What are Jones' best wins in your opinion?

I hope, if JJ wants ofc that he fights Pereira in November. Pereira tho, would be the best opponent he'd have ever faced.

Eh.

DC would have toyed with Poatan. Theres a good chance Alex would lose more than he won vs Gus, Glover, Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Chael, Bader, Vitor etc too.

Shit, stylistically I could see Gane beating Poatan as well.
 
Eh.

DC would have toyed with Poatan. Theres a good chance Alex would lose more than he won vs Gus, Glover, Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Chael, Bader, Vitor etc too.

Shit, stylistically I could see Gane beating Poatan as well.
Nah he wouldn't. MMA has developed. Poatan defended all takedowns from Ankalaev while being injured. MMA isn't the same as it was, calf kicks have a bigger impact now, a more controlled pace instead of high volume all the time is more efficient due to precision. Heck, DC said in an interview that he thinks he wouldn't beat Alex even in his prime , that looking at Alex's performances and the development, he tries to compare, but he said he thinks Alex would likely have beaten him if they fought. Ngannou when just ranking fighters (assuming prime DC ofc) also out Alex a step above Prime DC. That's as close as you can get, DC saying he likely wouldn't be able to beat Alex and Ngannou seeing Alex Pereira as better than DC. You guys get too much attached to the past, as if it were always better. That's a common feeling to have, but it's not true.
 
Eh.

DC would have toyed with Poatan. Theres a good chance Alex would lose more than he won vs Gus, Glover, Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Chael, Bader, Vitor etc too.

Shit, stylistically I could see Gane beating Poatan as well.
Nope, Alex is on another level compared to Gane. Just seeing what he did to Jiri Prochazka, who beat Reyes and Glover. Glover was 42 yo but he said he was almost as good as his prime days (he looked very very fit there too which is a contrast to his younger self who was more flabby, some PEDs were being less restricted back then, and it shows). Poatan dominating Prochazka is like JJ dominating Glover but in a different level.

Jon Jones said more than once that the strongest fighter he faced in LHW, outside of rivalry and all, was Thiago Santos. He was asked about Gus, DC and he said in terms of greatness they are better. But that UFC was developing and Thiago Santos was in a perfect time with what JJ said the next generation. He said even when he beat Gane that the most dangerous guy he fought was still Santos of all the past opponents he faced. Ofc tho, Santos had his knees fucked and went through 3 surgeries.... He was never the same. But Pereira is better than Santos. MMA is developing, if you pick DC from that age and pity him against Pereira now, it'd be a dominant 3 round TKO. Not for nothing Ngannou said he considers Pereira better than DC as a MMA fighter from what he can see and DC kinda agreed.

Shogun, Machida, Evans?? Lol now that's a joke... Those guys would be smoked by any LHW now, come on now.
 
Machida is his most badass finish ever. It's actually one of the badass finishes I've ever seen.
Now just imagine how badass it would have been if he actually cared for his alread deafeated opponent's health and tried to stop him from falling down face down? Like when Tyson, even though he was dirty in that fight though, cared about Botha not falling out of the ring.

Though I assume that "badass" means something different for you than me.
 
Eh.

DC would have toyed with Poatan. Theres a good chance Alex would lose more than he won vs Gus, Glover, Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Chael, Bader, Vitor etc too.

Shit, stylistically I could see Gane beating Poatan as well.
I'm a huge Poatan fan but I agree that DC, Gus, Lyoto, & TRT Vitor would be major problems for Pereira. It could be argued that Sonnen & Bader could pose issues for him to with their wrestling, but I think he'd have a better chance catching them then them getting him to the ground for the whole fight. I think Poatan would out strike Rampage, Shad, & Glover especially with Alex's kickboxing, but Shad & Glover could be a scary matchup for him too due to Shad's legitimate wrestling & Glovers ground game if they didn't stand in front of him the entire time. Shogun would be a toss up because Pereira I would think would be better on the feet but Shogun is so damn tough I can see Shogun eating shots & catching Pereira much like Izzy did. At the end of the day it's impossible to know for sure how these hypothetical matchups would go down, but it is very intriguing to think about. Anyone could be right in these type of conversations.
 
