Vettori vs this top 10

[Local Plata]

Better than Bisping and Kennedy.

 

[Local Plata]

Vitor had 53% TDD.

I don't think Marvin would stand with him very long, he'd get in the clinch or shoot on him very shortly. But he could definitely get KO'd trying to do so.

That 53% doesn't really tell the whole story though. Eg. how many times did Randy get a 'takedown' when Vitor had pretty much just given up after the first minute or so of the fight. TRTitor did not get taken down once that I can remember.

 

[Tank's signed glove]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

Loses all.

 

[pankrat]

Ye Bisping was a weak champ but ppl are letting prolly Bisping take the Kelvin fight 2 weeks after he got his brain rattled and choked unconscious influence perspective

The Kelvin fight?

Dude, Thales Leites very arguably beat Bisping in a 25 minuts fight not long before Mike became champ with the upset of the decade.
I think Vettori vs Bisping is a close fight and winnable for both but Marvin could certainly replicate what Leites did.

 

[pankrat]

He probably grinds out some of the competition. This is PRE USADA so he can come in even bigger. He is probably the only one on the list that will wrestle and strike. Every guy on the list is a "striker" regardless what their original base was. Marvin is also has a solid chin and very decent cardio. It's pretty close with most of the guys on the list. Maybe he will lose a decision but I don't think he will get put out. He will dominate some other 185ers around that time like Lombard, Okami and Hendo.

He could beat guys as Okami, Hendo or even Lombard but he definitely would not "dominate" them. Those are tough fights for Vettori

 

[NoSmilez]

He could beat guys as Okami, Hendo or even Lombard but he definitely would not "dominate" them. Those are tough fights for Vettori

He has a block head and his cardio holds up. These are 30-27 fights for him. Well that is Vettori domination because that is what he does.

 

[ThunderStruck]

lol

when anderson was champ

"MW is the weakest division in the UFC"

- everyone

It was. You realize that Silva has only beat one of the guys mentionned in the OP?

 

[pankrat]

He has a block head and his cardio holds up. These are 30-27 fights for him. Well that is Vettori domination because that is what he does.

Vettori would have a hard time imposing his game on Okami or Henderson, mate.

Hendo did beat way more dangerous fighters than Marvin. Okami vs Vettori would mostly be a stalemate, lot of staring contest at range and clinch batttle.

Lombard's cardio issues make him very vulnerable in later rounds but while he is fresh, definitely make it competitive too.

Vettori can win but those are far from clear-cut 30-27 as you pretend.

 

[pankrat]

It was. You realize that Silva has only beat one of the guys mentionned in the OP?

Maia let clear enough how "weak" it was MW when he lost to out of top5 MW in Muñoz and soon after went to dominate the perennial #2 WW Fitch.

Biased narratives from Canadian fankiddos in sherdog. That's all you got and what you represent

 

[hottentot]

Beats Kennedy, and *maybe Bisping. Maybe Weidman too. That’s about it imo.

Why do you think he beats Kennedy? He was a very good fighter that had a competitive fight with this Cuban guy. What’s his name again… Getting old.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Maia let clear enough how "weak" it was MW when he lost to out of top5 MW in Muñoz and soon after went to dominate the perennial #2 WW Fitch.

Biased narratives from Canadian fankiddos in sherdog. That's all you got and what you represent

Thats called being undersized at MW. And he had about the same success at MW than he had at WW. Except at WW he was fighting guys his size, not bigger guys. That alone proves that MW isn't as strong as WW. How your brain can twist that logic around is a proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

Fitch was a perennial top 2 but he wasn't top 2 anymore at the time of the fight.

 

[NoSmilez]

Vettori would have a hard time imposing his game on Okami or Henderson, mate.

Hendo did beat way more dangerous fighters than Marvin. Okami vs Vettori would mostly be a stalemate, lot of staring contest at range and clinch batttle.

Lombard's cardio issues make him very vulnerable in later rounds but while he is fresh, definitely make it competitive too.

Vettori can win but those are far from clear-cut 30-27 as you pretend.

Who are the dangerous people Hendo consistently beat at 185 in the UFC?? Lombard has one win at 185 in the UFC.

 

[pankrat]

Who are the dangerous people Hendo consistently beat at 185 in the UFC??

Whats exactly your point with this reply?

First of all he did beat two UFC champions in Bustamante and Bisping by KO of the year among many other dangerous fighters at 185.

Regardless, Hendo weighted for his LHW bouts even less than Marvin does for his MW bouts. At the same time, he beat many guys who weighted about as much as Marvin does in fight night

...so whats exactly your point?

