Usyk vs Mike Tyson

[Pboxingfan123]

I absolutely love Usyk but lets take a breath and relax... He has to focus on his rematch vs Joshua which is no easy fight imo with Joshua coming in desperate and with a different game plan.

 

[stuff jones]

Usyk by sweet science fatality before the opening bell.

 

[smooth assassin]

I absolutely love Usyk but lets take a breath and relax... He has to focus on his rematch vs Joshua which is no easy fight imo with Joshua coming in desperate and with a different game plan.

I think usyk got him figured out, and has a much higher fight iq, he made adjustments to his adjustments
I think now that usyk is more familiar with him that he will have an easier time next time around

 

[DoNoootin]

I think that Mike Tyson beats basically everybody ever, including Usyk.

He gets remembered as a knockout artist, which of course he was, but some people seem to think he was just a big puncher and threw bombs... he doesn't get enough credit for how technical he was; his head movement, the speed, the combinations... sometimes 5, 6 fucking punches at a time all over your body...

He was also amazing at slipping jabs, which he had to be due to being the smaller guy in the division... the peek-a-boo style was just made for him. I think it would be competitive fight but Tyson would eventually catch him.

 

[Juub]

No he wouldn't.
Most of Tysons opponents were 6'3 or taller.

Big might be the wrong word. He wouldn’t be undersized like he is now though. Didn’t have lots of 6’6-6’7 guys running around back then. Still not that many now, but it’s much more common and even 6’4-6’5 guys aren’t that big these days.

 

[GeneTunney7]

If Tyson could not take out Buster Douglas, 0% chance he takes out Usyk. Even tho Usyk seems 'small" compared to Joshua, he would be huge compared to Tyson. 6'3 is Holmes size -a large heavyweight for yesteryear - but Usyk moves like a flyweight.

Big John Fury has been telling everyone for ages that Usyk was the best besides his son, Tyson, but no one wanted to listen because he was not some shredded, English speaking, body builder looking mofo. These Russian fighters are really taking over the sport, but they lack the push these western fighters get. The fight game always makes the mistake of pushing guys solely because of their looks/talking ability/non fighting orientated traits, and that is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Juub]

If Tyson could not take out Buster Douglas, 0% chance he takes out Usyk. Even tho Usyk seems 'small" compared to Joshua, he would be huge compared to Tyson. 6'3 is Holmes size -a large heavyweight for yesteryear - but Usyk moves like a flyweight.

Big John Fury has been telling everyone for ages that Usyk was the best besides his son, Tyson, but no one wanted to listen because he was not some shredded, English speaking, body builder looking mofo. These Russian fighters are really taking over the sport, but they lack the push these western fighters get. The fight game always makes the mistake of pushing guys solely because of their looks/talking ability/non fighting orientated traits, and that is a recipe for disaster.

Huh? These Eastern European guys were at one point the dominant force until they faded out of existence.

At one point you had the Klitcshko brothers, Nikolai Valuev, Ruslan Chagaev, and Sultan Ibragimov all competing at once and holding all the belts at heavyweight. Their "takeover" isn’t recent and there are less of them than about 13 years ago.

And also, people seem to forget how tiny Tyson was. I don’t think we’ll ever see a 5’10” heavyweight champ ever again.

 

[Juub]

If Tyson could not take out Buster Douglas, 0% chance he takes out Usyk. Even tho Usyk seems 'small" compared to Joshua, he would be huge compared to Tyson. 6'3 is Holmes size -a large heavyweight for yesteryear - but Usyk moves like a flyweight.

Big John Fury has been telling everyone for ages that Usyk was the best besides his son, Tyson, but no one wanted to listen because he was not some shredded, English speaking, body builder looking mofo. These Russian fighters are really taking over the sport, but they lack the push these western fighters get. The fight game always makes the mistake of pushing guys solely because of their looks/talking ability/non fighting orientated traits, and that is a recipe for disaster.

