Rewatch Two of the most dominant wins by Khamzat in UFC so far

[Qays Stetkevich]

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Fun times, hopefully this is what happens to Costa and not a a repeat of the Burns fight.

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WHAT!?! That was a FOTY candidate for christ's sake. Please, LET'S HAVE A REPEAT OF THAT. . . .oh. . . unless you're that guy that just wants their crush to win?

 

[CombatCyborg]

We need questions answered about Khamzat's level. I hope this fight is competitive.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

*dominant

Thanks, fixed now.

 

[mjfan23]

Khamzat had the most dominant start to a career in ufc history

 

[TempleoftheDog]

GM3 was his most dominant win, imo. First strike of the fight, and it was game over.

Conor actually ate a punch in the Aldo fight. But the best one was Masvidal/Askren. It doesn’t get any better than that.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

We need questions answered about Khamzat's level. I hope this fight is competitive.

Beating Costa the way he did against Kevin and Li would show his level, and bring back his hype.

 

[MillingMeSoftly]

I think he's in for a rough night versus Costa

cosrta won a bunch of fights he's no joke

 

[HHJ]

TBH I find it funny how eager Khamzat fanboys point out "the dominance" without acknowledging the obvious....Those fights showed absolutely nothing (other than his wrestling, which we knew was good).

How can you call his wrestling absolutley nothing? Its fucking glorious.

 

[Noraaq]

His talent ceiling is one of the highest the sport has ever seen, which is why he can completely embarrass great fighters. If Costa is not in absolute peak form, he will get treated like an amateur.

However, I would suggest that the best fight to see Khamzat's overall skill set is his match against Ikram Aliskerov. In this fight, his wrestling gets negated, which allows us to see him work through his opponent by using a diverse set of skills and, most importantly, maintaining composure

 

[rjmbrd]

His talent ceiling is one of the highest the sport has ever seen, which is why he can completely embarrass great fighters. If Costa is not in absolute peak form, he will get treated like an amateur.

He's only fought one 'great' fighter and that was Burns, and it was a pick-em battle where he got dropped and arguably lost the fight.

Kevin Holland lost his way down to welterweight and already got manhandled by Vettori and Brunson. He absolutely sucks at wrestling, took a middleweight bout on zero days notice. Fight exhibition level competition, get exhibition results.

 

[Noraaq]

He's only fought one 'great' fighter and that was Burns, and it was a pick-em battle where he got dropped and arguably lost the fight.

Kevin Holland lost his way down to welterweight and already got manhandled by Vettori and Brunson. He absolutely sucks at wrestling, took a middleweight bout on zero days notice. Fight exhibition level competition, get exhibition results.

Khamzat went into the Burns fight with a desire to brawl, and thats exactly what he did. Thats why I didnt recommend that fight. He made Burns look more impressive than he should have.

In the context of the Holland fight, it's important not to overlook certain factors. Firstly, this had real grudge match intensity built in. It was noticeable that Holland was very serious for this fight, which isnt always the case with him. Secondly, Holland had openly stated in various interviews that he had been training in wrestling non-stop since his bout with Vettori, and this effort was evident in his improved scrambles and resistance against Chimaev. However, it's essential to note that nobody had defeated Holland in the manner that Chimaev did. The talent level between Chimaev and Vettori/Brunson should be obvious to anyone thats been following the sport for as long as you have been. The outcome of that fight was a genuine shocker for Holland, to the extent that he made the decision to retire shortly afterward.

 

[rjmbrd]

Khamzat went into the Burns fight with a desire to brawl, and thats exactly what he did. Thats why I didnt recommend that fight. He made Burns look more impressive than he should have.

In the context of the Holland fight, it's important not to overlook certain factors. Firstly, this had real grudge match intensity built in. It was noticeable that Holland was very serious for this fight, which isnt always the case with him. Secondly, Holland had openly stated in various interviews that he had been training in wrestling non-stop since his bout with Vettori, and this effort was evident in his improved scrambles and resistance against Chimaev. However, it's essential to note that nobody had defeated Holland in the manner that Chimaev did. The talent level between Chimaev and Vettori/Brunson should be obvious to anyone thats been following the sport for as long as you have been. The outcome of that fight was a genuine shocker for Holland, to the extent that he made the decision to retire shortly afterward.

This is a lot of mental gymnastics.

Khamzat has fought exactly ONE top 10 ranked opponent in his career, and he got knocked down, hurt multiple times and won a controversial decision.

Holland is not a ranked middleweight, lost his way down to welterweight, and isn't even meaningful in that division. An aging Wonderboy just beat the dogshit out of him one fight prior. He is a TERRIBLE wrestler and took this fight on zero days notice. Vettori handled him without any fuss at middleweight, if he got to fight him with no notice as a welterweight, it would be a joke.

Fight exhibition talent, get exhibition results.

 

[Noraaq]

This is a lot of mental gymnastics.

Khamzat has fought exactly ONE top 10 ranked opponent in his career, and he got knocked down, hurt multiple times and won a controversial decision.

Holland is not a ranked middleweight, lost his way down to welterweight, and isn't even meaningful in that division. An aging Wonderboy just beat the dogshit out of him one fight prior. He is a TERRIBLE wrestler and took this fight on zero days notice. Vettori handled him without any fuss at middleweight, if he got to fight him with no notice as a welterweight, it would be a joke.

