If more fighters do what Tom did, the UFC might actually crack down on fouls.

[SupremeGuy]

They should have switched to PRIDE gloves a long time ago.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Sounds like a great idea for us fans

 

[egk]

that was luque vs alvarez, from a few weeks ago. yeah that was a really weird one too, not only did luque call his own foul but then the ref admitted the mistake while still giving luque the five minutes to recover. it's a dangerous precedent to set and you'd hope the fighters would police it amongst themselves, similar to what the guys in hockey do with diving.

That was it. Thanks for reminding me. I've seen others like that though. Sometimes the ref misses an eye poke but it shouldn't be up to the fighters to call their own fouls.

 

[egk]

I mean... he got a knuckle in his eye, which probably feels exactly like a finger. How would he be expected to know the difference? All he knows is he was injured in the eye.

The point is fighters are trying to call their own fouls and it's not up to them. It's the ref's job.

 

[egk]

They should have switched to PRIDE gloves a long time ago.

They tried switching gloves. Dana says the fighters didnt like them so they switched back. Rountree says he was one of the testers for the new gloves and they wore them in the fight with Poatan. He claims the real reason they ditched them is the UFC Logo kept fraying off the leather hehehe

Khalil Rountree reveals real reason UFC abandoned new glove design

According to Khalil Rountree, the UFC had a practical reason for changing back to the old gloves.

www.mmafighting.com

 

[skylolow]

First off, it isn't the UFC who makes the call on the foul or what happens after the foul.

The AC's in general should clean up the rules that a foul is a foul. Not one time the foul is warning, another time it is DQ, sometime it is a point lost and other times not, foul results in a lost, foul results in a no contest, etc etc. That is the real issue at hand.

 

[El Fernas]

This doesnt really hurt the UFC, they DONT care, its up to the AC, enforce the rules for once, tell the guys "you cant extend your fingers to the face of your opponent" backstage, they supposedly read the rules to them before the fight, once they start doing that in the cage, even if it doesnt end up in actually eye poking their opponent they should get a pause and a warning, do it again? Point being deducted even if no eye was actually poked, its like aiming kicks to the head of your opponent and missing, and not being called out by the ref only cause you missed.

One person can fix this, and its the ref.

 

[Mittens]

They tried switching gloves. Dana says the fighters didnt like them so they switched back.

Didn´t Jones refuse to fight with the new gloves and Dana went ”yes, massa”, or do I misremember?

 

[egk]

Didn´t Jones refuse to fight with the new gloves and Dana went ”yes, massa”, or do I misremember?

That was probably something people started on here. I've heard that about Conor too. Jones came out saying it was a relief they went back to the old gloves but it was AFTER the UFC announced they were going back.

People blame Jones for everything: https://www.essentiallysports.com/u...an-on-blunder-with-new-gloves-before-ufc-309/

 

[Neck&Neck]

Dana tried to change the gloves once, then just gave up

 

[Mittens]

Jones came out saying it was a relief they went back to the old gloves but it was AFTER the UFC announced they were going back.

People blame Jones for everything.

Heh, fair enough. That sounds like a rather plausible scenario too.

 

[joy2day]

They will always happen, but they would be a lot rarer if they deducted a point every time it happened. Fighters COULD choose to be more careful about extending the fingers and could choose NOT to intentionally poke their opponent.

Rampage is right that they almost never happen in training, so why are they happening in fighting so much?

It is HUGE advantage to get a good eyepoke on an opponent; it's really hard to come back from. Both Stipe and Randy (Chuck fight 2) got KOd right after an eye poke, and a lot of fighters are never the same for the rest of the fight. I couldn't believe they allowed Max to poke Justin twice without penalty, crazy.

There is no way to tell for sure if it is intentional- and since that is true, anyone could intentionally poke their opponent, claim it was an accident, and have a big advantage

 

[don't ask]

First off, it isn't the UFC who makes the call on the foul or what happens after the foul.

The AC's in general should clean up the rules that a foul is a foul. Not one time the foul is warning, another time it is DQ, sometime it is a point lost and other times not, foul results in a lost, foul results in a no contest, etc etc. That is the real issue at hand.

The first line in my post addressed this: the UFC most definitely has the influence to have fouls called and penalized properly.

 

[don't ask]

This doesnt really hurt the UFC, they DONT care, its up to the AC, enforce the rules for once, tell the guys "you cant extend your fingers to the face of your opponent" backstage, they supposedly read the rules to them before the fight, once they start doing that in the cage, even if it doesnt end up in actually eye poking their opponent they should get a pause and a warning, do it again? Point being deducted even if no eye was actually poked, its like aiming kicks to the head of your opponent and missing, and not being called out by the ref only cause you missed.

One person can fix this, and its the ref.

That's the point of my post: the UFC might care if more fighters start doing this instead of fighting compromised.

 

[don't ask]

Didn´t Jones refuse to fight with the new gloves and Dana went ”yes, massa”, or do I misremember?

I vaguely remember them switching back in time for his return. I know he was happy about the switch.

 

[don't ask]

The point is fighters are trying to call their own fouls and it's not up to them. It's the ref's job.

Then what is a fighter supposed to do when they've been fouled and are suddenly compromised in a combat art. Tap out? The fighters are advocating for their safety in the moment as the UFC is letting fouls become part of the game.

 

[Lee Danger]

that was luque vs alvarez, from a few weeks ago. yeah that was a really weird one too, not only did luque call his own foul but then the ref admitted the mistake while still giving luque the five minutes to recover. it's a dangerous precedent to set and you'd hope the fighters would police it amongst themselves, similar to what the guys in hockey do with diving.

there was a precedent: Irvin Sakara.
Sakara's knuckles hit Irvin's eye, he called the foul, stopped fighting and after a replay the fight was declared a tko win for Sakara.
The same'd have happend with Luque: he was unable to fight after a legal shot, so he was tkoed.

but there's the Varner - Cerrone's case when this strategy worked, compared to Kosheck Daily when the ref didn't get fooled.

 

[egk]

Then what is a fighter supposed to do when they've been fouled and are suddenly compromised in a combat art. Tap out? The fighters are advocating for their safety in the moment as the UFC is letting fouls become part of the game.

When they react to a foul, it's up to the ref to see them. They don't always. That's on the ref tho. I'm talking about fighters who think they can call time in the middle of a fight like Luque did when it was a punch that hit him not an eye poke. More and more fighters are acting like they were fouled when they aren't so they're gaming the system.

 

[prime_lobov]

The UFC would cut more fighters, but they wouldn’t “crack down on fouls” in any rule-based way.

 

[El Fernas]

That's the point of my post: the UFC might care if more fighters start doing this instead of fighting compromised.

It doesnt affect them, tickets have been sold, PPV´s have been sold, the UFC for the most part dont care who wins and who loses, they have both guys under contract.