International "We need Greenland" - Trump repeats threat to annex land of NATO member, UK lapdog govt. opposes but refuses to say would be against international law

The US already has a deal in place and can pretty much do what they want in regards to military build up in Greenland. If its so important why have they reduced their numbers there from over 5k to 200…?
Its a resource grab. Plain and simple. Just like Venezuela.

Worse yet, it's purely about Trump's ego. He merely wants America to "expand" during his reign, and to have his name attached to that expansion in the history books, and Greenland is the only viable option. Even if it's mostly just a frozen wasteland that the U.S. hasn't cared about in a hundred years.

It's pure hubris, by far the worst "side quest" that he's been involved in throughout his presidency. He'd do himself, his country and everyone else a service by putting an end to this act of lunacy, never mentioning it again and moving onto much more tangible issues that the U.S. is facing.
 
Seems like the US government wanted Greenland 70 to 150 years ago and tried to purchase it. They were turned down, but came to an agreement that worked for all sides until Trump came along.

Not sure saying "America wants Greenland" is really accurate with all things considered. Assuming that the US government and citizens are salivating over taking Greenland by force is a real leap. If you said "Trump wants Greenland for its natural resources" that might be accurate.
When I say "America," I mean the executive branch, the one that signs treaties and moves ships, not the electorate. I don't think "the people" ever gave a shit about Greenland because they were too busy trying to put food on the table,but if we are to understand America as a super-organism that will go on for ages to come, then the idea of acquiring Greenland precedes and will transcend Trump's presidency. In the grand scheme of things, it actually does make sense.

As the Arctic waterways start slowly melting, America and every country surrounding that space is going to want to secure their dominance in the region. Owning Alaska and Greenland basically guarantees American supremacy over the Northwest Passage. Greenland also potentially has a metric fuck ton of rare earth metals that would reduce dependence on China almost completely. Owning that not only secures independence on substances necessary for military hardware (as I understand it) but it also ensure that you're enemies can't mine it for themselves.

There's also the matter of Russia arming their arctic north while Canada sort of sits there twiddling its thumbs doing nothing to ensure security in that region and if America is entering a multipolar world, they aren't exactly going to allow that to continue in there backyard.

With the exception of security from potential Russian aggression in the North, these weren't realities 70–150 years ago. These are emerging issues and saying "Trump wants natural resources" doesn't tell you anything.

Let me try it again.
IF Greenland is so important, why does the base we have there manned with a skeleton crew. Neo-Con Don has had a whole year to send troops, planes, etc there if it was so important strategically. Why has Trump not done that, and instead of doing that, Trump is saying he should just steal it, because it's so important. Once again Trumps own actions conflict with what he is saying, which is pretty common for him and since his Elite buddies own the 4th Estate now, nobody pushes back on his obvious bullshit.
Instead of answering why more troops are not there now, I expect you to reply with a dank ass meme.
Let me try again.

One day, with or without Trump, America will own Greenland.
 
When I say "America," I mean the executive branch, the one that signs treaties and moves ships, not the electorate. I don't think "the people" ever gave a shit about Greenland because they were too busy trying to put food on the table,but if we are to understand America as a super-organism that will go on for ages to come, then the idea of acquiring Greenland precedes and will transcend Trump's presidency. In the grand scheme of things, it actually does make sense.

As the Arctic waterways start slowly melting, America and every country surrounding that space is going to want to secure their dominance in the region. Owning Alaska and Greenland basically guarantees American supremacy over the Northwest Passage. Greenland also potentially has a metric fuck ton of rare earth metals that would reduce dependence on China almost completely. Owning that not only secures independence on substances necessary for military hardware (as I understand it) but it also ensure that you're enemies can't mine it for themselves.

There's also the matter of Russia arming their arctic north while Canada sort of sits there twiddling its thumbs doing nothing to ensure security in that region and if America is entering a multipolar world, they aren't exactly going to allow that to continue in there backyard.

With the exception of security from potential Russian aggression in the North, these weren't realities 70–150 years ago. These are emerging issues and saying "Trump wants natural resources" doesn't tell you anything.


Let me try again.

