Vettori vs this top 10

[pankrat]

Also if I wanted to do true MMA Math I could just tell you that Yoel beat every guy he faced from that top 10 and lost to every guy he faced from the current top 5.

And this would summarize your logic. MMA math with a guy at 42.

 

[pankrat]

Do you realise Israel won a unanimous decision against Gastelum and a split decision against Vettori? He probably took more damage on the fight against Gastelum, but he was literally closer to lose against Vettori.
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I mean...if you want to stick to that UD vs SD dettail as if we didnt actually watched the fights is cool but honestly, that only confirms in my eyes that your argument is pretty cheap.

Do you realise Israel won a unanimous decision against Gastelum and a split decision against Vettori? He probably took more damage on the fight against Gastelum, but he was literally closer to lose against Vettori.
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I give Whittaker full-credit as the #2 MW of his generation becuase he has proved his worth against top fighters of many different styles.

If I asked you who is the best wrestler Vettori faced you answer Hermansson...and Hermansson, the tale ends there. Well maybe Akhmedov, which resulted in a draw.

You are giving Vettori full credit basically because of that thing called recency bias.

Let me know in dettail about that evolution in Brunson already in his late 30s after a decade plus in the sport. Not vague generalizations about "evolving" but actual aspects of his skill set in which we appreciate a clear evolution. And tell me againt who he showed them, like Elias Theodorou or who exactly who compared with the guys listed in the OP.

Because we do know that Brunson is in a major org since 2011, by the time of the list in OP he was barely even ranked yet in 2021 at 38 years old he is #4, as high as he has ever being, and you will tell me that is because some vague "evolution" as if I didnt followed his career lol

 

[BowserJr]

VS

I don't see how Bisping is going to beat a young monster like Costa, I see him being KO'd like he was against Hendo Prime.

by the way Bisping is the biggest pussy of all time waited for Hendo to make 46 for the rematch, I really liked it when Gastelum raped him.

Do you think Larry Holmes at his peak beats Ali at his peak?

Posting losses of guys when their out of their prime doesn't mean shit. Only a fool thinks it does.

Bisping is a pushy and weak compared to most top 10 MW in any era. That being said he's a tough matchup for Costa cuz of his foot work and speed. I could see Costa KOing Ping which would be great but I could also see Ping winning a decision

 

[pankrat]

by the way Bisping is the biggest pussy of all time waited for Hendo to make 46 for the rematch, I really liked it when Gastelum raped him.

Do you think Larry Holmes at his peak beats Ali at his peak?

Posting losses of guys when their out of their prime doesn't mean shit. Only a fool thinks it does.

Bisping is a pushy and weak compared to most top 10 MW in any era. That being said he's a tough matchup for Costa cuz of his foot work and speed. I could see Costa KOing Ping which would be great but I could also see Ping winning a decision

You sherbros calling Bisping pussy, a guy who became UFC champ literally with on eye, one knee and ton of mileage and epic KO losses on his shoulders, is trully rdiculous

Not just that I say so, Bisping is widely recognized by fellow fighters as one of the toughest, grittiest men in the sport, even thought they often mock at the same time his limitations as a fighter. But you sherbros calling him a "pussy"?

 

[Doctor Grudge]

How many people on that list did Silva fight? And how did the fights he did have go? Granted he was getting on when he fought Weidman & Bisping, but your point doesn’t make any sense

....my point was that Silva's middleweight division was underrated.....and that this list isn't the same era as Silva's reign. They're two separate points.

It's in plain English and is factual. I did not mention anything about Silva beating the guys on the list.

Are you confusing me with someone else?

 

[GUY]

I mean...if you want to stick to that UD vs SD dettail as if we didnt actually watched the fights is cool but honestly, that only confirms in my eyes that your argument is pretty cheap.



I give Whittaker full-credit as the #2 MW of his generation becuase he has proved his worth against top fighters of many different styles.

