What effect will the Aspinall duck have on JBJ's legacy?

[Juzie]

Won't matter, the casuals are gonna be tricked into thinking Tom ducked Jon because he didn't want to accept the 6 months camp bullshit excuse. Same as how they were tricked into thinking Jon didn't duck Francis either.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Not much at all.

He'd have to stab Dana with Steve Mazagattis arm for his legacy to be anything other than the biggest drug cheat in the sports history.

 

[Blastbeat]

It won’t have any effect. People won’t remember a rather insignificant circumstance like this. Jon Jones’ MMA record, though, won’t be erased, neither from people’s memories, nor from the MMA history books.

Every MMA goat could always have fought the next guy, then the next guy…there’s a constant flow of new blood in this sport, and a career in MMA can only last so long.

Having known when to stop at the right time is a very overlooked yet key part of being in the GOAT discussion.

I really like Aspinall, but in all due respect, we already know, given the few blemishes he already has on his record, that he’ll never reach the kind of legendary status that Jones has.

10-15 years from now, this will all be entirely forgotten.

People still remember Sugar Ray Leonard avoiding a fight with Marvin Hagler.
Stuff like this won't be forgotten by true fans of the sport.

 

[andgonsil]

Definitely GOAT of ducking

 

[Lee Danger]

People that repeat that it'll have no effects are pathetically short sighted and didn't learn anything from the past.

In 20 years some of them'll still cry at "jones' haters".

 

[RockyLockridge]

it shouldnt

 

[mkess101]

People still remember Sugar Ray Leonard avoiding a fight with Marvin Hagler.
Stuff like this won't be forgotten by true fans of the sport.

A rematch? Or just that he made Hagler wait so long for the first one?

 

[Blastbeat]

A rematch? Or just that he made Hagler wait so long for the first one?

both, actually. SRL was viewed as ducking Hagler for several years until they finally fought. its rumored that SRL saw something in Hagler's fight vs John Mugabi and felt that he could finally beat him.

the rematch was wanted by the public and Hagler for a long time but then SRL retired out of nowhere. a few years later he decided to come out of retirement but by then Hagler had left boxing and had started an acting career.

both instances are viewed as a pretty clear example of ducking/stalling out.

 

[Joshua8531]

There's a ton of people who don't think less of his career after all the positive tests and everything he's done outside of the cage. Those people won't be moved either way. The haters will still hate as well.

I agree with your take but hitting anyone in a vehicle collision and not making sure that they are ok afterwards and making sure they get to a hospital if they need to. Speaks for itself. Anyone who thinks I'm incorrect I would never want to be associated with.

 

[Pilo]

People still remember Sugar Ray Leonard avoiding a fight with Marvin Hagler.
Stuff like this won't be forgotten by true fans of the sport.

« True fans of the sport » who actually lived to see it, maybe.

That arguable « ducking » circumstance isn’t significant enough and won’t make it to the MMA history books, though, and I bet Aspinall won’t be much of a remembered name either, at least not 20-30 years from now.

Jon Jones will be, though.

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

Aspinall is now the GOAT.

Jones did it to himself.

 

[Pilo]

What effect will the Aspinall duck have on JBJ's legacy?​

MMA is a fringe sport that almost nobody cares about. In 20 years, Down-Low Jonny will be a distant memory for a few people. There is no legacy on the line, just UFC-nerds arguing over trivia.

Jones’ name will be remembered for sure, but I don’t believe Aspinall’s will be.

 

[markg171]

GSP vacated the belt immediately after less than two weeks due to health issues, Jon held up a division for two years and counting due to ego issues.

GSP knew about his health issues when he still went and fought Bisping despite his contract explicitly saying he needed to defend against Whittaker if he won.

So yeah, it's actually far worse than Jon fighting the guy he said he would.

 

[MrShady]

GSP knew about his health issues when he still went and fought Bisping despite his contract explicitly saying he needed to defend against Whittaker if he won.

So yeah, it's actually far worse than Jon fighting the guy he said he would.

GSP couldn't keep on the MW weight without ruining his health and body. If you know how hard it is to continue bulking/maintaining size as an ectomorph, you'd understand why he didn't want to keep doing it afterwards. He made the smart choice.

Only one fighter held the belt hostage. Fighting a 40yr old Stipe who hasnt fought in years since getting KTFO is akin to elder abuse.

