Vettori vs this top 10

[SG123]

People did used to say that, and it was really dumb.

Though a lot of these guys are more post Silva era.

How many people on that list did Silva fight? And how did the fights he did have go? Granted he was getting on when he fought Weidman & Bisping, but your point doesn’t make any sense

 

[pankrat]

How many people on that list did Silva fight? And how did the fights he did have go? Granted he was getting on when he fought Weidman & Bisping, but your point doesn’t make any sense

That list is from around 2015. How many guys in WW rankings around 2015 fought GSP? Did fought Hendricks but how did the fight go?
Silva is also 5 years older than GSP.

I dont think that proves MW or WW back in the day were weak anyways. But the narrative of Silva's MW division was "weak" while GSP's WW was "strong" is absurd, and mostly pushed by GSP fanboys in sherdog.

 

[GOATtalks]

Yeah, and Rob would be a clear favourite over Marvin you moron. Not by a controversial dec / draw. A favourite to beat him handly. Marvin in his athletic prime, let alone when he reach his 40s.

Tell me some more MMA math, fight-finder analysis, and recency bias. Actually no, not interested. Have a good day.

Stop back pedalling, you fucker!

I just proved you wrong several times and you try to shift the conversation in a another direction.

Let’s get it straight.

1. The same Yoel who beat Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold, lost to Rob, Izzy and Costa. Nothing indicates that top10 in OP is stronger than current top10.

2. Top10 in OP all have losing records to current top10 guys.

3. Marvin has beat a high level striker ( Holland), a high level grappler ( Hermansson) and a high level well rounded beast ( Costa). He also survived 8 rounds against Izzy, winning some of them. Vettori is an elite MMA fighter, like it or not.

4. There’s nothing that would indicate Vettori wouldn’t beat or have very close fights with the top10 in OP. All stats and common opponents are in favour of Vettori.

You have a hard case of past bias, go see a doctor!

 

[pankrat]

Stop back pedalling, you fucker!

I just proved you wrong several times and you try to shift the conversation in a another direction.

Let’s get it straight.

1. The same Yoel who beat Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold, lost to Rob, Izzy and Costa. Nothing indicates that top10 in OP is stronger than current top10.

2. Top10 in OP all have losing records to current top10 guys.

3. Marvin has beat a high level striker ( Holland), a high level grappler ( Hermansson) and a high level well rounded beast ( Costa). He also survived 8 rounds against Izzy, winning some of them. Vettori is an elite MMA fighter, like it or not.

4. There’s nothing that would indicate Vettori wouldn’t beat or have very close fights with the top10 in OP. All stats and common opponents are in favour of Vettori.

You have a hard case of past bias, go see a doctor!

Ok darling, another wall of text filled with fight-finder, recency bias and MMA maths involving guys pushing 40s with new comers in their athletic prime. Take you shertard award and move on

 

[GOATtalks]

MW is pretty terrible considering Derek Brunson in his late 30s has made a late career resurgence.

Who has he beat though? Till who was 1-1 at MW, with the lone win being a split decision. Kevin Holland isn’t even top10 anymore and would get fucked by any wrestler. And green Edmen who is on the edge of being cut from UFC.
Will see how successful Brunson is against the top dogs of the division like Izzy, Whittaker, Marvin or Costa. Jared is a good test as well.
Also Brunson improved a lot lately

 

[GOATtalks]

Ok darling, another wall of text filled with fight-finder, recency bias and MMA maths involving guys pushing 40s with new comers in their athletic prime. Take you shertard award and move on

Yoel beat Weidman and Rockhold who were both in their athletic primes, yet lost to Rob, Izzy and Costa. Want to elaborate on that?

 

[pankrat]

Yoel beat Weidman and Rockhold who were both in their athletic primes, yet lost to Rob, Izzy and Costa. Want to elaborate on that?

I did.
You just can't grasp anything tought process beyond reading W/L stats and drawing conclussions from MMA math involving guys pushing 40s with newcomers in their athletic prime.

I already gave you the shertard award, what else do you want from me?

 

[GOATtalks]

I did.
You just can't grasp anything tought process beyond reading W/L stats and drawing conclussions from MMA math involving guys pushing 40s with newcomers in their athletic prime.

I already gave you the shertard award, what else do you want from me?

No, you have not.

Weidman nd Rockhold were both in their primes when a 40 year old Romero beat them. The same Romero lost to Rob x2, Izzy and Costa. Yet you claim Chris and Luke are better than Rob, Izzy and Costa, providing no evidence to that claim.

