Economy US-EU deal sets a 15% tariff on most goods and averts the threat of a trade war with a global shock

Yup, they did do that and yes, it's not good. The EU blew a bunch of money on military projects which will never get finished and it's likely a good size chunk of their domestic defence industry will get squeezed out & bankrupted since they've now committed to buying US military goods. It takes a special kind of stupid like Trump & von de Leyen to come up with an agreement this dumb.
Bad EU.
U.K obiviously should be incorporated in Russia today if you are talking about weapons.

U.K had failed last ICBM launch test.... and it was with outcome: next stage falling in ocean. Grant was " happy ".
Yanks and french had did successfully..at least this.
 
Kind of funny to watch the media trying to clean up this mess they tried to make. First it was "tariffs are the apocalypse! Trump will destroy the American economy!" now its "OK, I guess the trade war hasn't been THAT bad for America..."
 
Sorry, I was looking at the net exports on my charts instead of the gross exports. However, my point remains, the US is still far short of $250 billion in total oil & gas exports. You have a bit over 4 million barrels/day in gross oil exports which works out to around $120 billion at $80/barrel which was the average price last year. For natural gas it's 7.7 trillion cubic feet at a price of a bit over $5 per 1000 cubic foot which works out to about $40 billion. That's a total of $160 billion in oil & gas exports, far less than the $318 billion you claim, the US would still need to ramp up production significantly and roughly double its total exports to supply the EU with $250 billion/year in energy without cutting off the rest of its customers.
Wrong. Don't move the goalposts. The $318bn figure I cited was for energy as that was the term you used in your post. And don't think I've forgotten your claim that we can't produce more than 25% of this capacity at most.
You can't fucking buy $250 billion in energy from the US since that's like 4-5 times more than what the US can export in a year, and the production capacity & export infrastructure doesn't exist and can't be built any time in the next decade even if the US wanted to.
You're a laymen like the rest of us with no clue what our capability for ramping up output is.

The US is not Saudi Arabia, it can't just open up the taps and put an extra few million barrels/day on the market overnight. Increasing US oil production requires a shitload of drilling & fracking which is both time consuming & expensive as hell. It can be done but you're looking at a 5-10 year time frame, it's not going to happen anytime during Trump's term.
You clearly don't know anything about the US's oil & gas production. I've seen reports over the years in our papers that in places like Dickinson, North Dakota, for example, we have been burning off more fuel daily than we export just because it didn't have a buyer, or because prices were low, or because they hadn't yet developed sufficient transport but didn't care about the overflow wastes so long as they maintained drilling production, and things like that. This has been going on for more than a decade. Here's an old example related to the topic:

Flaring burns more than $100 million a month in North Dakota

NEW YORK -- Oil drillers in North Dakota's Bakken shale fields are allowing nearly a third of the natural gas they drill to burn off into the air, with a value of more than $100 million per month, according to a study to be released on Monday.
I get it. You don't like the deal, you hate Trump, so you made up your mind to feel negatively about all facets of it beforehand, and now you're pontificating about things you know nothing about because you have a search engine, and you confuse accessible knowledge with acquired knowledge.

Please spare us your ignorance. I don't particularly like the deal, myself, but you're parroting stuff you saw on the internet, and you're forcing the rest of us to suffer your confirmation bias you're reinforcing with nothing more than crap you fetch with a search engine after the fact. You have no idea what you're talking about, and frankly, I've learned as I've gotten older the people who write those articles tend to know as little as you.
 
Apparently $28 billion taken in this month and still counting. This year now up to over $150B in tariff revenue.

If they can keep this up, along with do some more recessions, might actually be effective at taking on the deficit

 
It's a shit deal for us euros.
i'd challenge anyone to tell me what exactly did WE get out of it.
and no rhetorical stuff like "the renewal of trade" or "economic predictability" or other shit like that. i already read EU Commission statements, i don't need more of that wooden tongue.
EU thinks it ties America closer to Europe as an ally. This means further away from Russia.
 
I get it. You don't like the deal, you hate Trump, so you made up your mind to feel negatively about all facets of it beforehand, and now you're pontificating about things you know nothing about because you have a search engine, and you confuse accessible knowledge with acquired knowledge.
Damn.
Brutal
 
This looks like more grandstanding to me this agreement isn’t even legally binding , to me looks like that lady just wants the meeting to be over ,she knows he’ll be out of office way bf these deals even are realistically possible.

  • The $750 billion energy purchase is ambitious and potentially unrealistic: Analysts have expressed skepticism about the feasibility of the EU meeting this target, as it would require a nearly tenfold increase in US energy imports and significant infrastructure adjustments in the US, according to The Wall Street Journal. Furthermore, private companies, rather than governments, primarily make energy purchasing decisions within the EU, based on market prices and demand rather than political directives.
  • The 15% tariff may impact European exporters: While the EU has committed to buying more US energy, the 15% tariff on most European imports into the US may negatively impact European businesses, particularly those in sectors like automotive, industrial machinery, and agriculture. Some companies may consider absorbing these costs to maintain market share, while others may pass them on to consumers, potentially leading to higher prices in the US.
  • The long-term effects are uncertain: The agreement is still in its initial stages, with many details yet to be finalized and potential challenges ahead in its implementation.