One day, with or without Trump, America will own Greenland.
That's a lot of words to say what has already been established, Greenland is useful for defense purposes and natural resources. Also it already seems established that our allies would let us use the land for defense purposes. Sounds like we are just talking about natural resources then. However, @TheGreatA made an excellent point that I overlooked. For Trump it's probably just about having his name attached to the US gaining new land.
 
That's a lot of words to say what has already been established, Greenland is useful for defense purposes and natural resources. Also it already seems established that our allies would let us use the land for defense purposes. Sounds like we are just talking about natural resources then. However, @TheGreatA made an excellent point that I overlooked. For Trump it's probably just about having his name attached to the US gaining new land.
The "why" is important to flesh out despite your aversion to a lot of words. They don't want Russia or China to acquire those resources because it is quite literally essential for military hardware and therefore hemispheric supremacy. This is an extension of the Monroe doctrine but pointing to the North.

There's no question Trump wants to be the one, but that does not deny the reality that Greenland is still massively important to USA.
 
The "why" is important to flesh out despite your aversion to a lot of words. They don't want Russia or China to acquire those resources because it is quite literally essential for military hardware and therefore hemispheric supremacy. This is an extension of the Monroe doctrine but pointing to the North.

There's no question Trump wants to be the one, but that does not deny the reality that Greenland is still massively important to USA.
Mate, I think you're one of the few rightists on here with an IQ above room temperature, so I'll try to be respectful but, Jesus fucking Christ. From a security perspective, the US got everything it needed by cooperating with its near peers in Europe and East Asia. In fact, our friendly relations made us virtually untouchable. Alienating our allies fundamentally strengthens China's hand. Even the most deranged nationalist should be able to see that. There is no "multipolar world" coming about. Either US hegemony dissolves over time into a new order based on multi-national cooperation, or the US is replaced as the global hegemon. I'd prefer the former myself, but you do you
 
Worse yet, it's purely about Trump's ego. He merely wants America to "expand" during his reign, and to have his name attached to that expansion in the history books, and Greenland is the only viable option. Even if it's mostly just a frozen wasteland that the U.S. hasn't cared about in a hundred years.

It's pure hubris, by far the worst "side quest" that he's been involved in throughout his presidency. He'd do himself, his country and everyone else a service by putting an end to this act of lunacy, never mentioning it again and moving onto much more tangible issues that the U.S. is facing.
I agree. But would add its also distraction from his lack of a healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, shitty economic policy, blowing up the debt again, removing worker and consumer rights and protections and the Epstein files.
 
Mate, I think you're one of the few rightists on here with an IQ above room temperature, so I'll try to be respectful but, Jesus fucking Christ. From a security perspective, the US got everything it needed by cooperating with its near peers in Europe and East Asia. In fact, our friendly relations made us virtually untouchable. Alienating our allies fundamentally strengthens China's hand. Even the most deranged nationalist should be able to see that. There is no "multipolar world" coming about. Either US hegemony dissolves over time into a new order based on multi-national cooperation, or the US is replaced as the global hegemon. I'd prefer the former myself, but you do you
One of those allies is—checks notes—Greenland! lol, I mean ffs. We have a base there where we’ve only stationed 200 troops because we’re so worried about securing the region. From Russia. Who’s hasn’t even been able to handle their next door neighbor.

This shit is all about ego and resources. Hopefully he’s just trolling his base with this one, making them jump through hoops to support him like he always does.
 
Chinese and Russian missiles would fly right over Greenland, so it's time for Denmark to step up. Get out that bank account and start spending billions on defense and start harvesting resources from the area to pay for it.. They are going to need to cancel a lot of those social programs.
 
I think it will be ice, homeland some paramilitary around any swing areas or opposition areas. Check points, roads going down.
I would be surprised a direct cancellation that's more of a stake an anchor in madness.
"Look he didn't cancel them, there's just paramilitary check points everywhere etc etc to prevent illegal aliens, terrorists, voted fraud etc"
And maga rats will argue for him.
I was right in 2000 and that was the last time I ever gave a fuck about voting.
Just bookMark this, I hope I am wrong.