Come on, try to formulate an argument! It’s shouldn’t be that hard!

 

[pankrat]

No, you have not.

Weidman nd Rockhold were both in their primes when a 40 year old Romero beat them. The same Romero lost to Rob x2, Izzy and Costa. Yet you claim Chris and Luke are better than Rob, Izzy and Costa, providing no evidence to that claim.

Come on, try to formulate an argument! It’s shouldn’t be that hard!

I didnt claim they were better than Rob or Izzy, do not lie, dont be so cute.
We were talking about Marinv. Yes, I think Romero is better than Marvin.

No more fight finder analysis and MMA maths involving guys in his 40s with youngs in their athletic prime. We already know what you got. I gave you the holly shertard award. What else do you want from me, dude?

 

[GUY]

if we are talking about facing them at the time the ranks looked like that I say he beats everyone except Romero. If we are talking about facing each one on their primes it may be different.

 

[GOATtalks]

I didnt claim they were better than Rob or Izzy, do not lie, dont be so cute.
We were talking about Marinv. Yes, I think Romero is better than Marvin.

No more fight finder analysis and MMA maths involving guys in his 40s with youngs in their athletic prime. We already know what you got. I gave you the holly shertard award. What else do you want from me, dude?

I like how you excluded Costa. Lol
You’re basically admitting defeat.
Marvin beat Costa, that’s why you didn’t mention him, because it proves my point.

Keep the award bro, you deserve it more!

 

[pankrat]

I like how you excluded Costa. Lol
You’re basically admitting defeat.
Marvin beat Costa, that’s why you didn’t mention him, because it proves my point.

Keep the award bro, you deserve it more!

The awarded shertard feeling winner with yet another MMA math. In this case involving a 42 years old man. Trully derserving award.

 

[GOATtalks]

The awarded shertard feeling winner with yet another MMA math. In this case involving a 42 years old man. Trully derserving award.

Glover Teixera is a 42 year old man and he’s not even close in terms of athleticism to Yoel. Yoel didn’t lose to Costa, because he lacked athleticism. He was as strong, fast and powerful as always. Costa just beat him, deal with it.

Age isn’t the only deciding factor in who wins a fight. That must be hard for you to comprehend

 

[pankrat]

Glover Teixera is a 42 year old man and he’s not even close in terms of athleticism to Yoel. Yoel didn’t lose to Costa, because he lacked athleticism. He was as strong, fast and powerful as always. Costa just beat him, deal with it.

Age isn’t the only deciding factor in who wins a fight. That must be hard for you to comprehend

Glover Teixeira, much respect to him, is champion to a large extent because UFC decided to not pay guys as Phil Davis (who mopped the floor with a better version of Glover) among other top talent at LHW.
Of course, like a textbook shertard, none of this gets into your though process. Because this is what you got:

UFC shill + fight-finder analysis + mma math involving dudes in the decline at his 40s with newcomers at 29 + whole lot of erecency bias = a textbook shertard delivering UBER simpleton takes

Take your award and move on.

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

He'd be top ten. His cardio and chin alone would help him get some big wins.

This. His style and fighting southpaw would be a problem for anyone on that list.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I'd only favour him over Ping and Tim.

 

[J-Pac]

He loses to all of them by being way less skilled.

 

[pankrat]

This. His style and fighting southpaw would be a problem for anyone on that list.

Vettori is a tough dude for anybody. But the guys on that list, at the moment of that list which is before Usada btw, would also be a problem for him

 

[RockyLockridge]

It's you who brought Silva's tittle challengers in order to discredit them.
I applied the exact same logic you did and, what a surprise, you get hysterical.

Maia is the "weak" tittle contender who then moves to the "strong" WW and remains a tittle contender for years until well into his 40s.

Ellenberger who you mentioned as the new generation of WW killers... got KOed by another "weak" former MW in Kampmann.

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I replied to your assumption about the "image of MW being weak". I told you that "image" was largely a narrative of Canadian fanboys in sherdog. An you end up being buddy buddy with Thunderstruck hahaha dont get hysterical though Lockridge

Okay whatever you say all I said was cheal wouldn't beat the people on that list but I'm also agreeing that BJ or alvez wouldn't beat the people on the other list you're just autistic you're clearly in love with George at. Pierre and honestly I fucking hate Maia and I don't think he's a good fighter even at a welterweight he beat an over the hill condit who has a weakness to grappling big fucking deal. Anyways have a nice day nerd and btw gsp > Silva. Sleep tight

 

[pankrat]

I fucking hate Maia and I don't think he's a good fighter

Venga, para cama.