Vettori vs this top 10

[NoSmilez]

Whats exactly your point with this reply?

First of all he did beat two UFC champions in Bustamante and Bisping by KO of the year among many other dangerous fighters at 185.

Regardless, Hendo weighted for his LHW bouts even less than Marvin does for his MW bouts. At the same time, he beat many guys who weighted about as much as Marvin does in fight night

...so whats exactly your point?

You dont give any credit to Marvin for his win over Costa because it happened at 205lbs? If thats your logic, going by on-paper "facts" only, it's cool but I disagree.

In that case though, who are the dangerous people Marvin "consistently" beat at 185? Kevin Holland, Karl Robertson?

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Okami would approach the fight as he did vs Marquardt, keeping it in the long range and forcing the clinch if Marvin tries to engage. If you think Vettori will dominate Okami in the clinch as he does Holland or most guys he has beat to date you are fooling yourself. It would look closer to Akhmedov vs Vettori.
If Marvin wins, it would be in a close fight as Okami vs Franklin or Okami vs Marquardt
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Lombard has the lesser chance imo for his cardio issues and reach dissadvantage but he was a dangerous fighter at either WW or MW.
If you need to look at his record it's on you but even in losses he showed to be legit and would certainly be one of Marvin's best wins at 185 in his career.

I never claimed Marvin beats dangerous people. I just feel Marvin beats those 3 people by decision. It's you who is claiming Bisping is a dangerous fighter during Hendo's first fight with him and even giving him the title of UFC champion before he even won it. LOL you might as well give me some Fedor stats. Fighter with most wins over Pride and UFC champions

 

[r-harper-1]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

Ahead of Bisping

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Not even Bisping for me. Bisping was a damn good scrambler. If he got taken down, he would get back on his feet and box up Vetorri.

Bisping was destroyed by old Wand, believe he has chances against Vettori is insanity.

 

[ThunderStruck]

So Maia, who is a HUGE WW, felt the need to move down a weight-class to remain competitive.
As expected, MW was indeed similarly "strong" at the top than the very next weight class in p4p terms, and superior in absolute terms.

Maia went 9-4 run at MW.
10-3 run in same nº of fights at WW, one of them the most controversial L of his career vs Shields and the other vs the champion already at 40 years old.

I think you can make great contributions in the video games room, this sick GSP fanboyism in a karate forum degenerated in a terribly delusional state of mind. It's a decade plus of this sickness. You can get out of this, seek help if you need to.

So basically, a guy has the same amount of success in 2 weight class (earned title shot in both weight classes, getting some losses).

Doesn't that proves that the lower weight class is stronger? If a natural WW has the same success at MW than he does at WW, that means that WW is more competitive, because he proved he could be just as competitive against the much bigger MWs.

Pretty easy to grasp, but not for you apparently.

 

[pankrat]

I never claimed Marvin beats dangerous people. I just feel Marvin beats those 3 people by decision. It's you who is claiming Bisping is a dangerous fighter during Hendo's first fight with him and even giving him the title of UFC champion before he even won it. LOL you might as well give me some Fedor stats. Fighter with most wins over Pride and UFC champions

So you "feel" like Marvin beats those three by dominant 30-27 dec I already knew that.
You didnt bring any argument behind it whatsoever so I argue with several points about it and still all you bring to support your stance is asking who did Henderson "beat convincingly a 185"... wtf

This is supposed to be a discussion, not sure what you understand by that lol
I dont even know what you talk about some Fedor stats btw

 

[GeneTunney7]

beats:
Machida
Kennedy

Close fights with
Kennedy
Bisping
Jacare
Romero


Loses to the rest.

Beats prime Machia??

I don't know how he would win that fight. Dragon was so hard to take down and was freakin' nasty in prime, not to mention a stylistic nightmare for many.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Beats prime Machia??

I don't know how he would win that fight. Dragon was so hard to take down and was freakin' nasty in prime, not to mention a stylistic nightmare for many.

He's bigger his cardio is great so he outputs enough to win machida is a low volume guy and loses or goes to split decisions because of it.

