Vettori vs this top 10

[arcadeperfect]

Not a Vettori fan by any means, but people are underrating him. He has excellent durability and stamina which is already a nightmare for most fighters to deal with. A striker of Izzy's caliber wasn't able to secure a finish, nor was there ever any threat of a finish. Costa who's a powerful MW and who fought Vettori at 205 couldn't score even a single knockdown.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Vitor had 53% TDD.

I don't think Marvin would stand with him very long, he'd get in the clinch or shoot on him very shortly. But he could definitely get KO'd trying to do so.

The real X-factor in that fight would be the extra TRT in Vitor.

 

[Goober stoober]

dude loses to most of these guys in their primes.

hes not that good imo

maybe he beats jacare?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Vitor had 53% TDD.

I don't think Marvin would stand with him very long, he'd get in the clinch or shoot on him very shortly. But he could definitely get KO'd trying to do so.

He's a nightmare matchup for Vitor imo. I think that looks a lot like the Vitor Vs Randy fights.

 

[Herwald]

TRTor would be a serious problem and he'd definitely be a sitting duck vs prime Silva, but I think he could hang with the rest. His chin is very durable, he's proved he can go 5 rounds and his zhoo zhits is good enough to not get strangled.

That said... those would be close calls. Could be a lot of unanimous decision losses.

People shitting on Bisping - I think prime Bisping would outpoint him.

 

[VitorReem]

Beats most of them I think. moose/ prime Andy/ Vitor/ maybe Yoel are the only ones I’d say have the best chance to beat him. Maybe Rockhold but I could see him getting laid out as well. His chin is soooooo bad.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

TRTor would be a serious problem and he'd definitely be a sitting duck vs prime Silva, but I think he could hang with the rest. His chin is very durable, he's proved he can go 5 rounds and his zhoo zhits is good enough to not get strangled.

That said... those would be close calls. Could be a lot of unanimous decision losses.

People shitting on Bisping - I think prime Bisping would outpoint him.

Vitor's record against people who have cardio, can wrestle and are hard to knock out isn't great.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

Vettori loses to all definitely except maybe Bisping, Kennedy and Romero....and I still don't know if he takes any of those 3.

 

[LoveSherdogThisTime]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

Vettori would put up a competitive fight against any middleweight. A good chin and cardio can take you far.

 

[Herwald]

Vitor's record against people who have cardio, can wrestle and are hard to knock out isn't great.

Yeah, but that TRT run was a different animal. Dude almost finished Jon Jones. Decimated Rumble. Trampled Rockhold.

Vettori's problem is lack of finishing tools. He just doesn't finish people. 12 fights in the UFC, 10 decisions. You think he can go to a decision with a version of Vitor that never went to a decision? And Vet just admitted he had problems with Costa being so muscly. TRTor was very close to Costa, but even more explosive.

I would not favor Marvin in this one at all. I'd probably root for him cause I like him and usually root for him, but nah, man. TRTor should've been part of the Universal Monster lore.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yeah, but that TRT run was a different animal. Dude almost finished Jon Jones. Decimated Rumble. Trampled Rockhold.

Vettori's problem is lack of finishing tools. He just doesn't finish people. 12 fights in the UFC, 10 decisions. You think he can go to a decision with a version of Vitor that never went to a decision? And Vet just admitted he had problems with Costa being so muscly. TRTor was very close to Costa, but even more explosive.

I would not favor Marvin in this one at all. I'd probably root for him cause I like him and usually root for him, but nah, man. TRTor should've been part of the Universal Monster lore.

If he can survive the opening blitz then I'd favour him yeah, Vitor would need to catch him with something super clean as I don't think I've ever seen Marvin really hurt or rocked. If Marvin starts to test his cardio and drag him into deep waters then he probably finishes him.

 

[Grandwizard666]

beats:
Machida
Kennedy

Close fights with
Kennedy
Bisping
Jacare
Romero


Loses to the rest.