If I asked you who is the best wrestler Vettori faced you answer Hermansson...and Hermansson, the tale ends there. Well maybe Akhmedov, which resulted in a draw.

You are giving Vettori full credit basically because of that thing called recency bias.

Let me know in dettail about that evolution in Brunson already in his late 30s after a decade plus in the sport. Not vague generalizations about "evolving" but actual aspects of his skill set in which we appreciate a clear evolution. And tell me againt who he showed them, like Elias Theodorou or who exactly who compared with the guys listed in the OP.

Because we do know that Brunson is in a major org since 2011, by the time of the list in OP he was barely even ranked yet in 2021 at 38 years old he is #4, as high as he has ever being, and you will tell me that is because some vague "evolution" as if I didnt followed his career lol

I think you can see the evolution of the sport because Israel has better wrestling defense than Silva or Machida and Vettori has better striking than Weidman or Sonnen.

 

[GUY]

And this would summarize your logic. MMA math with a guy at 42.

was he 27 when he faced the guys from the previous top 10? Some of those fights happened pretty close in time. Anyway, I didnt use it as my main argument.

 

[pick999]

beats bisping maybe Kennedy

 

[pankrat]

I think you can see the evolution of the sport because Israel has better wrestling defense than Silva or Machida and Vettori has better striking than Weidman or Sonnen.

haha if this is not a noob comment tell me what it is.

Israel has been taken down in his last two fights by strikers. Machida used to defend the TDs of Phil Davis who mopped the floor with Glover Teixeira and is ten times a better wrestler than anybody Israel has ever fought.

Be honest please, when did you start following mma? Do you honestly know what you r talkng about when you talk about these dudes? It's pretty evident that you dont.

You also compare Vettori with Weidman and Sonnen as if Marvin was the same caliber of wrestler than them "but with better striking" haha WTF

Vettori who is mainly a striker and picked up wrestling already in his 20s, you are selling him in this forum like a wrestler in the caliber of those standout wrestlers.

Whatever mate. Have a good day

 

[GUY]

haha if this is not a noob comment tell me what it is.

Israel has been taken down in his last two fights by strikers. Machida used to defend the TDs of Phil Davis who mopped the floor with Glover Teixeira and is ten times a better wrestler than anybody Israel has ever fought.

Be honest please, when did you start following mma? Do you honestly know what you r talkng about when you talk about these dudes? It's pretty evident that you dont.

You also compare Vettori with Weidman and Sonnen as if Marvin was the same caliber of wrestler than them "but with better striking" haha WTF

Vettori who is mainly a striker and picked up wrestling already in his 20s, you are selling him in this forum like a wrestler in the caliber of those standout wrestlers.

Whatever mate. Have a good day

You mean in the fight Machida lost to Phil Davis for being taken down? Anyway, I won't reply anymore. Don't feel like having an argument. You will have to go beat your wife or something.

 

[pankrat]

You mean in the fight Machida lost to Phil Davis for being taken down?/QUOTE]

Yes, the highly controversial split decision with vs a wrestler who is ten times the caliber Vettori is. You see the level of your arguments?

Anyway, I won't reply anymore. Don't feel like having an argument. You will have to go beat your wife or something.

What is this?

Hey if you are an ignorant who make arguments behind fight finder (you didnt even watch Davis vs Mchida) and claim Vettori is a wrestler in the league of Davis or Weidman dont get offended if you are called an ignorant noob. You are not fooling anyone prick.

 

[BowserJr]

I think you can see the evolution of the sport because Israel has better wrestling defense than Silva or Machida and Vettori has better striking than Weidman or Sonnen.

Izzy hasn't really faced grapplers the caliber Silva face and weidman was a way better striker than vetorri

 

[SherRoad Dogg]

Around that time is when Machida beat Mousasi or Muñoz.
Why Marvin should be favoured to beat him?

Marvin beats everyone except Rockhold. Weidman, Jacare are close fights