My guess is it will play out as the following - Trump and the GOP will announce there is something wrong with the voting machines/ballots - most likely they will claim it is fraud. They will then seize all voting machines/ballots, call for calm and tell everyone to sit tight as they investigate, which will of course drag on and on and have only one outcome - he'll say the democrats cheated and possibly declare them to be a terrorist organization attempting to overthrow the govt. This does not hinge on Trump - if he's gone, it will just be some other puppet like Vance.
 
Mate, I think you're one of the few rightists on here with an IQ above room temperature, so I'll try to be respectful but, Jesus fucking Christ. From a security perspective, the US got everything it needed by cooperating with its near peers in Europe and East Asia. In fact, our friendly relations made us virtually untouchable. Alienating our allies fundamentally strengthens China's hand. Even the most deranged nationalist should be able to see that. There is no "multipolar world" coming about. Either US hegemony dissolves over time into a new order based on multi-national cooperation, or the US is replaced as the global hegemon. I'd prefer the former myself, but you do you
Trump is quite literally a testament to the fact that alliances aren't sacrosanct as you and everyone else are currently proving. History is a graveyard for cooperations that disintegrated the moment their interests didn't align.One day there can and might be a pivot towards China or Russia and that's not a gamble the USA is going to want to take if that multi-polar world arrives.

Having a military presence on Greenland isn't the same as controlling the foundation and cutting out the middleman. Everything the state's does requires Danish approval. Owning the land bypasses all that and they can unilaterally deploy what ever the fuck they want without worrying about environmental concerns or if their initiatives are viewed as too escalatory.

Currently, China can do it's bidding as a "near Arctic nation." (Whatever that means) To actualize the arctic silk road. By owning Greenland, America gets a lot more legal capital to fuck around with the straits/gaps exiting into the Atlantic ocean functionally putting an end to that.

At the end of the day, the two biggest powers outside of the US (Russia-China) are making big moves to consolidate their presence in the arctic. The US won't let that happen and if history is a metric here, ownership is greatly preferred.
 
Chinese and Russian missiles would fly right over Greenland, so it's time for Denmark to step up. Get out that bank account and start spending billions on defense and start harvesting resources from the area to pay for it.. They are going to need to cancel a lot of those social programs.

Even more so the Russians and this Chinese, can get subs through that corridor. Missile defense is also key, but also don’t want a Russian sub going through that passage and positioning outside of say DC or NY, etc.

That is just military strategery and doesn’t account for the massive resources Trump wants to ensure we have control of, rather than a weak Europe already being passively destroyed through migrants and gradual Chinese and Russian influence, energy, manufacturing as EU GDP growth is absolute shit.
 
Trump is quite literally a testament to the fact that alliances aren't sacrosanct as you and everyone else are currently proving. History is a graveyard for cooperations that disintegrated the moment their interests didn't align.One day there can and might be a pivot towards China or Russia and that's not a gamble the USA is going to want to take if that multi-polar world arrives.

Having a military presence on Greenland isn't the same as controlling the foundation and cutting out the middleman. Everything the state's does requires Danish approval. Owning the land bypasses all that and they can unilaterally deploy what ever the fuck they want without worrying about environmental concerns or if their initiatives are viewed as too escalatory.

Currently, China can do it's bidding as a "near Arctic nation." (Whatever that means) To actualize the arctic silk road. By owning Greenland, America gets a lot more legal capital to fuck around with the straits/gaps exiting into the Atlantic ocean functionally putting an end to that.

At the end of the day, the two biggest powers outside of the US (Russia-China) are making big moves to consolidate their presence in the arctic. The US won't let that happen and if history is a metric here, ownership is greatly preferred.
Forget about Russia. Russia is a dead end. Geopolitically, only the US and China exist as current or potential global hegemons. The only way the US maintains it's geopolitical dominance is through its alliance with near peers. Even if you set aside all questions of morality, or international law and order, or whatever the fuck else and approach this from a purely nationalistic (and frankly, nihilistic) perspective, the actions of the Trump regime are accelerating the process of China supplanting the US as the global hegemon.
 
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