UFC 313 and massive issues with PPV — is it possible to shut down illegal streaming ?

The price comparison about buys in Brazil is stupid as the model isn't the same. They dont sell PPVs here, if some dude wants to pay and watch it legally, he'll have to sign UFC Fight Pass.
UFC Fight Pass has all UFC live events, ppv or not. It also has a library of old fights, LFA events and UFC fight pass Invitational (grappling), DWCS and other organizations.
It costs R$30,00 / month (around U$5,00 / month). If the fella signs for the full year package it it drops to R$25,00 / month (U$4,15).

And most brazilians propably will look for a pirate link first
 
The ones that get fucked with huge prices are residents of the US.

Here in Brazil is 30 bucks (brazilian currency, so 5 dollars) for the monthly UFC Fight Pass.

Sometimes you can even catch 2 PPVs in one month and just cancel it until the next interesting one arrives.

That being said, I also did have troubles during 313.
 
Brewtalist said:
US laws and regulations are limited and cannot be applied to countries like Russia for instance.

Piracy is not a crime, overpricing a card that is not stacked is the crime.
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You are wrong. Certain laws are recognised internationally, regardless of the country of origin.
Things like GDPR and HIPAA have reach to be enforced beyond their own continents.

I'm sure that has a lot of crossover with certain copyrights, trademarks and licenses.
 
Motivated BJ Penn said:
Its $15 a month to watch all ufc events on disney+ where I live, if not then I would 100% stream it lol

Imagine paying $75 for some of these dogshit cards
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Disney+? I'd never have imagined that it would be hosted on there.
What a weird world we live in.
 
Luffy said:
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As can be seen here in this article, and many others, the PPV technical issues led to the projected numbers for such a big event being way lower.

Technical issues are a part of yes, but the price is also very high. 75 $ is a big amount specially for whoever is buying from Brazil, as an example, where 1 dollar ~ 5 or 6 reais. The price is just too high. Then, since non official illegal streaming can be found by many, even tho there are those issues as well I think, many would just ofc rather go in with the illegal streaming.

If they lowered the price to 20 $ I think it could help a lot... Still, if they don't find a way to totally shut down illegal streaming services, the # of PPV sales would keep being wayyy below.

But is there a way to shut down illegal streaming? Because if the UFC, who are considerably dependant upon PPV sales, can't shut them down, as powerful as the organization is, then.... Is that possible to shut down illegal service streams and then lower the price, making it more affordable? That way, PPVs would sales would go off the roof and explode. But without addressing those things, I feel, it'll continue being a rising problem. Illegal streams are becoming more and more accessible as well.
, it will still
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UFC isn't on PPV in Brazil they got all live events for about $5.
 
They won't publically admit it, but I think the UFC recognizes the fact that they can't stop illegal streaming and will probably ditch the PPV model once they move to Netflix.
 
RockyLockridge said:
yeah and When this idea was pitched, I'm the sure the UFC was laughing when they left ESPN with the PPV bag.

However I'm sure espn+ has seen a large increase in subscriptions. Subscriptions are the best way to make money for these models. That's why xbox games pass, Netflix ect are such big hits. If it was just $29.99 to watch UFC for the whole month they'd easily get $360 a year off me, Rather than the 0 they are getting now.
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Not only is it the fact you have buy ESPN+ but it's also the fact you have to buy the individual ppv at the highest prices they have ever been. I originally thought ESPN was going to charge for ESPN+ then drop the price for individual ppv to like $50 with an option for buying UFC ppv bundles. That was something I could sign up for.

The way they are actually doing things prevents me too from giving them a dime. You can't piss on me and call it rain. I'm not going to keep ESPN rob me blind and while trying to convince me it's a good deal. It's not my fault they let the UFC talk them into dumb deal that leaves them holding the bag at the end of the day.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
Not only is it the fact you have buy ESPN+ but it's also the fact you have to buy the individual ppv at the highest prices they have ever been. I originally thought ESPN was going to charge for ESPN+ then drop the price for individual ppv to like $50 with an option for buying UFC ppv bundles. That was something I could sign up for.

