Opinion Vote now! Your stance on guns!

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@Slobodan

Oooooh haha I get it.

 

[Greoric]

Legalize all of it. Let localities designate public spaces, such as schools, parks and government buildings, as gun free zones based on need.

Stop making it a political football. If you really support the 2nd Amendment, there's no conversational difference between automatic weapons and a rocket launcher. There's a functional difference and a capacity for damage difference but there's no real legal difference, in my opinion.

I'm all about localizing control. In that respect you have a great proposal here. However, unless those localities want to invite mass shootings with soft targets then they wouldn't be making any of these places "gun free zones".

 

[Greoric]

I know I’ve said it here before but most people here in AK have a 22, 12g, hi ting rifle (243, 270, 30-06, 300wm) and a 44 mag handgun....

Of course there’s the people whis garage could arm a 250 man Mikita to the teeth, lots of those guys in AK too.....I may or may not be one of them.

Too many malfunctions with the AR platform up there?

 

[Staph infection]

Pro gun, taking guns away does not change anything people will still find a way to kill others and criminals will still find ways to get guns.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Its hard because America cannot seem to have an honest balanced connversation on the subject because 2nd amendment people refuse to make any concession (in general)

Is this irony? If you want honesty then you're missing the mark. If there were no concessions we wouldn't have thousands of guns laws nitpicking things like action-type, barrel length, age of purchase, grip-styles, if you can carry, how you can carry, where you can carry, flash hiders, decibel levels, etc. And there wouldn't be models specifically banned, nor limits on how many rounds can be in your gun at one time.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Ben!

I voted to ban all guns.

If you wanna stop murders, you gotta stop guns.

If your only tool is a gun, every problem looks like death, I always say.

*Facepalm*

Oh sure, like murder never happened before guns were invented.

Sniper, you're much much smarter than this.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

To add: *those that have already gone through the process of obtaining a Suppressor legally, can append the purchase of the next one to the original paperwork, instead of starting the same process anew.

 

[bushman505]

Too many malfunctions with the AR platform up there?

Lots of ARs here too, lots of them.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

I have to disagree with that last part mate, in the cities is where crime is rife and I'm actually more inclined to carry. I've felt safer unarmed on jobs in Africa that some random parts of the US where crazy incidents have happened in-front of me lol.

I meant as an ideal, not given the current state of play, as i said in a previous post things have gone too far to go back and there are too many bad people with guns.
My post was really meant as an exercise in an ideal scenario, ovbviously unatainable.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

You can't blame the lack of an "honest balanced conversation" solely on proponents of the 2A, especially because concessions are expected, no, demanded. If you want to have an honest, balanced conversation or actual compromise, then bring a horse to trade. You can't keep chipping away at an enumerated right and expect no justifiable resistance.

So tell me, what are you willing to exchange for (insert proposed knee jerk policy of the month here)?

I don't...reread the post, i agree that i can see why 2nd amendment people may feel that way.

The thing is though....you are clinging to words laid out hundreds of years ago when people had rickets and wooden teeth as your reason to want to keep guns.
Maybe it would be more constructive, and palatable, if pro gun people, rather than just saying its their right, actually discussed why they want/need a gun, you may find more people than you think agree with you. Just saying its my right and going on about the 2nd amendment does come across as pretty childish and petty...just doing it because you can.

 

[MilesAbove]

So, my position doesn't really fit in these. I think you should be able to buy pretty much any weapon (launched items don't seem necessary at all for civilians). But I also think they should be well-regulated, meaning that there is a strong trail of who owns what, there is a registration, physical and written tests, and dues to be paid, and you are held accountable if you fail to report a weapon being lost or misplaced.

I truly want people to have their boom-sticks and explode-rocks. I am fine with people being armed all they want. But they need to be accountable. And yeah, shitty people will do shitty things because they're shit. That doesn't excuse Good people not being accountable. And since they are Good, they'll do it. So do.

 

[jlagman]

I don't...reread the post, i agree that i can see why 2nd amendment people may feel that way.

The thing is though....you are clinging to words laid out hundreds of years ago when people had rickets and wooden teeth as your reason to want to keep guns.
Maybe it would be more constructive, and palatable, if pro gun people, rather than just saying its their right, actually discussed why they want/need a gun, you may find more people than you think agree with you. Just saying its my right and going on about the 2nd amendment does come across as pretty childish and petty...just doing it because you can.

