Vettori vs this top 10

[Mohawk Banditó]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

I wouldn't

 

[RockyLockridge]

Bruh the machida that fought Weidman for the belt smokes any version of vettori
Kennedy is the only guy on that whole list I can see losing, and I don't even know that. Jacare and Romero DESTROY him, and bisping had great striking and great takedown defence. It wouldn't be competitive.
The only guys in the current middleweight division that beat multiple of these guys are Izzy and Rob.
That is arguably the strongest mw has ever been

Yeah I'm not sure why you guys think vettori is so bad he's pretty big for a middle weight if machida can lose to Phil Davis he can lose to vettori.


Yoel can lose a decision to literally anyone as he sometimes sands around for entire rounds while losing he pulls rabbits out of hats to win fights. He was losing to brunson before he came from behind. He could stand around do nothing and lose a decision to vettori.

Jacare is outsized by vettori so I think he has a hard time with vettori in the grappling it'd be a striking matchup.bso vettori has a chance there.

I feel like no one gives vettori any credit he's tough as hell and hasn't lost to Any sub par fighters

 

[RockyLockridge]

Damn I almost wanna know how good Silva would have done himself..... he is 0-3 against these guys.

Would Silva even be top5?? Hmmmm

No he wouldn't be but people will anways deny that. He's the greatest middleweight but not the best.

 

[Franklin U.]

Bisping only guy on list where vettori might ...... ya know what - prime ping would out point vettori so hed rank ahead of no one on list.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Bisping only guy on list where vettori might ...... ya know what - prime ping would out point vettori so hed rank ahead of no one on list.

A lot of guys saying he'd beat Ping but I think a prime Bisping would stick and move Vettori to a UD.

Ye Bisping was a weak champ but ppl are letting prolly Bisping take the Kelvin fight 2 weeks after he got his brain rattled and choked unconscious influence perspective

Bisping was hard AF to take down and even harder to keep down. Better wrestlers with better top games than Marvin failed to. Tim Kennedy was the only one and he had one of the most crushing top games in MMA and was a grappler who was happy rolling around with fucking Roger Gracie

Bisping was a much more technical much cleaner striker than Marvin and for all the pillowfist talk Mike got Marvins bubblefists make Bispings power look like Rumble. Marvin ain't beating Ping

 

[ExitLUPin]

I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I don't see why Marvin couldn't do what Kennedy did to Bisping either.

His wrestling isn't as good and his top game isn't even close to Tims. Prime Shael and Hashad couldn't topfuck Ping but Marvin who was struggling to grapple Omari and Mutante would? Not a chance. Even Izzy by the rematch easily got up from him and Izzy doesn't exactly have great escapes. Multiple fighters have gotten out of Marvin's sub attempts too. The only similar performance to Tim Bisping that Marvin had was against Holland and Hollands wrestling defense is some of the absolute worst in MMA makes Bisping look like Kyle Dake. Not a chance in hell Marvin can do what Tim did to Mike. Marvin also doesn't have the power of Tim either even if he does cleaner work. There were times when Tim cracked Mike standing and forced him to retreat or get into the clinch. I don't see Mike having that issue with Marvin's pillowfists.

 

[Franklin U.]

Ye Bisping was a weak champ but ppl are letting prolly Bisping take the Kelvin fight 2 weeks after he got his brain rattled and choked unconscious influence perspective

Bisping was hard AF to take down and even harder to keep down. Better wrestlers with better top games than Marvin failed to. Tim Kennedy was the only one and he had one of the most crushing top games in MMA and was a grappler who was happy rolling around with fucking Roger Gracie

Bisping was a much more technical much cleaner striker than Marvin and for all the pillowfist talk Mike got Marvins bubblefists make Bispings power look like Rumble. Marvin ain't beating Ping

Like I said- pre SFORCE Ping ( as in when all those guys came over )beats Marvin.

It's very hard for me to posture ping in any positive way ( for a myriad of reasons) but I'll give an honest take when asked-

 

[nostradumbass]

Damn I almost wanna know how good Silva would have done himself..... he is 0-3 against these guys.

Would Silva even be top5?? Hmmmm

He's not 0-3 against the guys on that list.