You dont give any credit to Marvin for his win over Costa because it happened at 205lbs? If thats your logic, going by on-paper "facts" only, it's cool but I disagree.

In that case though, who are the dangerous people Marvin "consistently" beat at 185? Kevin Holland, Karl Robertson?

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Okami would approach the fight as he did vs Marquardt, keeping it in the long range and forcing the clinch if Marvin tries to engage. If you think Vettori will dominate Okami in the clinch as he does Holland or most guys he has beat to date you are fooling yourself. It would look closer to Akhmedov vs Vettori.
If Marvin wins, it would be in a close fight as Okami vs Franklin or Okami vs Marquardt
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Lombard has the lesser chance imo for his cardio issues and reach dissadvantage but he was a dangerous fighter at either WW or MW.
If you need to look at his record it's on you but even in losses he showed to be legit and would certainly be one of Marvin's best wins at 185 in his career.

 

[pankrat]

Why do you think he beats Kennedy? He was a very good fighter that had a competitive fight with this Cuban guy. What’s his name again… Getting old.

Competitive fights with Romero and Jacare, and dominated Bisping as nobody did in the grappling department.

Many people here with full of recency bias who just discredit Kennedy because was not as much popular and looked very bad in his retirement fight after 2+ years of inactivity.

 

[kingmob6]

All in their prime? Only guy I'd put below Vettori would be Bisping. Everybody else on that list is elite or at least close to elite unlike Vettori. Vettori's biggest assets are that he's really durable and has great cardio. He's not very skilled especially compared to the guys on your list.

He does not have great Cardio, what are you talking about....did you see his fight against Adesanya? That was his biggest weakness, he was gassed after 2 rounds.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Where would you rank Vettori when MW had this top 10

Weidman
Rockhold
Machida
Mousasi
Romero
Jacare
Silva
ViTRTor
Bisping
Kennedy

Vettori destroys almost them all only TRT Vitor can stop Marvin.

Vitor had 53% TDD.

I don't think Marvin would stand with him very long, he'd get in the clinch or shoot on him very shortly. But he could definitely get KO'd trying to do so.

Exactly!!

People on here continually underrate Vettori, a guy with who's 8/10 at everything like that with insane cardio and an iron chin is a problem.

TRT Vitor destroy that chin.

They all beat him.

Nah I see him beating old MW Machida, Weidman, Rockhold and Romero too.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Competitive fights with Romero and Jacare, and dominated Bisping as nobody did in the grappling department.

Many people here with full of recency bias who just discredit Kennedy because was not as much popular and looked very bad in his retirement fight after 2+ years of inactivity.

Tim vs Kelvin :


Kelvin vs Jack :

Vettori vs Jack

Vettori also beat Paulo Costa which Romero couldn't, Tim doesn't have a chance.

 

[pankrat]

Tim vs Kelvin :


Kelvin vs Jack :

Vettori vs Jack

Vettori also beat Paulo Costa which Romero couldn't, Tim doesn't have a chance.

hahah MMA math taking Tim in his late 30 in his retirement fight after 2+ years of inactivity, and you dont even blush.
Well done follk, keep it up with the gif job

 

[pankrat]

Thats called being undersized at MW. And he had about the same success at MW than he had at WW. Except at WW he was fighting guys his size, not bigger guys. That alone proves that MW isn't as strong as WW. How your brain can twist that logic around is a proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

Fitch was a perennial top 2 but he wasn't top 2 anymore at the time of the fight.

So Maia, who is a HUGE WW, felt the need to move down a weight-class to remain competitive.
As expected, MW was indeed similarly "strong" at the top than the very next weight class in p4p terms, and superior in absolute terms.

Maia went 9-4 run at MW.
10-3 run in same nº of fights at WW, one of them the most controversial L of his career vs Shields and the other vs the champion already at 40 years old.

I think you can make great contributions in the video games room, this sick GSP fanboyism in a karate forum degenerated in a terribly delusional state of mind. It's a decade plus of this sickness. You can get out of this, seek help if you need to.

 

[RiotWyatt]

All in their prime? Only guy I'd put below Vettori would be Bisping. Everybody else on that list is elite or at least close to elite unlike Vettori. Vettori's biggest assets are that he's really durable and has great cardio. He's not very skilled especially compared to the guys on your list.

Not even Bisping for me. Bisping was a damn good scrambler. If he got taken down, he would get back on his feet and box up Vetorri.