type of duck-under to escape the pressure. Against Lewis he was very fast to hand-fight, circle and separate whenever this happened. Lewis was able to sloppily pressure him into the cage a couple times and Gane always either clinched/hand-fought/circled off the cage or did a tactical reset by running away until later in the fight when he had Lewis practically broken and was willing to fight in close.

Maybe my mind will get blown though and we'll see a HW version of Jeremy Stephens vs. Anthony Pettis, when a fast out-fighter and a powerful counter-striker decided to see who could out-wrestle the other. But I have my extreme doubts about that.



I think people doubt Gane's power because he doesn't sit down on his shots a lot, but the dude is lighting fast and actually does hit really hard. But he isn't willing to take one to give one until he thinks he has you broken/breaking down and will then press you and take chances like he did against Lewis or Volkov late. He's happy to just pepper away with shots and even though they don't look all that powerful his opponents clearly do not like it one bit. With Ngannou being so reckless at time with his blitzes Gane doesn't need to be throwing with huge power to hurt him, he just needs to bait the blitz and time the set-up. If Ngannou rushes forward throwing bombs and drops his left hand (like he frequently does) a quick right hook he never sees coming could certainly stumble him, if not set him on his ass.

Gane's style doesn't allow him to be a one-hitter quitter type, but if he builds up the attritional damage to the legs/body and starts walking Ngannou into heavy counters I would not be shocked to see him hurt Ngannou with a strike he doesn't see. Stipe landed a huge power shot on Ngannou right before getting put down simply because Ngannou doesn't have great defense when pressuring or blitzing. Gane can possibly land similar shots without going crazy and looking to finish immediately.

I think Gane has to do this ultimately, if he doesn't get respect from Ngannou when he does attempt his blitzes by timing him with counters he is going to eventually get stuck against the cage, which is not where you want to be against Ngannou. If there is one guy who can fight as a technical out-fighter at HW it's Gane, but Ngannou might be the one guy you can't do that against because it gives him too many opportunities to counter you or trap you against the cage.



Appreciate the shine buddy - definitely not the best! There are a ton of incredibly knowledgeable fight fans on this forum and if it wasn't for their incessant posting and love of the sport I wouldn't be as motivated to watch and analyze fights as I am.

Gotta put you on the spot though - who you ultimately picking to win and why?
Well done. I agree with everything
 
He will try to stalk him and cut off the cage while being mindful of range. Then when he senses a slip up he'll try to pounce like a tiger and blitz.
 
Naganu's best option is to go balls to walls like he did against Rozenstruck.

He fought patiently against Stipe but he was breathing out his mouth in the middle of the first round and even during the second round. He can't keep that up for 5 rounds.
 
They both gonna counter strike and throw a combined 50 strikes with 5 landing in 25 minutes and it ends in a horrific DQ.

You're welcome.
 
Ngannou is a good counter striker so yeah expect a KO counter

Still got Gane winning
 
It's already pretty much what he did vs Stipe, he doesn't need to go at a crazy volume. Explode at the right time, don't prolong the effort, recover, repeat.

The way ciryl moves would make that difficult imo, we ll see anyway, not much to wait now
 
Ngannou has proven durability and unbelievable power. Won't he just walk forward and eventually hope to connect?
 
Big Frank may have a hard time. If your coaching Gane your telling him to keep distance for 2 rnds and download info and make him miss. I imagine about a 2 rnd snoozer and then someone either getting tired or hurt. 50/50 and i cant pick. Slight edge to Ngannou with the Nuclear option
 
Judging from his training videos. It's going to be mainly boxing.
 
The style match-up is a fast and technical out-fighter against a powerful blitzing counter-striker. In a title fight I don't see either guy deciding now is the time to showcase "other" skills that aren't truly fully developed. It's likely going to be about using what got you there and despite both guys having some other skills they never stray far from their true approach to fighting. This is also HW where wrestling is almost non-existent and a dangerous game to play, where you can't just force scrambles or attack subs from bottom without incredible risk.

I just don't see wrestling playing much of a factor at all - Gane could barely take down Rozenstruick and had trouble keeping him down. He's at his core a kickboxer and not a wrestler at all; it was the last element he added to his game and wrestling at HW is a whole different beast (there is only one guy that does it consistently well at the highest level, Curtis Blaydes, who was a national champion wrestler in college). What good is feinting level changes if your opponent knows you have no intention of shooting or that if you did shoot you'd get sprawled on and be trapped under a massive killing machine?

Just because Ngannou is working with Xtreme Couture and Erick Nicksick doesn't mean he is turning him into a wrestler - when have you seen Ngannou wrestle in the UFC? He's literally never shot for a takedown in open space, he hit one counter takedown on Stipe after he sprawled on him and spun around to his back for a moment (and he just let Stipe stand-up so he could smack him with hooks when he wasn't looking). Ngannou has built his entire game around overwhelming opponents with power shots while standing, why is he going to risk wasting a ton of energy to do something that isn't innate and doesn't compliment actually his game?