The way they are actually doing things prevents me too from giving them a dime. You can't piss on me and call it rain. I'm not going to keep ESPN rob me blind and while trying to convince me it's a good deal. It's not my fault they let the UFC talk them into dumb deal that leaves them holding the bag at the end of the day.
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Yeah well here's the issue, out side of the UFC's Product there is nothing else that espn+ provides that I can attach value to. I'm not going to watch Equestrian events, or cricket or whatever the fuck else they offer on their service. I dont care about sports documentaries and behind the scenes shit or 30 for 30 videos. I guess if you cared their could be value, but I only want Exactly what I want. Nothing else.
 
Piracy is a minor problem in most forms of media. It's unlikely most people who watch UFC PPVs are stealing it.

Getting rid of piracy would do nothing to affect their PPV buys (nor could they even if they tried). Also, the article has nothing to do with piracy.
 
The UFC will be able to stop illegal streaming as soon as they can buy the entire internet infrastructure.
 
RockyLockridge said:
I couldn't agree less
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Most people legitimately do not pirate things in developed countries. Most people don't know how and people are waaaay too lazy to figure it out.

Pirating things is very easy, so people who do it assume everyone else does it. Not really the case, and seldom has been. Even for things that are easier to pirate than a PPV like a show or movie, hence why almost everyone has Netflix and shit.
 
WillyWarminski said:
Disney+? I'd never have imagined that it would be hosted on there.
What a weird world we live in.
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Disney owns ESPN is why I gotta imagine.

I agree it just sounds weird though haha.
 
It's to point in can no longer order. I had no issue paying 80 bucks but I want to be able to see it and hear it. I have to go to bar now to watch or just n I t watch.


Issues for me that have gotten worse over time not better.

1. Sound cuts out for 10 seconds every 2 minutes.

2. Screen will freeze at least once a 1/2 hour. 1/2 time it will live back on in like 20 seconds but be in SD for a minute n real blurry. 1/2 time I have to exit out of app an restart.

They want 80 bucks to have you deal with that for 3 hours. I watch fns like that but ones I gotta pay 80 for no way.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
Most people legitimately do not pirate things in developed countries. Most people don't know how and people are waaaay too lazy to figure it out.

Pirating things is very easy, so people who do it assume everyone else does it. Not really the case, and seldom has been. Even for things that are easier to pirate than a PPV like a show or movie, hence why almost everyone has Netflix and shit.
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I disagree with this entire premise. The reason people use "netflix and shit" is because it is EASIER than pirating movies with a cost that is negligible. Most mma fans are generally younger and much more intune with technology.

I agree with the people are lazy part, and pirating IS EASIER than paying for a ufc PPV. Also how much of the UFC viewer ship watches the ppvs vs those who pay for it has to be 30:70 or greater. Lots of people outside of those developed countries you mentioned have it via their basic cable packages. they dont have a need to pirate it because watching on network TV IS EASIER than watching it pirated or on ESPN+

So yeah, Huge Disagreement on that. More people in developed nations Pirate it. I have atleast 8 friends who all follow UFC closely in canada NONE of them EVER buy ppvs. Anecdotal I know, but any other study saying otherwise is aswell.
 
espn paid the ufc 1.5 billion for a certain number of events
each and every fighter is an important link in that contract
adds perspective to the fighter pay debate
 
The PPV price of $80 for a very average PPV card is absurd... and remember you also have to have an ESPN+ sub $10.99 on top of that.

I remember I brought UFC 40 for $24.95 and they had 5% off if you booked before the day of the PPV.. so 5% off 24.95 (23.70)

UFC 40 was brilliant, well worth the money and great event, the prelims were like the main cards of todays PPVs (if not better). They put so much effort into the show, the way it was all set up, the lighting, the promos, the interviews, everything.

I rarely ever buy a UFC PPV now because so many of them are watered down and not worth the price, I just can't justify paying so much for a lacking card. I now skip watching a lot of the PPVs, and just watch the Fight Night events. upping it to $80 is outrageous. It goes up and up and up every year, so where are we going with all of this? soon it will be $100 for UFC PPV, then eventually it will be $120 for a UFC PPV, where is the end point to all of this?!
 
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