 

[GeneTunney7]

He's bigger his cardio is great so he outputs enough to win machida is a low volume guy and loses or goes to split decisions because of it.

i aint talkin' modern day Machia, i am talking prime Machia. Machida destroyed Rashad. But if we just talking mw Machida, that guy beat up Gegard and nearly beat prime Chris.

And why do you say Vettori is bigger? Machida = 6'1, Vettori = 6'0. Machida also fought at hw and was the lhw champion.

To me, Machida at his best was a special fighter. Vettori just seems like a gate keeper tough man, jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[RockyLockridge]

i aint talkin' modern day Machia, i am talking prime Machia. Machida destroyed Rashad. But if we just talking mw Machida, that guy beat up Gegard and nearly beat prime Chris.

And why do you say Vettori is bigger? Machida = 6'1, Vettori = 6'0. Machida also fought at hw and was the lhw champion.

To me, Machida at his best was a special fighter. Vettori just seems like a gate keeper tough man, jack of all trades, master of none.

well of course we're talking about mw machida aren't we talking about vettori vs the best middleweights? isn't that the topic of the thread?

 

[HHJ]

All would fall victim to the Italian Dream within 2 rounds.

 

[GeneTunney7]

well of course we're talking about mw machida aren't we talking about vettori vs the best middleweights? isn't that the topic of the thread?

well, the first response asked "all in their prime", so I was operating under the assumption it was. If it were the best mw Machida (say the one that beat Moose and Munoz), I would take him. And how do you think Gegard does vs Vettori?

I could be wrong, but it seems like the mw division has went down the tubes. Vettori reminds me of someone like Tim Kennedy: strength is grappling and over powering rivals but he is not an elite BJJ like Jacare or wrestler like weidman.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

well, the first response asked "all in their prime", so I was operating under the assumption it was. If it were the best mw Machida (say the one that beat Moose and Munoz), I would take him. And how do you think Gegard does vs Vettori?

I could be wrong, but it seems like the mw division has went down the tubes. Vettori reminds me of someone like Tim Kennedy: strength is grappling and over powering rivals but he is not an elite BJJ like Jacare or wrestler like weidman.

Marvin Surprised Adesanya :

“I just didn’t think Vettori was going to stand and strike with him which was surprising. I said he should try to wrestle. I felt like he would have had better success especially with Costa coming in heavy. He [Vettori] don’t listen.”

“What surprised me the most about Costa with the fighting? He did right. The inside leg kicks i wish he did that more because that was working.”

Vettori is so fucking tough, for some unknown reason he's underrated.

comparing Marvin to Tim is disrespectful.

I still think Marvin destroy Weidman, Rockhold, Bisping, Tim, MW Machida.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Marvin Surprised Adesanya :

“I just didn’t think Vettori was going to stand and strike with him which was surprising. I said he should try to wrestle. I felt like he would have had better success especially with Costa coming in heavy. He [Vettori] don’t listen.”

“What surprised me the most about Costa with the fighting? He did right. The inside leg kicks i wish he did that more because that was working.”

Vettori is so fucking tough, for some unknown reason he's underrated.

comparing Marvin to Tim is disrespectful.

I still think Marvin destroy Weidman, Rockhold, Bisping, Tim, MW Machida.

Comparing Marvin to Tim is disrespectful? Really?! You know Tim Kennedy beat future champs Bisping and Lawler right? That he went 5 hard rounds with current champ Prime Rockhold and Jacare, and was very well rounded? Not sure what beating old man one eyed Yoel in a nail biter has to do with anything either - that guy lost 5 of past 6. Tim actually should have beat much younger Yoel save for stool gate - they were incredibly evenly matched.

Beating Costa who could not make weight and just got his soul taken by Izzy just does not do it for me. Tim was a very good fighter and in his prime that only lost to champs, much like Marvin.

Im sorry, but I just dont think the mw division is as stacked as the post strikeforce merger, and im not the only one. Just look at the wrestlers: we went from D1 all american studs like weidman and munoz to now male cheer leader Brunson and Hermanson.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

He would probably beat Bisping

I think he beats Michael easily via decision.

 

[DaRivv20]

Aww no Bobby?

 

[Evangelion]

People are way overrating some of these guys.