At most I could see Gane frustrating Ngannou with movement and set-ups from the outside and then using a reactive double if Ngannou over-extends on a blitz, but I still doubt that - it's just not in his fight nature from what we've seen, he will clinch or look to reset by moving away if you collapse the pocket rapidly on him. Being "willing" to take the fight anywhere is a dangerous gambit against the wrong opponent - when you are faster with your hands/feet, have better set-ups, more diverse attacks, ability to throw in combination and blend offense and defense it would seem pointless to try and prove you are capable of wrestling/grappling with Ngannou when you aren't a wrestler/grappler by background or nature.

In the clinch Gane will probably use it as a tactical reset position when he's can't use lateral movement or some type of duck-under to escape the pressure. Against Lewis he was very fast to hand-fight, circle and separate whenever this happened. Lewis was able to sloppily pressure him into the cage a couple times and Gane always either clinched/hand-fought/circled off the cage or did a tactical reset by running away until later in the fight when he had Lewis practically broken and was willing to fight in close.

Maybe my mind will get blown though and we'll see a HW version of Jeremy Stephens vs. Anthony Pettis, when a fast out-fighter and a powerful counter-striker decided to see who could out-wrestle the other. But I have my extreme doubts about that.



I think people doubt Gane's power because he doesn't sit down on his shots a lot, but the dude is lighting fast and actually does hit really hard. But he isn't willing to take one to give one until he thinks he has you broken/breaking down and will then press you and take chances like he did against Lewis or Volkov late. He's happy to just pepper away with shots and even though they don't look all that powerful his opponents clearly do not like it one bit. With Ngannou being so reckless at time with his blitzes Gane doesn't need to be throwing with huge power to hurt him, he just needs to bait the blitz and time the set-up. If Ngannou rushes forward throwing bombs and drops his left hand (like he frequently does) a quick right hook he never sees coming could certainly stumble him, if not set him on his ass.

Gane's style doesn't allow him to be a one-hitter quitter type, but if he builds up the attritional damage to the legs/body and starts walking Ngannou into heavy counters I would not be shocked to see him hurt Ngannou with a strike he doesn't see. Stipe landed a huge power shot on Ngannou right before getting put down simply because Ngannou doesn't have great defense when pressuring or blitzing. Gane can possibly land similar shots without going crazy and looking to finish immediately.

I think Gane has to do this ultimately, if he doesn't get respect from Ngannou when he does attempt his blitzes by timing him with counters he is going to eventually get stuck against the cage, which is not where you want to be against Ngannou. If there is one guy who can fight as a technical out-fighter at HW it's Gane, but Ngannou might be the one guy you can't do that against because it gives him too many opportunities to counter you or trap you against the cage.



Appreciate the shine buddy - definitely not the best! There are a ton of incredibly knowledgeable fight fans on this forum and if it wasn't for their incessant posting and love of the sport I wouldn't be as motivated to watch and analyze fights as I am.

Gotta put you on the spot though - who you ultimately picking to win and why?
That is a good analysis. I agree Gane would have nothing to win by grapling. But I do believe Ngannou needs wrestling on his gameplan. He the blitz doesnt work and he is getting outclassed, what else should he do? Sit there and get hit? He has no striking defense and he can't blitz for 5 rounds.
 
That is a good analysis. I agree Gane would have nothing to win by grapling. But I do believe Ngannou needs wrestling on his gameplan. He the blitz doesnt work and he is getting outclassed, what else should he do? Sit there and get hit? He has no striking defense and he can't blitz for 5 rounds.

I see what you are saying - if plan A (blitzing) isn't working, what's his plan B going to be? I just don't think wrestling is the way to deviate, unless it's maybe hitting a single-leg against the cage if can trap Gane there (which is going to be tough, Gane is going to be using a ton of lateral footwork and feints, especially early).

Ngannou probably has 2 rounds to successfully blitz Gane; he's by far at his most dangerous in the first half of the first round so I wouldn't be shocked to see Gane literally doing nothing early but feinting and trying to draw out power strikes that he can evade to drain Ngannou's energy. If he gets Ngannou tired he will probably feel better about taking angles and countering the blitzes, but early it's a very dangerous game to play. I see Gane trying to be a matador early and just trying to draw out blitzes and avoid them at all costs.

I think Ngannou should stick to what he is at his core - a dangerous blitz fighter that can overwhelm you in a moment if he can get you to make a mistake that involves exchanging power strikes with him in any scenario (pressuring him/open space/backing up/along the fence).

For that reason all of his plans (A/B/C/etc.) should resolve around blitzing, just in different approaches; counter-blitz (wait for a missed or weak strike when opponent is off-balance/out of position), feint-blitz (feint entries that get opponent to stop moving their feet or use jabs that turn into feint-jabs to hide the blitz), cage blitz (get them backed against the cage or get them to back you up to cage and press in too close),

There is always the psycho-blitz like against Rozenstruick (i.e. rush forward throwing power hooks in combination with no reads or set-up), but this is probably the worst approach possible against a technical out-fighter that is going to be wary of the pocket getting collapsed. If Ngannou does that it doesn't bode well, he needs to be in-control and not panicked so he picks the right moments to create chaos and doesn't waste energy.