Nope, Alex is on another level compared to Gane. Just seeing what he did to Jiri Prochazka, who beat Reyes and Glover. Glover was 42 yo but he said he was almost as good as his prime days (he looked very very fit there too which is a contrast to his younger self who was more flabby, some PEDs were being less restricted back then, and it shows). Poatan dominating Prochazka is like JJ dominating Glover but in a different level.

Jon Jones said more than once that the strongest fighter he faced in LHW, outside of rivalry and all, was Thiago Santos. He was asked about Gus, DC and he said in terms of greatness they are better. But that UFC was developing and Thiago Santos was in a perfect time with what JJ said the next generation. He said even when he beat Gane that the most dangerous guy he fought was still Santos of all the past opponents he faced. Ofc tho, Santos had his knees fucked and went through 3 surgeries.... He was never the same. But Pereira is better than Santos. MMA is developing, if you pick DC from that age and pity him against Pereira now, it'd be a dominant 3 round TKO. Not for nothing Ngannou said he considers Pereira better than DC as a MMA fighter from what he can see and DC kinda agreed.

Shogun, Machida, Evans?? Lol now that's a joke... Those guys would be smoked by any LHW now, come on now.
Poatan gets credit for beating 42 year old Glover but Jon doesn't get credit for beating 41 year old Stipe?

how does that work?
 
His first win over Cormier is his best for sure, Machida because he was in prime also Teixeira and Evans for the same reason, I would say Rampage as well, I wouldn't go so far to say Shogun was a great win lets remember Shogun's prime was winning the Pride 2006 lhw gp beating him in 2011 5 years after is clearly beating a semi-prime or past it version of the fighter from Pride, it's further evidenced by Shogun taking losses to Griffin and Machida who I believe during the Pride era he was superior than both.
 
For me I think Shogun, Machida, and the decision vs Cormier are his best wins. Testing wasn't great during this era so even if he was juicing, his opponents had the chance to do the same, so it was fair-ish.

I'm not impressed with his win over rampage because he went into full eye-hunter mode. Same thing vs Rashad and Glover.

And I'm not that impressed with his wins during the era where he was juicing but his opponent was not. Which was most of the usada era.

At HW I'm a little impressed with his win over Gane. I think Gane is a quality fighter and very dangerous.

Not impressed at all with that fiasco vs old retired Stipe.

#1 Decision over DC
#2 Machida
#3 Rampage
#4 Rashad
#5 Shogun
#6 Glover

Shogun win is low because Shogun decided to fight with a torn CL again

All the other wins are whatever TBH
 
It’s kinda funny how nobody wants to list Gane even though he’s gotta be among the highest ranked guys Jon ever fought considering he was #1 at the time (and arguably deserved to be champ). Shogun and DC 2 were ranked ahead of that given they were champions but who else could’ve possibly been up there at #1 like Gane was?

Rampage may have been the closest but would’ve still been around #2 as he’d have to have been behind Shogun. People were also getting title shots without having to become #1 as Jon constantly needed new opponents. Gane probably was the only #1 he ever faced given they needed the best fight possible for a new vacant HW title.

I’m mean it’s gotta be at least top 10. In before Jon should be punished because of Gane’s grappling that’s never seen him finished by sub before or since though.
 
Machida, DC, Rampage, Rashad, even Bader was an undefeated champ when he fought him. Finished that career. Vitor.

And Gane, that was a big win.

Unimpressed: Old man Stipe, sad win.
 
Cormier.

I think if Jon didn’t exist, we’d be talking about how DC is GOAT. Nobody but Jon touches him at LHW ever and he was also a damn good HW.
Even without the Jones losses DC was nearly KO’d by Rumble, then nearly KO’d by Gus and arguably lost a decision to him, then was getting out grappled by Rumble with the dumbest gameplan and worst cardio of all time, and was hurt by 197lb post gallbladder surgery losing streak Silva.