We can't have an "honest balanced conversation" if the pro-gun control crowd prefaces every conversation with, "nobody's coming to take your guns" and in the same breath, propose legislation that...takes away people's guns.

You can't have an "honest balanced conversation" when you blame the wrong people for crimes and expect them to make sacrifices for something they weren't responsible for.

You can't have an "honest balanced conversation" by rebranding concession as a "common sense compromise".

Bring something to the table, for instance, how about universal background checks in exchange for national reciprocity?

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

We can't have an "honest balanced conversation" if the pro-gun control crowd prefaces every conversation with, "nobody's coming to take your guns" and in the same breath, propose legislation that...takes away people's guns.

You can't have an "honest balanced conversation" when you blame the wrong people for crimes and expect them to make sacrifices for something they weren't responsible for.

You can't have an "honest balanced conversation" by rebranding concession as a "common sense compromise".

Bring something to the table, for instance, how about universal background checks in exchange for national reciprocity?

You really are odd, you seem really annoyed about things I've never said or done such as 'blaming the wrong people for crimes..'

I'm not offering a compromise or 'bringing anything to the table' because I'm not asking you to do anything, this thread is a discussion on our views and I have expressed mine; that in an ideal world we have no guns, i also freely admit that is unrealistic, I'm not telling you how to live your life.

Now stop writing posts in that retarded, patronising manner that involves quoting 2 words out of context, fuck me, you write like a buzzfeed listmaker

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm interested in the argument. Could you flesh that out?

In all honesty I don't actually have a well thought out reason as to why automatic pistol caliber weapons should be legal, I just want one. But as far as how I justify the distinction of allowing those and not rifle caliber automatic guns, its because an automatic rifle caliber gun does so much more damage per round and so are significantly more destructive. I'm not even entirely against those being legal as well, its just that I think getting pistol caliber automatic guns legal would be easier if you didn't also push for automatic rifle caliber guns and I do understand on some level why people would be nervous about automatic rifles flooding the market.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

We can't have an "honest balanced conversation" if the pro-gun control crowd prefaces every conversation with, "nobody's coming to take your guns" and in the same breath, propose legislation that...takes away people's guns.

You can't have an "honest balanced conversation" when you blame the wrong people for crimes and expect them to make sacrifices for something they weren't responsible for.

You can't have an "honest balanced conversation" by rebranding concession as a "common sense compromise".

Bring something to the table, for instance, how about universal background checks in exchange for national reciprocity?

Quoted for truth.

Whenever a debate on gun control begins, the side advocating for more gun control only ever demands more and more concessions.

Nothing of any substance is ever going to get accomplished because the side advocating for more gun control is never willing to honestly trade horses.

 

[floivanus]

Alright, so apparently the idea you can file the firing pin to slam fire is a urban myth, but I have seen a AK-47 do this, so I am a bit confused.

Filing the firing pin would disable the gun.

Only thing that could work is fixing the firing pin (no longer moving) or tying the sear down, but both are only applicable to open bolt semi autos, which are very limited in number and were banned by the ATF in 1984.

AKMs and AR-15/M4 style rifles require extra parts to work.

But hey, a member of AR15.com was jailed and convicted of transferring a full auto gun illegally because his legally built AR15 malfunctioned at a range and doubled up.

 

[floivanus]

Hey! Yes I said to keep the laws the way they are now!

HIPAA stops “nut cases” from being reported by health officials.

So would you be in favor of gutting HIPAA so everyone who seeks mental health gets reported to the ATF/FBI?

 

[Twerknasty]

HIPAA stops “nut cases” from being reported by health officials.

So would you be in favor of gutting HIPAA so everyone who seeks mental health gets reported to the ATF/FBI?

Yes!

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

You really are odd, you seem really annoyed about things I've never said or done such as 'blaming the wrong people for crimes..'

I'm not offering a compromise or 'bringing anything to the table' because I'm not asking you to do anything, this thread is a discussion on our views and I have expressed mine; that in an ideal world we have no guns, i also freely admit that is unrealistic, I'm not telling you how to live your life.

Now stop writing posts in that retarded, patronising manner that involves quoting 2 words out of context, fuck me, you write like a buzzfeed listmaker

Way to go full dickhead.

 

[trac209]

A gun is a tool nothing more. In hands that want to do harm fertilizer is more deadly.