Fighters like Gane (technical out-fighters) are all about controlling the terms of engagement with speed/footwork/strike variety, so they always feel they are somewhat safe and have multiple defensive options (slippping/pivoting/lateral movement/parries/shoulder roll/clinch) if the opponent tries to force an exchange of power shots on their terms. When you are fighting a high-level out-fighter you have to disrupt their rhythm, or they'll just float outside the edge of kicking range and wait for the right openings to snipe at you when you can't really respond. We've seen Gane fight enough to know he has no problem fighting a boring fight where he tags opponents with occasional quick single strikes before resetting.

The interesting thing to me is what Ngannou is going to use as fight tactics to implement the blitz strategy - does he counter-kick when kicked to limit movement? Is he able to effectively take and hold the center without getting pot-shotted? What type of reactions can he draw out of Gane with feints and can he use those to work inside? Can he find entries to work inside the clinch and actually control Gane briefly to separate and attack on his terms?

Gane is really far too good to just bum-rush; Ngannou is likely going to have to use feints and throwaway strikes to ultimately get in position to set-up a blitz that is unpredictable and can't be stifled by layered defensive reactions. Not going crazy early and not absorbing a ton of attritional leg kicks/body shots are probably essential to Ngannou's strategy, so it's fascinating to see how he's going to deal with such a unique fighter as Gane.
 
Ngannou is such a big finisher. He's probably going to explode all over Gane. Don't blink, it's going to be messy.
 
I see what you are saying - if plan A (blitzing) isn't working, what's his plan B going to be? I just don't think wrestling is the way to deviate, unless it's maybe hitting a single-leg against the cage if can trap Gane there (which is going to be tough, Gane is going to be using a ton of lateral footwork and feints, especially early).

Ngannou probably has 2 rounds to successfully blitz Gane; he's by far at his most dangerous in the first half of the first round so I wouldn't be shocked to see Gane literally doing nothing early but feinting and trying to draw out power strikes that he can evade to drain Ngannou's energy. If he gets Ngannou tired he will probably feel better about taking angles and countering the blitzes, but early it's a very dangerous game to play. I see Gane trying to be a matador early and just trying to draw out blitzes and avoid them at all costs.

I think Ngannou should stick to what he is at his core - a dangerous blitz fighter that can overwhelm you in a moment if he can get you to make a mistake that involves exchanging power strikes with him in any scenario (pressuring him/open space/backing up/along the fence).

For that reason all of his plans (A/B/C/etc.) should resolve around blitzing, just in different approaches; counter-blitz (wait for a missed or weak strike when opponent is off-balance/out of position), feint-blitz (feint entries that get opponent to stop moving their feet or use jabs that turn into feint-jabs to hide the blitz), cage blitz (get them backed against the cage or get them to back you up to cage and press in too close),

There is always the psycho-blitz like against Rozenstruick (i.e. rush forward throwing power hooks in combination with no reads or set-up), but this is probably the worst approach possible against a technical out-fighter that is going to be wary of the pocket getting collapsed. If Ngannou does that it doesn't bode well, he needs to be in-control and not panicked so he picks the right moments to create chaos and doesn't waste energy.

Fighters like Gane (technical out-fighters) are all about controlling the terms of engagement with speed/footwork/strike variety, so they always feel they are somewhat safe and have multiple defensive options (slippping/pivoting/lateral movement/parries/shoulder roll/clinch) if the opponent tries to force an exchange of power shots on their terms. When you are fighting a high-level out-fighter you have to disrupt their rhythm, or they'll just float outside the edge of kicking range and wait for the right openings to snipe at you when you can't really respond. We've seen Gane fight enough to know he has no problem fighting a boring fight where he tags opponents with occasional quick single strikes before resetting.

The interesting thing to me is what Ngannou is going to use as fight tactics to implement the blitz strategy - does he counter-kick when kicked to limit movement? Is he able to effectively take and hold the center without getting pot-shotted? What type of reactions can he draw out of Gane with feints and can he use those to work inside? Can he find entries to work inside the clinch and actually control Gane briefly to separate and attack on his terms?

Gane is really far too good to just bum-rush; Ngannou is likely going to have to use feints and throwaway strikes to ultimately get in position to set-up a blitz that is unpredictable and can't be stifled by layered defensive reactions. Not going crazy early and not absorbing a ton of attritional leg kicks/body shots are probably essential to Ngannou's strategy, so it's fascinating to see how he's going to deal with such a unique fighter as Gane.
I just don't think blitzing will work because of how good Gane's movement and clinch is. His wrestling wasnt tested, Ngannou is bigger and stronger and has been training mma for longer. If I was his manager I would include offensive wrestling heavily on this camp. But you are probably right and it won't happen.
 
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