Bruh the machida that fought Weidman for the belt smokes any version of vettori
Kennedy is the only guy on that whole list I can see losing, and I don't even know that. Jacare and Romero DESTROY him, and bisping had great striking and great takedown defence. It wouldn't be competitive.
The only guys in the current middleweight division that beat multiple of these guys are Izzy and Rob.
That is arguably the strongest mw has ever been

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Bruh the machida that fought Weidman for the belt smokes any version of vettori
Kennedy is the only guy on that whole list I can see losing, and I don't even know that. Jacare and Romero DESTROY him, and bisping had great striking and great takedown defence. It wouldn't be competitive.
The only guys in the current middleweight division that beat multiple of these guys are Izzy and Rob.
That is arguably the strongest mw has ever been

Bisping tended to beat guys on cardio and volume, which I'm not sure is in his favour against Marvin. That's a close fight and it depends how well Mike's TDD holds up against 5 rounds of Marvin relentlessly trying. Mike isn't finishing Vettori so it'd be interesting, I tend to think Mike wins the opening rounds and Marvin the later ones and it would come down to who got the swing rounds imo.

 

[Grandwizard666]

Bisping tended to beat guys on cardio and volume, which I'm not sure is in his favour against Marvin. That's a close fight and it depends how well Mike's TDD holds up against 5 rounds of Marvin relentlessly trying. Mike isn't finishing Vettori so it'd be interesting, I tend to think Mike wins the opening rounds and Marvin the later ones and it would come down to who got the swing rounds imo.

Bisping has the better striking. Cardio is pretty even. Durability is even. Wrestling is vettoris, but bisping has the defense to keep it upright.
Don't see Marvin winning against a 2014-15 bisping.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Bisping has the better striking. Cardio is pretty even. Durability is even. Wrestling is vettoris, but bisping has the defense to keep it upright.
Don't see Marvin winning against a 2014-15 bisping.

I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I don't see why Marvin couldn't do what Kennedy did to Bisping either.

 

[NoSmilez]

He probably grinds out some of the competition. This is PRE USADA so he can come in even bigger. He is probably the only one on the list that will wrestle and strike. Every guy on the list is a "striker" regardless what their original base was. Marvin is also has a solid chin and very decent cardio. It's pretty close with most of the guys on the list. Maybe he will lose a decision but I don't think he will get put out. He will dominate some other 185ers around that time like Lombard, Okami and Hendo.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

He beats Bisping and maybe Jacare thats it

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

A lot of guys saying he'd beat Ping but I think a prime Bisping would stick and move Vettori to a UD.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Bewildered why ppl are saying he beats Bisping? Bisping has as good cardio, better more technical kickboxing, more power and really good TDD and terrific ability to get back up to his feet. Marvin doesn't have a crushing top game like Kennedy or anything and that's basically the only time Bisping was topfucked in his career. Even prime Hashad @ 205 struggles mightily and nearly lost to Mike and Shael also had a razor close controversial win against Mike where he struggled to get him down and couldn't keep him down much at all. Both of them much better wrestlers than Marvin. And Marvin has struggled to take down a lot worse defensive wrestlers than Mike.

He literally loses to everyone on that list and most look one sided. His best chances are against Tim who's a better grappler with more power, but not as clean striking. And Anderson and Saucy had below average to weak TDD and liked to play guard but Marvin was getting hurt badly and pieced up late by Kevin Holland who's basically a Walmart Anderson so he wouldn't win those fights either

That post Strikeforce merge was the GOAT MW division by fucking far. No version of Marvin would have been top 10 in that era. He'd be a solid 11-15 with the likes of Brunson who was getting rekt back then and ironically is only a spot behind him in the rankings now at 37yo <Lmaoo> shows how fucking shite MW is now

 

[chinarice]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

Damn I almost wanna know how good Silva would have done himself..... he is 0-3 against these guys.

Would Silva even be top5?? Hmmmm