I just checked Tyson’s opponents and 6’3” wouldn’t be particularly big. It was large in the time of Ali but by the mid 90’s, it was pretty average. Today it’s probably closer to being small though.

 

[Roids]

What the hell is going on here? Douglas fought like an ATG vs Tyson, the jab, combinations, output, and aggression was a league over what Usyk showed vs a tentative AJ. He struggled with Chisora and you muppets are now talking Prime Tyson? lul!

The guys who went the distance with prime Tyson basically just survived and clinched.

but Usyk moves like a flyweight.

No he doesn't. His speed is not amazing to me. You are acting like he has jaw dropping speed. That would be prime Mike.

 

[Juub]

Lol at the excuses. A career journeyman beat Tyson. Come on guys.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

Usyk would've broken Tyson's back.....spinal.

 

[GeneTunney7]

I just checked Tyson’s opponents and 6’3” wouldn’t be particularly big. It was large in the time of Ali but by the mid 90’s, it was pretty average. Today it’s probably closer to being small though.

Usyk is considered a 'small' heavyweight by today's standards but would still tower of Tyson. Just look at what Holyfield did to Tyson.

I just do not buy that Mike Tyson was much better when he was younger. He simply was fighting bums and over the hill fighters in showcase events. If he could not finish Mitch Green, Bonecrusher Smith and James Tillis, how on earth is he going to finish Usyk? Is he going to out box him? Doubtful. Mike Tyson was like Royce Gracie, and he was good but had all the hype and a system set up to make him look good. Had he fought Holyfield, Lewis or Bowe earlier, the empire of cards likely would have come crashing down before Buster got the chance to do so. In many way Tyson was like AJ: dark skinned, muscle bound, KO specialist hype train, but did not have the skill to put him in that next level stratosphere.

Boxing, like all sports, is improving with age too and Usyk is at the forefront of that progression.

 

[Rob-G]

Usually the guys who survived 12 were the ones fighting to survive. Usyk isn't gonna come in to tie up Tyson he's gonna throw punches and that's how he's gonna taste speed he never encountered before

That is a good point, but, I think you underestimate Usyk’s ability to adapt! You are right, Tillis, Tucker, Green, and Smith all clinched quite a bit vs. Tyson. Quick Tillis was pretty damn smart about it though. Dance around and work like Ali on the outside, clinch when Tyson got too close. Smith was ridiculous though lol! I know Usyk is lots of angles and high guard, but just my opinion, he’s a very smart fighter and I think he’d adapt to make it the distance vs. Tyson. My favorite thing about Usyk is how relaxed and patient he can be. Like that Pedro Rodriguez fight. I know Pedro Rodriguez is a million levels below Tyson, but just the way right out of the gate Pedro Rodriguez came out swinging bombs after bombs at Usyk, Usyk just kept his cool, let Rodriguez punch himself out in just a few rounds, and like almost immediately after Usyk turns up the pressure to fire back Rodriguez was done. I just think Usyk is a REALLY smart fighter. Of course Tyson is too. I think Usyk survives though. He always has a solid game plan for no matter what type of style his opponent brings. And Usyk seems to perform better against bigger challenges

 

[Roids]

Usyk is considered a 'small' heavyweight by today's standards but would still tower of Tyson. Just look at what Holyfield did to Tyson.

I just do not buy that Mike Tyson was much better when he was younger. He simply was fighting bums and over the hill fighters in showcase events. If he could not finish Mitch Green, Bonecrusher Smith and James Tillis, how on earth is he going to finish Usyk? Is he going to out box him? Doubtful. Mike Tyson was like Royce Gracie, and he was good but had all the hype and a system set up to make him look good. Had he fought Holyfield, Lewis or Bowe earlier, the empire of cards likely would have come crashing down before Buster got the chance to do so. In many way Tyson was like AJ: dark skinned, muscle bound, KO specialist hype train, but did not have the skill to put him in that next level stratosphere.

