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Bader, cormier, machida, Glover, and gane would be his best wins imo.
Almost the same list as mine. I didn't put gus because going into that fight Gus was a major underdog and was his lowest profile title fight yet at the time but he was the most in their prime fighter jons ever fought. If Jones blew through Gus and finished him quickly, no one would bat an eye, and that win would be down there with chaelShogun was coming back from knee surgeries so solid win but not among his most impressive.
I think the Bader win is underrated. Bader was undefeated and got manhandled. He also stuck around for a long time after that as a fairly elite fighter.
Bader, Machida, Gus, DC and Glover are his best wins imo as all those guys had at least a few good years left of fighting after they lost to Jones. I think your criticism of his eye poking in the Glover fight is fair but Glover gets wrecked either way. I honestly don't think Jones has had an impressive performance against a worthy opponent since beating DC the first time with the exception of the rematch which got overturned.
Yup. Many talk about the Gus, Santos & Reyes fight being fights that almost handed Jon a loss, but Vitor almost had him finished.Vitor was a good win cuz Jon actually had his arm dislocated and still finished off Vitor with a compromised limb
The way Jon cranked Glover's shoulder and injured him was the deciding factor. Not an eye poke, and definitely not any big strike. Apparently Glover was susceptible to getting limbs broke by elite fighters as well.That's a big what if though. Glover got in trouble because he was susceptible to big shots when closing the distance. Jones has never had the heat behind his hands to negate forward pressure, nor does he have anything close to a remarkable jab. Take away his eye pokes and I think we may have seen a very different career.
and that happened in round 1 before any foul or w/eThe way Jon cranked Glover's shoulder and injured him was the deciding factor. Not an eye poke, and definitely not any big strike. Apparently Glover was susceptible to getting limbs broke by elite fighters as well.
That fight was a massacre..
IIRC Shogun had a burst appendix or something too months beforeShogun was coming back from knee surgeries so solid win but not among his most impressive.
I think the Bader win is underrated. Bader was undefeated and got manhandled. He also stuck around for a long time after that as a fairly elite fighter.
Bader, Machida, Gus, DC and Glover are his best wins imo as all those guys had at least a few good years left of fighting after they lost to Jones. I think your criticism of his eye poking in the Glover fight is fair but Glover gets wrecked either way. I honestly don't think Jones has had an impressive performance against a worthy opponent since beating DC the first time with the exception of the rematch which got overturned.
Shogun was shot before he made it to the UFC. Gus and DC were both legit wins and really the only impressive ones.
While it's true that Shogun was on his 3rd or 4th knee surgery by the time he faced Jones, he was still able to grab gold and be both a PRIDE and UFC champion. Jones being a 23 year old kid at the time makes it impressive regardless of Shogun's wear and tear and I'm a notorious Jones hater around here, but credit where it's due.Shogun was coming back from knee surgeries so solid win but not among his most impressive.
I don't think Shogun was completely shot at that point and I agree that being able to manhandle him at 23 was quite impressive for Jones. I just think that Bader, Machida, Gus, DC, and Glover were stiffer challenges but the win over Shogun is definitely better than the lackluster performances he gave us in the latter half of his career against the likes of Santos and Smith.While it's true that Shogun was on his 3rd or 4th knee surgery by the time he faced Jones, he was still able to grab gold and be both a PRIDE and UFC champion. Jones being a 23 year old kid at the time makes it impressive regardless of Shogun's wear and tear and I'm a notorious Jones hater around here, but credit where it's due.
One thing about the glover fight I've always wondered: Why did we never see a guy attempt that gross shoulder/elbow crank that Jon was trying to tear Glover's arm apart with ever again outside of that fight?I don't think Shogun was completely shot at that point and I agree that being able to manhandle him at 23 was quite impressive for Jones. I just think that Bader, Machida, Gus, DC, and Glover were stiffer challenges but the win over Shogun is definitely better than the lackluster performances he gave us in the latter half of his career against the likes of Santos and Smith.
Most guys in that position are only thinking about position and if they do want to hurt the guy they'll try to sneak in an elbow or a knee. Jones is just that creative that he can see those kinds of openings in the moment.One thing about the glover fight I've always wondered: Why did we never see a guy attempt that gross shoulder/elbow crank that Jon was trying to tear Glover's arm apart with ever again outside of that fight?