I don’t know know where this idea came from that DC was some unstoppable juggernaut at LHW came from. Maybe if you only watched barista Cummins, Old Man Hendo, and can Volkan, guys with no business in title fights.
 
Eh.

DC would have toyed with Poatan. Theres a good chance Alex would lose more than he won vs Gus, Glover, Rampage, Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Chael, Bader, Vitor etc too.

Shit, stylistically I could see Gane beating Poatan as well.
Pereira just went 12/12 on TDD against the guy you all said would take him down at will, and still potentially won against a guy who’s never been outstruck either.

Just stop it lol. Put some respect on his name.
 
Pereira just went 12/12 on TDD against the guy you all said would take him down at will, and still potentially won against a guy who’s never been outstruck either. Just stop it lol. Put some respect on his name.

He didnt "potentially win", he got beaten at his own game and looked poor.

To reiterate, DC would beat him easily, and he would most likely lose more than he won if he fought Gus, Glover, Bader, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Chael, Vitor, Rashad etc. You can of course also throw guys like Phil Davis, Rumble, Hendo, Randy,Chuck etc in there who would all have a very good chance at beating him too.

Nothing to do with not putting respect on his name, its just looking at him objectively. An entertaining fighter who was fast tracked and given favourable match ups during a weak era. Wouldnt have been top 5 at LHW 10 years ago.
 
He didnt "potentially win", he got beaten at his own game and looked poor.

To reiterate, DC would beat him easily, and he would most likely lose more than he won if he fought Gus, Glover, Bader, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Chael, Vitor, Rashad etc. You can of course also throw guys like Phil Davis, Rumble, Hendo, Randy,Chuck etc in there who would all have a very good chance at beating him too.

Nothing to do with not putting respect on his name, its just looking at him objectively. An entertaining fighter who was fast tracked and given favourable match ups during a weak era. Wouldnt have been top 5 at LHW 10 years ago.
Okay buddy.

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If your bet is honestly that everybody can just easily take Pereira down and sub him, even though that's not happening today either, or stand with him for 25 minutes without it at least being a close fight, I don't know what to tell you.

Pereira's KOing half of you list with low-mid difficulty. Please tell me more about how Shogun's going to beat him though.
 
His first win over Cormier is his best for sure, Machida because he was in prime also Teixeira and Evans for the same reason, I would say Rampage as well, I wouldn't go so far to say Shogun was a great win lets remember Shogun's prime was winning the Pride 2006 lhw gp beating him in 2011 5 years after is clearly beating a semi-prime or past it version of the fighter from Pride, it's further evidenced by Shogun taking losses to Griffin and Machida who I believe during the Pride era he was superior than both.
The Shogun that fought and won the 2005 LHW GP (not 2006) was a rookie that was fighting with wreckless aggression using pure talent, I don’t even think Shogun ever reached his prime, injuries hindered that from occurring. Shogun losing to Forrest was not out of the realm of possibility, it was only unfathomable because people like YOU never gave UFC Fighters their dues and respect to be competitive with their PrideFC counterparts. Forrest Griffin captured GOLD his very next fight against a prime Rampage Jackson, by the way Forrest Griffin and Shogun Rua careers both mirror each other from when they both started fighting, amount of fights they both had when they fought, similar opponents with cans and elite fighters mixed in with Shogun having a better career prior to them meeting. So if Shogun was out of his prime when they fought, then so was Forrest Griffin who had losses and was older.

The best Shogun Rua ever looked in his entire career was during his bouts with Machida, he put everything together, skills in kickboxing & MT, talent, IQ, Gameplanned, cardio, adapted to the unified rules and the cage, something a few of his peers couldn’t adjust to (CroCop). That Shogun in that 2 fight span with Machida i will take over ANY LHW of his generation even the stylistically bad matchups like Coutures, Evan’s, Ortiz’s

So you saying Jones win over Shogun wasn’t great because he was out of his “prime” is fucking coping mechanism and quite frankly disrespecting both Shogun and Jones. Jones went on to prove why he’s considered to many as GOAT, if Jones went on and had lackluster career then you could’ve some footing with Shogun being out his prime, but it showed Jones as elite given what occurred after those bouts, hell Shogun went on to avenge his loss to Griffin and went life and death with a Dan Henderson who was coming off 3 amazing wins which Shogun arguably could’ve won.

