War Room Lounge v97: Jesus Christ, you're even pedantic with foreplay.

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You wouldn't be able to navigate this subforum at all if :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: was allowed. At some point it comes down to what words cause a lot of trouble or get the site pushed down in the search engines. The choices here are more geared toward the search engine problem.

Yes. The free speech debate such as it exists is really fucking stupid. It's only about regulations on speech. The more regulations on speech there are, the more unfree the speech. The question thus becomes which infringements on speech are morally permissible. That shouldn't be the question at all. Freedom of speech should be treated as an objective in itself to be maximized. Thus, what regulations maximize the diversity (and thus freedom) of speech in society should be the question. Why should we tolerate anything else? Internet forums perfectly illustrate this point. Moderated spaces are just better.
 
Tl;dr of Greta Thunberg’s Davos speech

“America bad!”
*ugly faces*
”White men bad!”
*more ugly faces*

*standing ovation*
 
Yes. The free speech debate such as it exists is really fucking stupid. It's only about regulations on speech. The more regulations on speech there are, the more unfree the speech. The question thus becomes which infringements on speech are morally permissible. That shouldn't be the question at all. Freedom of speech should be treated as an objective in itself to be maximized. Thus, what regulations maximize the diversity (and thus freedom) of speech in society should be the question. Why should we tolerate anything else? Internet forums perfectly illustrate this point. Moderated spaces are just better.

I would say that totally free speech should be any sensible person's goal.

It's more of a matter of educating populations and encouraging people to be pro-active in challenging ignorance, giving way to an era of "self-moderation" rather than regulation by outright censorship. Censor your own foolishness rather than requiring someone else to do it in your stead.

If we have an unregulated space, yet one which is filled by people who hold certain principles and call out stupidity whenever they see it, you won't see that space being filled with people repeating random slurs and getting away with their intellectual laziness. The reason why that happens is because people just aren't up to the task in that regard, particularly on the internet, which is often filled with juveniles and not-that-intelligent people. You require the moderators to ban the trolls because there's more of them than there are quality posters. And if not, then they atleast have a disproportionate impact on the conversation. But much of that is because of people's inability to intellectually and emotionally handle "trolling".

Nonetheless, we should all believe in the idea that we are on the path-way towards total freedom and the capacity to handle it as individuals. It might not happen in our time, or anywhere close to our time, but in the end, it must happen.
 
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with you in the car? absolutely.
No I was not in the car, it was parked in my driveway, I forgot to park in the garage. I came out this morning to go to work and my back windshield was broken, like a huge hole (I could climb through if I had to) as far as I could tell nothing missing, I keep nothing in my car though.
 
No I was not in the car, it was parked in my driveway, I forgot to park in the garage. I came out this morning to go to work and my back windshield was broken, like a huge hole (I could climb through if I had to) as far as I could tell nothing missing, I keep nothing in my car though.
https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2017/03/what-are-the-criminal-charges-for-breaking-a-window.html
Vandalism

Some states describe certain property damage as vandalism, and breaking windows can often fall under these definitions. For instance, Tennessee defines vandalism as causing "damage to or the destruction of any real or personal property of another," and makes vandalism of a retail merchant a felony offense. So breaking a store window could get you up to six years in prison.

Theft

If a window was broken to gain access to a vehicle or building in order to steal property, you could be looking at a whole host of other criminal charges and penalties. Some states have separate statutes for acts such as breaking into a locked vehicle to steal property or looting.

If you've been charged with a crime related to breaking a window, contact an attorney.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/vandalism.html

It's also important to realize that while vandalism, on its own, is often considered a non-violent crime, it may be accompanied with other crimes or even escalate to more serious crimes. Crimes they may be related to vandalism include burglary, criminal trespass, or disturbing the peace.



hope this helps
 
https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2017/03/what-are-the-criminal-charges-for-breaking-a-window.html
Vandalism

Some states describe certain property damage as vandalism, and breaking windows can often fall under these definitions. For instance, Tennessee defines vandalism as causing "damage to or the destruction of any real or personal property of another," and makes vandalism of a retail merchant a felony offense. So breaking a store window could get you up to six years in prison.

Theft

If a window was broken to gain access to a vehicle or building in order to steal property, you could be looking at a whole host of other criminal charges and penalties. Some states have separate statutes for acts such as breaking into a locked vehicle to steal property or looting.

If you've been charged with a crime related to breaking a window, contact an attorney.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/vandalism.html

It's also important to realize that while vandalism, on its own, is often considered a non-violent crime, it may be accompanied with other crimes or even escalate to more serious crimes. Crimes they may be related to vandalism include burglary, criminal trespass, or disturbing the peace.



hope this helps

vandals! I bet they were street youths.....
 
In Australia it's mostly instant or espresso. Does McDonalds do espresso in the US? Even servos do it here.
I agree man

I actually kind of hate coffee people

Like people can't freaking function without caffeine in them

Like my grandfather used to say he doesn't want to be a slave to anything. And bless that Man never had any addictions

I was addicted to coffee pretty hard cuz I work at an office job. And I got to a really bad point. Like I was drinking those 5-hour energy drinks my face is getting red. Read Drifters big energy drinks. Or I dabble in like caffeine pills. Oh my gosh

The last August I said you know what I'm going to beat you caffeine. I want to f*** you over real good. And I haven't had a drop not even one

For Christmas I tried Coke again but it was like way too hard of a bite like hurt

So I said no and then I said hello to Sprite. Still hitting the Sprite pretty hard but and I'm going to feed him to. Defeat I says. Strikes you to the ground