 

[BowserJr]

Ye Bisping was a weak champ but ppl are letting prolly Bisping take the Kelvin fight 2 weeks after he got his brain rattled and choked unconscious influence perspective

Bisping was hard AF to take down and even harder to keep down. Better wrestlers with better top games than Marvin failed to. Tim Kennedy was the only one and he had one of the most crushing top games in MMA and was a grappler who was happy rolling around with fucking Roger Gracie

Bisping was a much more technical much cleaner striker than Marvin and for all the pillowfist talk Mike got Marvins bubblefists make Bispings power look like Rumble. Marvin ain't beating Ping

He lost to every good wrestler he faced

Bisping is probably the easiest win for Vettori

 

[BowserJr]

Bruh the machida that fought Weidman for the belt smokes any version of vettori
Kennedy is the only guy on that whole list I can see losing, and I don't even know that. Jacare and Romero DESTROY him, and bisping had great striking and great takedown defence. It wouldn't be competitive.
The only guys in the current middleweight division that beat multiple of these guys are Izzy and Rob.
That is arguably the strongest mw has ever been

Ya man that was a beast division!

I could see jacare shitting the bed though. On paper he should win but you never know with him in big fights

 

[pankrat]

He's a nightmare matchup for Vitor imo. I think that looks a lot like the Vitor Vs Randy fights.

Some people maybe underrate Vettori but you are comparing his wrestling ability with Randy's....

Vettori would have lot of problems keeping Belfort down as anybody who wasnt a 220lbs standout wrestler, and Vettori has not shown that kind of wrestling prowess. Against who did he?

 

[chinarice]

He's not 0-3 against the guys on that list.

that isn't ViTRTor as stated in the OP.

He got on TRT after this fight

This is ViTRTor

 

[pankrat]

machida can lose to Phil Davis he can lose to vettori.

WTF is this textbook shertard logic.
Phil Davis manhandled current UFC champ Glover in the grappling department with ease. When has Vettori showed even close to that kind of grappling prowess? Never.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I dont think Vettori's wrestling is that impressive. Yes, he beats people with size and control, but so did Yushin Okami. I kind of see Marvin like that, not really explosive or dangerous, but can wear a guy out.

A lot of those guys on that list are way harder to take down than their martial arts backgrounds would suggest.

 

[pankrat]

He lost to every good wrestler he faced

That's an ignorant take, and even Sonnen himself disagrees which is funny.



On the other hand some of you are giving Marin's wrestling the same credit than to some of the best wrestler ever in the division, when he struggled with Omari or Mutante
A mix of ignorance and recency bias I guess

 

[pankrat]

I dont think Vettori's wrestling is that impressive. Yes, he beats people with size and control, but so did Yushin Okami. I kind of see Marvin like that, not really explosive or dangerous, but can wear a guy out.

A lot of those guys on that list are way harder to take down than their martial arts backgrounds would suggest.

Vettori steps into the cage close to 210lbs.

Okami never step into the cage above 200lbs, actually closer to 190, and fought at WW almost half of his career. Whatever Rogan hyped up is another story but Yushin was NOT a big MW, much less by modern standards

I agree both have a stiffling clinch/top game but I'd say Okami was more technical and Marvin more of a brute.

 

[acannxr]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

UFC's Middleweight rankings never had that exact top ten; by the time Mousasi entered the top ten (Jun 2014), ViTRTor no longer existed, and Romero was only ranked #11.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Vettori steps into the cage close to 210lbs.

Okami never step into the cage above 200lbs, actually closer to 190, and fought at WW almost half of his career. Whatever Rogan hyped up is another story but Yushin was NOT a big MW, much less by modern standards

I agree both have a stiffling clinch/top game but I'd say Okami was more technical and Marvin more of a brute.

I agree, I was going to say Okami is much more technical but less of a physical force. But wanted my post to be brief.

 

[JustOnce]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

I think he can beat Bisping. Maybe. 9~10th Maybe. Bisping's TDD is on point though.

 

[SherRoad Dogg]

Jacare - Marvin's got good enough TDD to keep it standing and he could out-grit Jacare over 5 rounds. Winnable fight for Marvin

Jacare can take him down