Opinion What do you think of white nationalism?

[ShinkanPo]

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Not sure what you mean by "tons of bad people".

Over weight, morbidly obese immigrants.


"They will eat our Jerbs"

 

[JosephDredd]

Just curious to see what people think on this. I know we've all seen the name Stromfront bandied about, and that is what has inspired this thread.

I actually got curious about this myself and looked into it. Here's what I concluded: What it is on paper is different from what it is in reality.

On paper, white nationalists claim that they don't believe in white superiority, but rather they just want their own geographical area to build a white nation and to live amongst themselves. And while some REALLY DO seem to adhere to this ideal, it seems to me that there's so much bleed over from white supremacists who legitimately think the white race is superior to other races.

Me, personally, I don't think it's a moral issue to simply want to live among your own kind. In fact, one might argue that this forced homogenization that is constantly thrust upon us is the real evil. But to think that because you are a member of a certain race, you are superior to people of another race is, in my opinion at least, super fucked up.

So I guess white nationalism--or any kind of nationalism really--doesn't strike me as a legitimate problem. If you step beyond that, it is.

What does everyone else think?

White nationalists don't think they're racist... and are completely oblivious to the racsit shit that comes out of their mouths. It's exactly like you say with "on paper" vs "reality".

I don't know any admirable people who are white nationalists. All the white nationalists I know are pretty shitty people, something that speaks volumes to me.

White nationalists are what rightwingers claim to be true of socialists: can't better their own lives without bringing down the lives of others. If you can't handle racial equality as a hurdle in your life you don't have a chance in hell of making it, so may as well check out now. It literally cannot get any easier for you and life only gets harder on stupid people.

 

[JosephDredd]

I do think there are some European groups who are on board, but yeah, it mostly seems to be a US thing.

I think this is because the US was such an obstinate hold out over banning slavery and ending segregation. Do you know how many people are still alive who lived through segregation? These race issues are a much stronger and much more recent component of American history. I mean, black athletes competing in Hitler's Olympics were marveling at how much better they were treated in Nazi Germany than America. Shameful.

 

[kickboxjh]

White nationalists are what rightwingers claim to be true of socialists: can't better their own lives without bringing down the lives of others. If you can't handle racial equality as a hurdle in your life you don't have a chance in hell of making it, so may as well check out now. It literally cannot get any easier for you and life only gets harder on stupid people.

Mentions racism straight off the bat and then argues a point nobody made. Classic.

 

[JosephDredd]

Mentions racism straight off the bat and then argues a point nobody made. Classic.

I'm arguing a point that I'm making. Writing... how does it work? Motherfucking magic up in this bitch. @lfd0311 may have been right about your reading comprehension, bro.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

"black", "white", "brown" and "yellow" are all very broad. As discussed previously it's more about culture rather than race.

I don't consider those advocating mass immigration as part of my culture.

Not sure what you mean by "tons of bad people".

These that advocate mass immigration. If you advocate mass immigration you're evil.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Me, personally, I don't think it's a moral issue to simply want to live among your own kind.

Two points:

1. I don't define "my kind" in terms of race.
2. Ethnic nationalism has led to some pretty horrible results, but in the modern world, I consider it more stupid than immoral. It's a major obstacle to policy that is broadly beneficial and provides no good to make up for the bad it causes.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

White nationalists don't think they're racist... and are completely oblivious to the racsit shit that comes out of their mouths. It's exactly like you say with "on paper" vs "reality".

I don't know any admirable people who are white nationalists. All the white nationalists I know are pretty shitty people, something that speaks volumes to me.

White nationalists are what rightwingers claim to be true of socialists: can't better their own lives without bringing down the lives of others. If you can't handle racial equality as a hurdle in your life you don't have a chance in hell of making it, so may as well check out now. It literally cannot get any easier for you and life only gets harder on stupid people.

That is an often repeated point, oh you're a white nationalist because you cannot compete with black/brown/asian/muslims so on and so forth.
But that is rarely the case, whites are doing just fine in terms of economics and academics.

What people dislike mostly is that once safe and prosperous places have been utterly ruined by multiculturalism. European capitals like Paris used to be as safe as Tokyo in the 60s, now they're still pretty good places compared to the third world but their crime rates are 2-5x higher than homogeneous first world capitals.

Once prosperous cities like Detroit are now more dangerous than BRAZIL(my country). Compton, Detroit, St. Louis are more dangerous than fucking Rio de Janeiro, see how diverse these cities are.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

2. Ethnic nationalism has led to some pretty horrible results, but in the modern world, I consider it more stupid than immoral. It's a major obstacle to policy that is broadly beneficial and provides no good to make up for the bad it causes.

Can you expand on that a bit? I'm not against migration of highly skilled personnel or expats that can work but not vote like the oil countries do. But I don't see any good from bringing let's say 1 million syrians to germany that couldn't be achieved in another way.

This kind of policy is beneficial to the migrants only and big businesses that want cheap labor but not to the citizens.

 

[Starck]

@lfd0311

What, can't fight your own battles?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Classic.

Comes in, becomes emotionional, starts name calling.

A walking stereotype.

Name calling?
If it parodies anyone's position, it's not name calling.
You big fucking baby.
Kleenex is the solution to your problem here.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

It's normal not to want too much variety.

If you think "brown" people are more tolerant in "brown" countries I suggest you get yourself a passport and get out of the USA to see for yourself how the world works.

I've traveled this side of the world fairly extensively including the brown American countries, met first wife in Bolivia.

I'm mostly a xenophile.
I wouldn't be able to stand only seeing white faces everywhere.
I don't want white versions of Mexican or Asian food when I eat ethnic.
I don't want to look at or date only white women.
Life needs more than just one flavor.