I dislike how you people find a point in a fighters career to claim when their prime and out of prime is based on the name of the person they loss to and using it as a coping mechanism instead of actually watching the fights and see how great they look, even in Shoguns loss to Forrest he was fucking him up and was already utilizing elbows and the cage to his advantage until he gassed out.
 
Pereira's KOing half of you list with low-mid difficulty. Please tell me more about how Shogun's going to beat him though.

I listed 15 names total, 10 of which Jon beat, and you yourself are essentially conceding that you're not confident that he would win against a significant amount of them. My initial response was to the ridiculous claim that Poatan would be the best guy Jon ever fought. So what are you trying to argue here exactly when seemingly even you dont agree with that?
 
The Shogun that fought and won the 2005 LHW GP (not 2006) was a rookie that was fighting with wreckless aggression using pure talent, I don’t even think Shogun ever reached his prime, injuries hindered that from occurring. Shogun losing to Forrest was not out of the realm of possibility, it was only unfathomable because people like YOU never gave UFC Fighters their dues and respect to be competitive with their PrideFC counterparts. Forrest Griffin captured GOLD his very next fight against a prime Rampage Jackson, by the way Forrest Griffin and Shogun Rua careers both mirror each other from when they both started fighting, amount of fights they both had when they fought, similar opponents with cans and elite fighters mixed in with Shogun having a better career prior to them meeting. So if Shogun was out of his prime when they fought, then so was Forrest Griffin who had losses and was older.

The best Shogun Rua ever looked in his entire career was during his bouts with Machida, he put everything together, skills in kickboxing & MT, talent, IQ, Gameplanned, cardio, adapted to the unified rules and the cage, something a few of his peers couldn’t adjust to (CroCop). That Shogun in that 2 fight span with Machida i will take over ANY LHW of his generation even the stylistically bad matchups like Coutures, Evan’s, Ortiz’s

So you saying Jones win over Shogun wasn’t great because he was out of his “prime” is fucking coping mechanism and quite frankly disrespecting both Shogun and Jones. Jones went on to prove why he’s considered to many as GOAT, if Jones went on and had lackluster career then you could’ve some footing with Shogun being out his prime, but it showed Jones as elite given what occurred after those bouts, hell Shogun went on to avenge his loss to Griffin and went life and death with a Dan Henderson who was coming off 3 amazing wins which Shogun arguably could’ve won.

I dislike how you people find a point in a fighters career to claim when their prime and out of prime is based on the name of the person they loss to and using it as a coping mechanism instead of actually watching the fights and see how great they look, even in Shoguns loss to Forrest he was fucking him up and was already utilizing elbows and the cage to his advantage until he gassed out.
Pride fans will say Shogun was out of his prime for the first Forrest fight because he was injured magically post Pride, out of his prime for the Jones fight after KOing Machida, but then magically good for the Forrest 2 fight months later when he wins in the 1st. Or after that with his FOTY against Hendo they say he got robbed in.

All the while never once acknowledging that Forrest was even more injured than Shogun for their fights as he had a completely useless arm. Or how in the rematch Forrest was dealing with a shit weight cut fighting in Brazil as there was no distilled water, let alone he had a wife in labour at the moment that made him not even want to fight any more as he just wanted to get back to the US ASAP and should've been pulled. All that doesn't count.

It's all fake. Everything's determined by whether you like fighters or not around here.
 
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I listed 15 names total, 10 of which Jon beat, and you yourself are essentially conceding that you're not confident that he would win against a significant amount of them
I don't think you know what the scaling of "beat with low-mid difficulty" means if you think this is what that means.
My initial response was to the ridiculous claim that Poatan would be the best guy Jon ever fought.
Literally nobody said this but okay Michelangelo.

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