GSP chased legacy with honor. Jon Jones is a man child.

 

[markg171]

GSP couldn't keep on the MW weight without ruining his health and body. If you know how hard it is to continue bulking/maintaining size as an ectomorph, you'd understand why he didn't want to keep doing it afterwards. He made the smart choice.

Only one fighter held the belt hostage. Fighting a 40yr old Stipe who hasnt fought in years since getting KTFO is akin to elder abuse.

GSP chased legacy with honor. Jon Jones is a man child.

Once again for the retard in the back:

GSP despite his “health issues” still fought Bisping even though his contract demanded he fight Whittaker if he beat Bisping. It was “severe” enough to not fight Whittaker but not for Bisping after he already accomplished his goal all along of being dual weight champ.

This is far, far, far worse than Jon fighting Stipe simply as he said he would. GSP broke a promise while Jon kept one.

 

[MrShady]

Once again for the retard in the back:

GSP despite his “health issues” still fought Bisping even though his contract demanded he fight Whittaker if he beat Bisping. It was “severe” enough to not fight Whittaker but not for Bisping after he already accomplished his goal all along of being dual weight champ.

This is far, far, far worse than Jon fighting Stipe simply as he said he would. GSP broke a promise while Jon kept one.

When was GSP diagnosed with ulcerative colitis?

"Started experiencing symptoms during his last training camp and that the condition, along with the stress of fighting, led to his decision to retire."

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Heres a simple question for the retard in the back.

Who held a belt hostage?

Or

Who wanted FU money for a fight against Francis? Who then fought Gane for his usual purse. Who wanted FU money for a fight against Aspinall? Who then fought Stipe for his usual purse. Who wanted a fight against Pereira for his usual purse.

Why did Jon suddenly want 30mil against Francis and Aspinall? But he was okay to fight 3 other times at HW against other opponents?

Sounds like a pussy to me. Your hero.

 

[markg171]

When was GSP diagnosed with ulcerative colitis?

"Started experiencing symptoms during his last training camp and that the condition, along with the stress of fighting, led to his decision to retire."

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Heres a simple question for the retard in the back.

Who held a belt hostage?

Or

Who wanted FU money for a fight against Francis? Who then fought Gane for his usual purse. Who wanted FU money for a fight against Aspinall? Who then fought Stipe for his usual purse. Who wanted a fight against Pereira for his usual purse.

Why did Jon suddenly want 30mil against Francis and Aspinall? But he was okay to fight 3 other times at HW against other opponents?

Sounds like a pussy to me. Your hero.

Buddy I want you to re-read what you wrote and see where you fucked up.

GSP's "health" issue wasn't severe enough NOT to fight Bisping and win his dual belt for his legacy but suddenly was enough to not defend against Whittaker like he'd literally already agreed he must do if he fought Bisping.

This is significantly worse, and in fact the complete opposite, of Jones saying he'll defend against Stipe... and then defending against Stipe.

Tabarnac.

 

[MrShady]

Buddy I want you to re-read what you wrote and see where you fucked up.

GSP's "health" issue wasn't severe enough NOT to fight Bisping and win his dual belt for his legacy but suddenly was enough to not defend against Whittaker like he'd literally already agreed he must do if he fought Bisping.

This is significantly worse, and in fact the complete opposite, of Jones saying he'll defend against Stipe... and then defending against Stipe.

Tabarnac.

If you start experiencing symptoms it doesn't mean you know and understand the full extent of the diagnosis. Obviously you aren't going to start treatment right away (and in his case that would mean giving up his lifestyle of bulking)

Are you arguing in good faith or are you a Jon Jones nuthugger?

Answer my question Marky. Why did Jon Jones demand FU money against Francis and Aspinall but NOT against Gane, Stipe, Pereira.

Don't dodge or deflect.

 

[skylolow]

Probably zero, people forget shit like this 10 years from now. I'd worry more about Tom's legacy. HW is shit, period. Jones is the only guy that can make you a legend or at least take that major step towards it. If the Tom never fights Jones and Jones just retires or whatever............Tom will have no one to fight that does much from legacy stand point. He'll go down with about as much fan fare as Tim Sylvia had.

 

[MrShady]

If it sounds like a quack, then it's Jon Jones lol