At least, mine does.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Can you expand on that a bit? I'm not against migration of highly skilled personnel or expats that can work but not vote like the oil countries do. But I don't see any good from bringing let's say 1 million syrians to germany that couldn't be achieved in another way.

This kind of policy is beneficial to the migrants only and big businesses that want cheap labor but not to the citizens.

Civic nationalism /= allowing a particular number of immigrants in with any particular characteristics. It just means, if you meet the legal requirements to be a citizen, you are one, and there are no tiers of citizenship or ethnic requirements. America's traditional embrace of the concept has been one of our great competitive advantages.

 

[illclint]

Just curious to see what people think on this. I know we've all seen the name Stromfront bandied about, and that is what has inspired this thread.

I actually got curious about this myself and looked into it. Here's what I concluded: What it is on paper is different from what it is in reality.

On paper, white nationalists claim that they don't believe in white superiority, but rather they just want their own geographical area to build a white nation and to live amongst themselves. And while some REALLY DO seem to adhere to this ideal, it seems to me that there's so much bleed over from white supremacists who legitimately think the white race is superior to other races.

Me, personally, I don't think it's a moral issue to simply want to live among your own kind. In fact, one might argue that this forced homogenization that is constantly thrust upon us is the real evil. But to think that because you are a member of a certain race, you are superior to people of another race is, in my opinion at least, super fucked up.

So I guess white nationalism--or any kind of nationalism really--doesn't strike me as a legitimate problem. If you step beyond that, it is.

What does everyone else think?

I generally agree with what you said. I'm fine with black nationalism and white Nationalism. I'm not a racial supremacist but I understand the feeling of wanting to live around people similar to you. Honestly, I think it is mostly a reaction to the Anti white rhetoric in the media and in parts of politics. Also, I think it is a reaction to seeing other races and cultures celebrated but not having your own recognized in the same way.

 

[illclint]

I think you will eventually find that it is in the "white man's" interest to get rid of racial thinking altogether. The biggest threat to stability is if the minorities start forming collectives based on race instead of intellectual ideas, and that we once again turn the human world into a mere, primitive biological competition between races and nationalities.

This also means that movements such as "Black Lives Matter" need to be eradicated as well, to avoid any sort of hypocrisy on the matter. Once everybody is on the same page regarding their race, that it is not of primary importance, we can all move on. The white man, the black man and the Asian man, all need to give up on the idea that it is their race which defines them.

I think you make a good point but I think the system -- media, government -- is structured to encourage blacks, Muslims (not a race), Latinos (not a race), etc. to maintain a separate identity. Also, I'm not sure that most black folk want to subordinate their racial identity. It seems to be a part of their identity they enjoy. Personally, I don't have an issue with that, but if you are trying to create a post racial society, it makes it harder to achieve.

Also, it's hard to take race out of the discussion when that is a huge part of the left's pitch to voters. It allows for a scapegoat for failed policies or ideas.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I've traveled this side of the world fairly extensively including the brown American countries, met first wife in Bolivia.

I'm mostly a xenophile.
I wouldn't be able to stand only seeing white faces everywhere.
I don't want white versions of Mexican or Asian food when I eat ethnic.
I don't want to look at or date only white women.
Life needs more than just one flavor.

At least, mine does.

Fair enough. A place with no diversity is pretty bland, agreed.

But too much diversity is bad.

I think that common sense can be achieved here.

 

[Ruprecht]

White nationalists are scum of the earth. No-one is preventing them from cringing off into their little inbred communities if they want. The funny thing is how often they try to assert that they aren't racist and that actually everyone just wants to live amongst their own race.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

White nationalists are scum of the earth. No-one is preventing them from cringing off into their little inbred communities if they want. The funny thing is how often they try to assert that they aren't racist and that actually everyone just wants to live amongst their own race.

There is almost no inbreeding among western whites. Inbreeding comes mostly from the diversity. Where does that meme about inbred rednecks come from anyway?

Civic nationalism /= allowing a particular number of immigrants in with any particular characteristics. It just means, if you meet the legal requirements to be a citizen, you are one, and there are no tiers of citizenship or ethnic requirements. America's traditional embrace of the concept has been one of our great competitive advantages.

It is a good point, but I believe that to be successful migrants should be screened for their ideologies. Civic nationalism relies on a degree of patriotism of these that want to join their new country. You come to America, you learn English, you learn the culture and you defend american interests, it doesn't matter your religion or color.

I cannot say about america but that has not been happening in Europe, you have migrant communities who despise their new countries and live there just because of financial reasons.

 

[Jack V Savage]

White nationalists are scum of the earth. No-one is preventing them from cringing off into their little inbred communities if they want. The funny thing is how often they try to assert that they aren't racist and that actually everyone just wants to live amongst their own race.

A little harsh, but ethnonationalism is a barbaric ideology that is hostile to American principles. And, yeah, I've really noticed that racists are really found of the argument that everyone believes what they do; it's just that some people don't admit it.

It is a good point, but I believe that to be successful migrants should be screened for their ideologies. Civic nationalism relies on a degree of patriotism of these that want to join their new country. You come to America, you learn English, you learn the culture and you defend american interests, it doesn't matter your religion or color.

This is true, except for the part about learning the culture. What does that even mean? One of the right's criticisms of America in the beginning was that civic nationalism (and a lack of a state religion) would lead to a decline in culture. I think it could be true that America's founding ideology (liberalism) deprioritizes culture in exchange for an increase in material well-being, but it doesn't seem to me that we're doing too badly. Lots of great cultural products have come out of the country (and a lot of shit, of course).

 

[Thought Criminal]

Whites are 8 percent of the worlds population and all of their countires are accepting mass immigration, while their media promotes interracial relationships, and ry. Not only that, but whites are getting murdered everyday by different races due to hate and the media covers up the cases.

Wtf is goin on here.