What would/should happen if a fighter refuses to fight after a foul but is still physically able?

[koa pomaikai]

In light of the recent Paul Craig heel to Bellato controversy, let’s say Bellato wasn’t KOed, he got fouled and he basically goes, f this, I’m done I don’t fight cheating fighters and refuses to continue.

What should happen?

No contest? DQ loss from refusing to fight?

If the foul is ruled intentional, if you refuse to continue do you win?

I’m not talking about a Oscar situation, I’m talking about one where the fighter is fine and can continue and even admits so without acting, but refuses.

I’m sure the longer term consequences is that UFC is pissed and might cut you, but the fight result? What should happen?

There is a legitimate argument I think that a fighter can refuse to fight a cheater.

 

[Skarsgard]

Just call it a NC.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Tko retirement

 

[RockyLockridge]

tko (pussy ache)

 

[JBJ was here]

DQ timidity.

 

[Slapjit]

In slaps Bisping prolly call u a likkle bitch several taym but di DQ still stand cheaters dem neva prosper (unless u PVZ)

 

[Hog-train]

There's no way to prove someone is physically able.

 

[Evbo]

I don't really think it's set up that way.

Can you continue? Yes or No

The technology to tell if someone is experiencing being rocked/seeing funny doesn't exist, and you can't really accuse someone of lying in the ring then award the win to the other person

 

[cooks1]

Honestly, there should probably be more point deductions and DQ's in the UFC. Many times more. I think that many fouls are not inadvertent. They are intentional. Increasingly, fighters are making strategic risk analysis decisions about the chances of getting caught and the penalties if caught vs the potential benefit of the infraction. FAR more often than not, it pays to cheat. Often the result of the cheating can change the direction of the fight. But is is exceedingly rare for the penalty to change the direction of the fight.

For example, aA fighter that grabs the fence to avoid a takedown and gets a warning could well end up winning the round because of that choice.

Pena for example definitely upkicked Kayla on purpose. That could have definitely altered the outcome if it had landed differently.

I feel if it could be reasonably foreseen that the infraction could alter the result it should be a DQ.

 

[treelo]

no way to police this, fouls happen in all sports yet not all sports involve being punched/kicked in the head/face

it was an illegal kick, he should have been DQ'd for it, its a lot different than a punch/hammer to the back of the head IMO

maybe some of them are just in the wrong sport, it never seems to happen to the really top level guys, maybe its time for them to find something else to do

 

[Otto!]

Very hard call to make imo.

Unfortunately very few referees have the balls to make the right call, and end up giving multiple warnings. While there are accidental fouls, everyone knows that the first eyepoke, fence grab and groin shots are free.

 

[El Fernas]

No contest? DQ loss from refusing to fight?

If the foul is ruled intentional, if you refuse to continue do you win?

I’m not talking about a Oscar situation, I’m talking about one where the fighter is fine and can continue and even admits so without acting, but refuses.

Same thing you watched on saturday, or on the same line, minus the bad acting, Diego Sanchez vs Michel Pereira is the perfect example.

-Intentional foul: DQ

-Accidental foul: NC

-Accidental foul in R3 (R4 in 5 round fights): Scorecards.

Regarding the UFC side you are probably right, a fighter that quits isnt in the best terms with the UFC, i mean quit in the actual sense of the word, not "Bo Nickal quit against RDR".

 

[Hymen Crusher]

If its obvious cheating then if the fighter says they cant continue they should get a dq win. I get so sick of these guys cheating cheating then the fouled fighter gets booed if he is hurt. I dont ever feel bad for the cheater. Craig upkick was clearly illegal. That being said the other guy should get cut for his bullshit

 

[savemgs]

Tko retirement

this

 

[Chagaev]

The organization has the power to discourage these things by giving the quitters shitty matchups etc.

But in reality it's absolutely unfair that a fighter with blurred vision or scrambled testicles is expected to continue like nothing happened.

And I can see why some guys are milking fouls like this, if the alternative is just to continue at a disadvantage

 

[koa pomaikai]

There's no way to prove someone is physically able.

Well if they admit to it, like if the ref goes, are you able to continue and they say “yeah but I am refusing to fight someone who fouled me, I’m fine but f fighting that guy I’m done.”

Let’s just say the fighter is brutally honest.

 

[kingofthecans]

A fine like in Pride.

 

[El Fernas]

Well if they admit to it, like if the ref goes, are you able to continue and they say “yeah but I am refusing to fight someone who fouled me, I’m fine but f fighting that guy I’m done.”

Let’s just say the fighter is brutally honest.

Diego Sanchez sort of did that, he made sure the foul was going to be called intentional, then he quit, the foul he got was legit 100% tho, he got knee´d to the head and a big cut, it was in his rights to say he couldnt continue, or wouldnt, i would need to rewatch to check the actual words. Diego Sanchez vs Michel Pereira.

 

[Dr. Rose]

Honestly, there should probably be more point deductions and DQ's in the UFC. Many times more. I think that many fouls are not inadvertent. They are intentional. Increasingly, fighters are making strategic risk analysis decisions about the chances of getting caught and the penalties if caught vs the potential benefit of the infraction. FAR more often than not, it pays to cheat. Often the result of the cheating can change the direction of the fight. But is is exceedingly rare for the penalty to change the direction of the fight.

For example, aA fighter that grabs the fence to avoid a takedown and gets a warning could well end up winning the round because of that choice.

Pena for example definitely upkicked Kayla on purpose. That could have definitely altered the outcome if it had landed differently.

I feel if it could be reasonably foreseen that the infraction could alter the result it should be a DQ.

The fence grab might be the most notorious, but they are others that can ruin a fight or even ability to live a normal life, such as eye pokes. If they were actually enforced, JBJ might have 4-5 losses.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Jorge Rivera was told if he couldn't continue it was a tko after being illegally kneed by Bisping. Depends on the event, the fighters and the corrupt ref.