Rockhold and Weidman stand up are worse than Vettori.

Its old barely beat Brunson Anderson, not prime Anderson.

Trtor can lose to any good grappler.

Jacare and Romero are super flawed.

Hed be favored over Bisping and Kennedy.

No way he beats Mousasi though. Just no options to win there

 

[Miokink026]

well of course we're talking about mw machida aren't we talking about vettori vs the best middleweights? isn't that the topic of the thread?

no need to waste your time with someone who thinks bigger = taller.

 

[Miokink026]

Comparing Marvin to Tim is disrespectful? Really?! You know Tim Kennedy beat future champs Bisping and Lawler right? That he went 5 hard rounds with current champ Prime Rockhold and Jacare, and was very well rounded? Not sure what beating old man one eyed Yoel in a nail biter has to do with anything either - that guy lost 5 of past 6. Tim actually should have beat much younger Yoel save for stool gate - they were incredibly evenly matched.

Beating Costa who could not make weight and just got his soul taken by Izzy just does not do it for me. Tim was a very good fighter and in his prime that only lost to champs, much like Marvin.

Im sorry, but I just dont think the mw division is as stacked as the post strikeforce merger, and im not the only one. Just look at the wrestlers: we went from D1 all american studs like weidman and munoz to now male cheer leader Brunson and Hermanson.

Do you know how people can see you're simply biased?

• Beating Costa who could not make weight and just got his soul taken by Izzy just does not do it for me. Tim was a very good fighter and in his prime that only lost to champs, much like Marvin

yes, let's ignore that not cutting weight means Costa didn't even have to deplete himself, let's also ignore the fact that Costa, without depleting himself, went 5 rounds and didn't gas when normal Costa usually starts to slow down in the third, let's also ignore how Costa vs Vettori went. Nope, let's just focus on "b-b-but Costa had his soul taken by Izzy so he must be weaker! Costa couldn't even make weight!"

Dude, stop embarrassing yourself. Oh, and "only lost to champs" lol kid you can't even fathom that champs doesn't mean powerful across time and is comparable to all champs in all periods, it just mean they were the best during that time. A champ could be not even top 10 in certain time periods. Your entire argument is vague and general. Next time, try saying who those champs were and why losing to them means something and don't ignore facts just to help your argument. You're not winning money by winning arguments, it's just a forum discussion, no need to lie and be that biased.

 

[Ares Black]

All in their prime? Only guy I'd put below Vettori would be Bisping. Everybody else on that list is elite or at least close to elite unlike Vettori. Vettori's biggest assets are that he's really durable and has great cardio. He's not very skilled especially compared to the guys on your list.

Prime Bisping fucks up Vettori.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Do you know how people can see you're simply biased?

• Beating Costa who could not make weight and just got his soul taken by Izzy just does not do it for me. Tim was a very good fighter and in his prime that only lost to champs, much like Marvin

yes, let's ignore that not cutting weight means Costa didn't even have to deplete himself, let's also ignore the fact that Costa, without depleting himself, went 5 rounds and didn't gas when normal Costa usually starts to slow down in the third, let's also ignore how Costa vs Vettori went. Nope, let's just focus on "b-b-but Costa had his soul taken by Izzy so he must be weaker! Costa couldn't even make weight!"

Dude, stop embarrassing yourself. Oh, and "only lost to champs" lol kid you can't even fathom that champs doesn't mean powerful across time and is comparable to all champs in all periods, it just mean they were the best during that time. A champ could be not even top 10 in certain time periods. Your entire argument is vague and general. Next time, try saying who those champs were and why losing to them means something and don't ignore facts just to help your argument. You're not winning money by winning arguments, it's just a forum discussion, no need to lie and be that biased.

Too many apologies here, Costa still looked dangerous against Vettori but lost.

Vettori has a good defense, he's a very good fighter and deserve respect, the guy spent 10 rounds with Izzy, he faced the champion twice and never received a knockdown.

Adesanya even showed respect to Marvin after the fight, but Sherdoggers still think he loses to Bisping and Tim.

do you think Tim survives against fucking Adesanya?!

Marvin destroy any version of Bisping and Tim!!