It would take at least a decade to make this work under Trumps current policies and that’s if he hasn’t put a good major of businesses out of business .

What’s actually going on .
 
They might as well announce a EU national costume now as the next phase of integration, gimp suits with a cut-out around the butt and 'property of daddy USA' written above the hole
 
Ohh, I agree. Good deal for the US, not the EU.

Former ambassador to the EU, Gordon said it was a good deal. See article below.

But yes, that means an American that deals with the EU sees it as good . .. .

It's ridiculous to try to spin this deal as anything but a major win for Trump. He acted like a bully, stomped around, took a shit on established trade rules, nobody could do anything about it and after a lot of people made fun of him, in the end he fucking won. He got exqactly the type of deal he wanted.

We, in the EU got nothing. or, we got the sophistry of hearing how this deal was actually good because it made things better than it was initially when Trump made all the threats. that's like saying convincing the guy who was gonna rob and kill you only to rob you, and that's actually a win for you.

I'm exaggerating, of course, but again, i challenge anyone to tell me what did the EU WIN in this one.
 
The fact that Breaking Points is avoiding talking about this and still only talking about Epstein and Gaza (unless they still have more vids to upload) shows this is a big win.
 
It's ridiculous to try to spin this deal as anything but a major win for Trump. He acted like a bully, stomped around, took a shit on established trade rules, nobody could do anything about it and after a lot of people made fun of him, in the end he fucking won. He got exqactly the type of deal he wanted.

We, in the EU got nothing. or, we got the sophistry of hearing how this deal was actually good because it made things better than it was initially when Trump made all the threats. that's like saying convincing the guy who was gonna rob and kill you only to rob you, and that's actually a win for you.

I'm exaggerating, of course, but again, i challenge anyone to tell me what did the EU WIN in this one.

Well, for one, at a 15% tariff rate, it makes EU a more competitive place for manufacturers than the US itself because the US has tariffs on manufacturing inputs like steel at 30% or more.
 
Well, for one, at a 15% tariff rate, it makes EU a more competitive place for manufacturers than the US itself because the US has tariffs on manufacturing inputs like steel at 30% or more.
tariffs for internal steel production? there's no such thing.
 
tariffs for internal steel production? there's no such thing.

You can't produce steel without first building the manufacturing, which takes inputs that need to be imported. You can't even mine the iron ore without external inputs if it the capacity already doesn't exist, and it doesn't.
 
You can't produce steel without first building the manufacturing, which takes inputs that need to be imported. You can't even mine the iron ore without external inputs if it the capacity already doesn't exist, and it doesn't.
which is valid for every steel producer on the planet.
 
which is valid for every steel producer on the planet.

except you know, not every country on the planet has exorbitant tariffs on manufacturing inputs like the US, so those producers are incentivized to invest elsewhere by default.

Now this deal and the one with Japan for example, just give them a backdoor to get around US tariffs and even more incentive to invest elsewhere.
 
except you know, not every country on the planet has exorbitant tariffs on manufacturing inputs like the US, so those producers are incentivized to invest elsewhere by default.
not if their goal is the us market.
Now this deal and the one with Japan for example, just give them a backdoor to get around US tariffs and even more incentive to invest elsewhere.
doubt that many us companies would leave america because of the tariffs.
i'm curious to see it unfold as well. cause so far it's a preliminary agreement in principle that trump has said he can raise tariffs again at will if the eu doesn't comply with all the demands. so i expect trump to make a fuss about it in about a year and a half, irrespective of what we do. most likely it will be a bout the investments we promised.
 
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not if their goal is the us market.

doubt that many us companies would leave america because of the tariffs.
i'm curious to see it unfold as well. cause so far it's a preliminary agreement in principle that trump has said he can raise tariffs again at will if the eu doesn't comply with all the demands. so i expect trump to make a fuss about it in about a year and a half, irrespective of what we do. most likely it will be a bout the investments we promised.

I mean, precisely if you want to enter the US market, the current tariff structure makes it cheaper to produce goods in the EU or Japan, then export to the US.

Why would I pay 30-50% on all my manufacturing inputs when I could just pay the 15% tariff to export to the US?

You are still accessing the US market, but you don't have to pay the even higher tariff on all your inputs.
 
Apparently $28 billion taken in this month and still counting. This year now up to over $150B in tariff revenue.

If they can keep this up, along with do some more recessions, might actually be effective at taking on the deficit


That's cool, you can count it as a win for Trump.

Do you think this is a win for American consumers and businesses?
 
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