Fight exhibition talent, get exhibition results.

What exactly are you contending by quoting me, that Chimaev has a very high talent ceiling? Thats not even a contentious statement.
Talent - a natural aptitude or skill.

Vettori or Brunson, might be better fighters but they could never go out and do what Chimaev did to Holland. They dont possess the same amount of talent. Youre being extremely dismissive of Chimaevs performances in an attempt to undermine him. Guys like Li Jiangling, Holland, and GM3 dont just get torched like that by a guy thats only been training MMA for a couple years, unless that guy is a special talent.

 

[richardjohnson]

It's funny how idiots bring up the Burns fight to try and discredit Khamzat. Dude got thrown into the deep end of the divison and proved that he more than belongs and that he can overcome adversity but everyone acts like it was somehow a bad thing. Before that fight everyone acted like he would crumble at the first sign of a challenge but that wasn't the case so they've moved the goal post. The real problem is Khamzat set the bar so high with his first few performances so now if he doesn't completely run through his opponent they act like he isn't that good.

 

[fightfan70]

lol the scale dominated khamzat so bad that they had to change opponents for him.

that fight don't mean shit. he had to fake a high five to get an advantage

on a guy known for a mediocre ground game,

and who the hell has the leach beaten to even be relevant.

the only fight that tells us anything is the burns fight.

it told me he didn't want anything to do with a legit grappler on the ground.

and that his striking and cardio are levels below his grappling.

i hope costa derails the hype train.

 

[Copper Burner]

lol the scale dominated khamzat so bad that they had to change opponents for him.

that fight don't mean shit. he had to fake a high five to get an advantage

on a guy known for a mediocre ground game,

and who the hell has the leach beaten to even be relevant.

the only fight that tells us anything is the burns fight.

it told me he didn't want anything to do with a legit grappler on the ground.

and that his striking and cardio are levels below his grappling.

i hope costa derails the hype train.

Khamzat respected Burns defensive ground game and wisely avoided going there out of lack of experience dealing with submission attempts from a black belt. This strategy paid off as he did not get subbed and he won the fight.

Stupid Khamzat, he should've overcommitted to gnp strikes and got submitted by Burns. I dont know what he was thinking.

 

[rjmbrd]

What exactly are you contending by quoting me, that Chimaev has a very high talent ceiling? Thats not even a contentious statement.

We have no idea what his ceiling is - his first big test was Burns, and he got knocked down and wobbled multiple times and left with a controversial decision over one of the smallest ranked guys.

His next fight he blows a main event and doesn't make weight, and forces a literal karate fighter who had zero preparation and is a welterweight, to fight him at middleweight. A guy who sucks at wrestling and got beaten out of 185lbs.

To say he looks like the 'highest talent ceiling we've ever seen' is completely bombastic.

Vettori or Brunson, might be better fighters but they could never go out and do what Chimaev did to Holland.

You're out of your mind. If Vettori got to show up at middleweight, and fight a WELTERWEIGHT Holland on zero notice, he would dominate him easily. He already beat him with zero fuss at a middleweight fight he actually prepared for.

FFS Holland is not a big deal win, his record speaks for itself.

 

[Givvee]

Khamzat went into the Burns fight with a desire to brawl, and thats exactly what he did. Thats why I didnt recommend that fight. He made Burns look more impressive than he should have.

In the context of the Holland fight, it's important not to overlook certain factors. Firstly, this had real grudge match intensity built in. It was noticeable that Holland was very serious for this fight, which isnt always the case with him. Secondly, Holland had openly stated in various interviews that he had been training in wrestling non-stop since his bout with Vettori, and this effort was evident in his improved scrambles and resistance against Chimaev. However, it's essential to note that nobody had defeated Holland in the manner that Chimaev did. The talent level between Chimaev and Vettori/Brunson should be obvious to anyone thats been following the sport for as long as you have been. The outcome of that fight was a genuine shocker for Holland, to the extent that he made the decision to retire shortly afterward.

Desire to brawl? That's why he shot for a takedown 5 seconds into the first round? He did not have a "desire" to brawl, he was forced into a stand up fight since first of all, Gilbert Burns was not easy to take down, and two even harder to keep down, let alone establish a dominant position against. Do you see where I'm going with this? Gilbert forced him to stand with him, he did not choose it.

I think Chimaev showed a lot of good things in that fight, we already now that he is a great wrestler, one of the best in MMA, but in this fight he showed heart and determination by winning the first round, but then loosing the second and getting dropped, to still comeback and do a good third round in order to seal the victory, that was really impressive to me.

Of course, Chimaev is way more talented than both Vettori and Brunson, but the more talented guy doesn't necessarily win. Lennox Lewis when he boxed Hasim Rahman, was the way more decorated and talented boxer, and still managed to get knocked out. So that doesn't really mean anything, at the highest level, anything can happen in a fight.

 

[checktheknuckles]

You mean the two fights where he was a insta panic wrestlin crotch sniffer? Dude wanted no part of the striking.

 

[Shaddows]

How can you call his wrestling absolutley nothing? Its fucking glorious.

As I pointed out, we already knew about his wrestling.
But the rest (heart, gas tank, survive wars, etc) , he showed only against Burns.... and it wasn't as impressive as those fight.