Boxing, like all sports, is improving with age too and Usyk is at the forefront of that progression.

You might have broken the world record for stuffing the most amount of stupid into a single post. From comparing the skill set of a prime tyson to AJ, to claiming the olympic gold medalists and 9 world champions that Tyson dispatched through his title run were bums. Yes how the hell could a prime Tyson out box Usyk when Chisora almost did a few months ago!

 

[Stuart0502]

Guess I gotta be the guy that sounds like a complete idiot lol, but I think Usyk could give prime Tyson a pretty good fight. I’m not saying Usyk will win, but I don’t think Tyson steamrolls Usyk in one round. I think Usyk could go the distance and make it competitive. Prime Tyson couldn’t knockout Tillis, Bonecrusher, Blood Green, Jerry Curl that broke his hand, etc.. It’s not impossible to believe someone could make it the distance with Tyson. With what I’ve seen from Usyk I think he gives Tyson a good run for his money. Tyson UD in a competitive fight

Not really a controversial opinion to say that Usyk would lose a competitive decision considering that people are saying prime Tyson was a myth and Usyk would stop Tyson.

 

[Stuart0502]

I just do not buy that Mike Tyson was much better when he was younger. He simply was fighting bums and over the hill fighters in showcase events.

If you actually spent some time watching prime Tyson you would find he embodies the sweet science every bit as much as Usyk, albeit in a more violent and explosive way.

 

[GeneTunney7]

If you actually spent some time watching prime Tyson you would find he embodies the sweet science every bit as much as Usyk, albeit in a more violent and explosive way.

Of course I watched Tyson and am well aware of his style and skill. i remember watching him live on TV before he was even a champion, blowing thru bums on a monthly basis and getting all the wolf tickets. Still, that style is essentially the same that all Cus trained fighters used and is essentially a 1950's style. Tyson gets more hype than any fighter of all time, people ooh and ahh at his shadow boxing, but i still maintain he was not as good as many seem to think and would be pieced up by Tyson Fury and Usyk, not to mention any version of Lewis or HW Holyfield. Usyk is a true modern fighter, more evolved than Tyson, larger and I just do not see Tyson winning that fight aside from a quick KO. If Tyson could not bully fighters, get his way, he crumbled quickly - great hammer, bad nail - and Usyk would have frustrated as badly as Holyfield did.

 

[GeneTunney7]

You might have broken the world record for stuffing the most amount of stupid into a single post. From comparing the skill set of a prime tyson to AJ, to claiming the olympic gold medalists and 9 world champions that Tyson dispatched through his title run were bums. Yes how the hell could a prime Tyson out box Usyk when Chisora almost did a few months ago!

Nice strawman. Were Holmes and Spinks world champions? Yes. Were they way past their prime as well? Yes. There is no denying the lions share of opponents Tyson was being fed in the late 80's were hand picked jobbers to help pad his record.

Again, if he could not finish Tillis, Green and Smith, do you really think he finishes Usyk? I sure don't. Look what happened when he fought someone that would not fall to his early assault, was not over the hill and could box - he quit and got beat. And when he fought a guy like Holyfield, who also came up from cruiserweight so negated that speed advantage he had over these giant dopey and slow heavyweights, he got so frustrated that he bit his ear off.

Maybe you buy that Tyson was a totally different and better fighter in the late 80's, when he was going the distance with Mitch Green, but I don't - Tyson always looked great vs the Peter McNeeley's of the world and looked bad vs the Holyfield's and Lewis types (see the accounts of Lewis early spars w/ Tyson where he got his ass beat).

And just lol if you think Chisora almost beat Usyk. And Chisora is alot bigger than Tyson ever was, he too is a modern heavyweight, and I fail to see the comparison between styles in how Usyk would do vs Tyson. If Tyson does not KO Usyk early, he gets out boxed and frustrated. This game, like all sports, improves with time. Do you think Rocky Marciano beats Deontay Wilder?