Man like seriously I can do this. I can do anything if I just f****** do it guys

Like we have so many Tim Horton's around here. I just see cars back up to the road all the time and it's just like cars and people and they're just like crashing into each other just like give me my coffee where my coffee at you guys

that's not a good way to live like people who are just like you know you think they're sick and they just like I'm dying and I was just like what's wrong with you and they're all like I never had my coffee just like that you're pregnant girl f***** up cuz your my coffee look like a f****** money or something you son of a b****

me and my brother-in-law we were playing paintball right and it was like way too hot out what do you want to be in camouflage so he was all like camouflage to the guild you know what I'm saying

was like a super hot day so like what would you have in your hand on a super hot day will it be an ice cream know this guy had a f****** large coffee in the sweat dripping off of him was like enough to f****** drown a moose you know I'm saying

this is the kind of guy who wakes up and lick his hands don't work so he like coarse coffee but like you can follow on right like if mantracker was trying to find this guy just follow the coffee drip so it's really that bad he drips a trailer drips that never ends you guys

coffee is like f****** a drug and I'm pretty sure I'm not for sure but like I know it is that the Tim Hortons around here they have some shady dodgy scientifically e legal components that I know that they manufacture and put in their coffee because nobody should like their coffee that much like I tasted coffee before and it tasted like like a bucket of ashes so I know for sure that they're doing some they're injecting the coffee was like a syringe of math or some kind of like pocket meth like something that's addictive

I'm pretty sure that like there's a little dose of meth and like everything. Everything has meth in it

anyway one time I was at school right and you couldn't they said hey no more smoking on the property right. So people like runway the hell off trying to get off school grounds and I swear this guy driving really fast to get a cigarette ran over a guy running really fast to get a cigarette

P who got time for that

So anyway that's why I don't go near the stuff
 
So anyway if someone smashes out your back car window is that a violent crime?

No. You weren't harmed or in direct personal danger. That's a property crime
 
No. You weren't harmed or in direct personal danger. That's a property crime
This.

It doesn't make a victim feel any better but it's a property crime. Violent crime is when someone threatens you personally, attacks you and other such things like that.

Burglary where a perp holds up a convenience store at gun/knife point to steal the cash register is a violent crime.
 
I would say that totally free speech should be any sensible person's goal.

It's more of a matter of educating populations and encouraging people to be pro-active in challenging ignorance, giving way to an era of "self-moderation" rather than regulation by outright censorship. Censor your own foolishness rather than requiring someone else to do it in your stead.

If we have an unregulated space, yet one which is filled by people who hold certain principles and call out stupidity whenever they see it, you won't see that space being filled with people repeating random slurs and getting away with their intellectual laziness. The reason why that happens is because people just aren't up to the task in that regard, particularly on the internet, which is often filled with juveniles and not-that-intelligent people. You require the moderators to ban the trolls because there's more of them than there are quality posters. And if not, then they atleast have a disproportionate impact on the conversation. But much of that is because of people's inability to intellectually and emotionally handle "trolling".

Nonetheless, we should all believe in the idea that we are on the path-way towards total freedom and the capacity to handle it as individuals. It might not happen in our time, or anywhere close to our time, but in the end, it must happen.

We should all want as free everything as possible, what I'm rejecting specifically is the ''trade-off'' paradigm that you see in Hobbes or Locke. Hobbes thinks men are beasts and a heavy hand should be used to deal with them. Locke is a bit more optimistic about human nature and thought that men were essentially good and could be left mostly to their own devices, and that only aberrant behaviour needed correction. But both were in the business of selling freedom for security: selling bits of oneself into comfortable bondage of a sort, which comes with it a certain nasty two-sided assumption. To wit, unregulated speech is always ''freer,'' and that regulations on speech always provide this security. Both of which I reject.

I'm borrowing (perhaps outright stealing) from Rousseau's approach to the problem. That actually there is something ''engraved'' on our hearts that we all want, and that by maximizing it, we sacrifice nothing.
 
He was crap.

I thought he was pretty good, even judged on an absolute standard. I don't remember any standout contributions, but his overall presence seemed to be positive. I could have missed some stuff, though.

Why are some slurs allowed, but others not?

I'd guess that it's not a moral issue as much as a site-protection one. They don't want Sherdog to show up in searches for certain words or generally to attract the types of people who regularly use those words.
 
I would say that totally free speech should be any sensible person's goal.

It's more of a matter of educating populations and encouraging people to be pro-active in challenging ignorance, giving way to an era of "self-moderation" rather than regulation by outright censorship. Censor your own foolishness rather than requiring someone else to do it in your stead.

If we have an unregulated space, yet one which is filled by people who hold certain principles and call out stupidity whenever they see it, you won't see that space being filled with people repeating random slurs and getting away with their intellectual laziness. The reason why that happens is because people just aren't up to the task in that regard, particularly on the internet, which is often filled with juveniles and not-that-intelligent people. You require the moderators to ban the trolls because there's more of them than there are quality posters. And if not, then they atleast have a disproportionate impact on the conversation. But much of that is because of people's inability to intellectually and emotionally handle "trolling".

Nonetheless, we should all believe in the idea that we are on the path-way towards total freedom and the capacity to handle it as individuals. It might not happen in our time, or anywhere close to our time, but in the end, it must happen.
By totally free you mean you wouldn’t criminalize disruptive threats of violence, public slander/libel/defamation, panic inducing lies (the classic “fire!” in a crowded theater), speech that violates intellectual property laws, child pornography, false advertising?

Or do you just mean totally free in the way that it is right now in the USA where you can say anything not in those categories but there will be consequences and private businesses can kick you out if you say something offensive to them or that might hurt there business?
 
No I was not in the car, it was parked in my driveway, I forgot to park in the garage. I came out this morning to go to work and my back windshield was broken, like a huge hole (I could climb through if I had to) as far as I could tell nothing missing, I keep nothing in my car though.

Who are you feuding with that would vandalize your car in your driveway?
 
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