 

[Roids]

Nice strawman. Were Holmes and Spinks world champions? Yes. Were they way past their prime as well? Yes. There is no denying the lions share of opponents Tyson was being fed in the late 80's were hand picked jobbers to help pad his record.

The fact you think an undefeated and 32 year old, active Spinks was past his prime , just demonstrates you have no clue what you are talking about. btw I stated 9 world champions. How many champions has Usyk defeated? or Fury or AJ? Every HW fights a bunch of jobbers at the start of their careers. Fury is still fighting them today.

Again, if he could not finish Tillis, Green and Smith, do you really think he finishes Usyk?

I was not aware this debate was whether he finishes Usyk?

Look what happened when he fought someone that would not fall to assault, was not over the hill and could box - he quit and got beat.

So you are claiming that Tyson lost every time he fought someone who could resist his assault? Ever watched his Ruddock fights?

And when he fought a guy like Holyfield, who also came up from cruiserweight so negated that speed advantage he had over these giant dopey and slow heavyweights, he got so frustrated that he bit his ear off

Now you are comparing Holyfield to Usyk in terms of ability? lol. If you know anything about boxing you will know the post prison Tyson was a far more 1 dimensional fighter, and not very active so not in his prime. Those 'slow dopey' heavy weights were actually fast, tough talented fighters, 9 of which were world champions.

Maybe you buy that Tyson was a totally different and better fighter in the late 80's, when he was going the distance with Mitch Green, but I don't - Tyson always looked great vs the Peter McNeeley's of the world and looked bad vs the Holyfield's and Lewis types (see the accounts of Lewis early spars w/ Tyson where he got his ass beat).

I wonder whats worse, going the distance with mitch green while winning every round vs winning a close decision vs chisora? hmmm. The fact you needed to chose two ATG to portray Tyson as looking bad, just proves how good he was, also ignoring that he fought Lewis at a point in his career where he struggled with a past prime, Botha.

And just lol if you think Chisora almost beat Usyk. And Chisora is alot bigger than Tyson ever was, he too is a modern heavyweight, and I fail to see the comparison between styles in how Usyk would do vs Tyson. If Tyson does not KO Usyk early, he gets out boxed and frustrated. This game, like all sports, improves with time.

Oh ok now Chisora is also more skilled than a prime Tyson. Gold.

 

[listrahtes]

Maybe you buy that Tyson was a totally different and better fighter in the late 80's, when he was going the distance with Mitch Green, but I don't - Tyson always looked great vs the Peter McNeeley's of the world and looked bad vs the Holyfield's and Lewis types (see the accounts of Lewis early spars w/ Tyson where he got his ass beat).

At last someone able to distance himself from the hype around Tyson. Thank you a lot! Tyson was a fantastic boxer but the way he is hyped up and overrated nowadays really is maddening.

The Holmes fight always gets brought up because Holmes did well later on but Holmes took that fight short notice out of retirement and even according to Tyson himself "didnt have time to prepare". King brought him in as a sacrifical lamb to build up Tyson. Spinks was a good win and Ruddock but like you wrote every time he stepped up competition he got beat. I also like his Golota win. Tyson was still in his prime in the 90s only the opposition was a lot better.

I think the defining fight in how to asess is Buster Douglas. There you can identify all the fanboys. King planted all myths after the loss about Tyson not being prepared, only partying, taking Buster light...etc and King even tried to get Douglas DQd but the reality was that Tyson fought just like before and like later vs. Holyfield etc. He looked great at the beginning but the difference now was an opponent who also had skills and would not back down. The result always was the same.

Regarding Usyk Tyson certainly could catch Usyk in the early rounds with his speed and timing. The longer the fight goes the more he looses that fight as he could never deal with this kind of adversity.
If Usyk manages to read him and avoid Tysons offense Mike would have gotten frustrated even earlier.
I see that fight as 50/50.