Trump's Free Speech Echo Chamber

[Confucamus]

There are literally millions of rightists on Twitter and Reddit. The second sentence is funny in light of that. This nails it:

To rightists, "free speech" means that only they get a voice.

There are millions of conservatives in real life that have opinions. We see them censored or downvoted to death on either platform. "Free speech" is part of true equality, unfortunately people like you mistake equality for oppression. You fear differing opinions so you support shutting the other side down. It makes me laugh when you accuse conservatives of shutting down free speech. You believe free speech should only be afforded to those of your ideology. I guess you have a lot of growing up to do.

 

[Jack V Savage]

There are millions of conservatives in real life that have opinions. We see them censored or downvoted to death on either platform.

They aren't censored. If people don't agree with them, that isn't censoring. That's the point. To rightists, "free speech" means that everyone is forced to agree with conservatives. To liberals, free speech means that people can speak freely without interference.

You fear differing opinions so you support shutting the other side down. It makes me laugh when you accuse conservatives of shutting down free speech. You believe free speech should only be afforded to those of your ideology. I guess you have a lot of growing up to do.

WTF? You just said in this same post that people disagreeing with "conservatives" infringes on their freedom of speech. The problem rightists have with Twitter isn't that they aren't allowed to say what they want, because they indisputably are; it's that other people are also allowed to say what they want.

 

[Pinyin]

"Just build your own platform, if you don't like how others are operated."

"Okay."

"No wait, we didn't actually mean that."

just learn to code.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Can I have some examples of Twitter or Facebook or Medium censoring "ideas" or "free speech"?

#learntocode

 

[jrams]

I'm confused what the complaints about the platform in this thread are. It doesn't sound like they are discriminating in anyways but the problem is their current user base doesn't lean the same way politically as you do?

 

[Satsui Ryu]

I'm confused what the complaints about the platform in this thread are. It doesn't sound like they are discriminating in anyways but the problem is their current user base doesn't lean the same way politically as you do?

I don't think anyone is really complaining. Its more like dispelling the myth that the internet is a conservative free zone and any post anywhere that isn't liberal will get you thrown in the Gulags.

 

[Confucamus]

WTF? You just said in this same post that people disagreeing with "conservatives" infringes on their freedom of speech.

Where?

 

[James Bomb]

Doubt it. Parler requires phone signup to even view. Shitposters, actual racists and shills will be easily removed if they want to do that and if they don't Apple will just remove it from the app store. It's probably only to be used as a way to promote Trump's tweets and allow conservative boomer ads without being censored under erroneous-reasoning Twitter and other big tech like to use. Like the reasoning for banning a recent Trump ad denouncing Anti-fa violence.

"You mean they allow phone tracking so that Bill Gates can implant coronavirus using 5g towers?"

The real issue with Twitter and Facebook is not moderation, it's that a certain segment of the population seems compelled to spam every bit of social media with bad faith nonsense and whackadoodle conspiracy theories. The sort of behavior that's encouraged by their leadership. And when they get called out for it, they scream "censorship!" even though the content is clearly against the rules and they threw a giant hissy fit when football players knelt during the national anthem.

If "shitposters, actual racists, and shills" are removed from this app, then what sort of conservative content is left over? Only half-kidding, but Trump ads aren't exactly a good example of good platform content.

 

[Striderxdj]

Name one.



True about mainstream media being the biggest culprit, but it's undeniable that conservative voices get flagged about 10-1 over Liberal voices, and have their videos buried in the algorithm.

How about 3?
David Pakman
Jimmy Dore
Secular talk

Pretty sure all 3 have done videos about demonetization and the algorithms f*cking them over in favor of recommending corporate media sources despite those corporate media sites having almost no views or subscribers comparably to them... They've even defended conservative voices with a viewpoint that I share, sunlight is the best disinfectant and the merits behind the arguments should be discussed, not shut down.

 

[uppercutbus]

"You mean they allow phone tracking so that Bill Gates can implant coronavirus using 5g towers?"

The real issue with Twitter and Facebook is not moderation, it's that a certain segment of the population seems compelled to spam every bit of social media with bad faith nonsense and whackadoodle conspiracy theories. The sort of behavior that's encouraged by their leadership. And when they get called out for it, they scream "censorship!" even though the content is clearly against the rules and they threw a giant hissy fit when football players knelt during the national anthem.

If "shitposters, actual racists, and shills" are removed from this app, then what sort of conservative content is left over? Only half-kidding, but Trump ads aren't exactly a good example of good platform content.

You're free to believe Trumps EO was about these super-whacky-tinfoils, which for some reason are also super-dangerous, I'm not going to try and change your mind.

 

[James Bomb]

You're free to believe Trumps EO was about these super-whacky-tinfoils, which for some reason are also super-dangerous, I'm not going to try and change your mind.

Trumps EO is almost entirely symbolic. It was meant to be a shot across the bow of the tech companies to intimidate them into doing what he wants, which is allowing the questionable dogshit that his campaign puts out to get in front of as many people as possible. It doesn't appear that the tactic is working, since both Facebook and Twitter have taken enforcement actions against his campaign after the order was issued.

I would argue that the media (and Facebook) amplify Trump's awful messaging, since his trollish tactics often get even more news coverage based on "newsworthiness" criteria versus his actual policy communications, which are much rarer and less talked about, but still undeniably shitty.

 

[Philo-Publius]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/abramb...s-new-favorite-social-media-app/#36240685016f

It's an app called Parlor whose user base is almost entirely conservatives who felt persecuted for their thoughts and stripped of their rights of free speech. "Bad ideas should be confronted in regular discourse. That's the beauty of free speech" is a paraphrasing of the CEO's vision for Parlor. The obvious irony is that he created an air tight echo chamber where conservatives can go and cathartically masturbate their brains.

Another observation is that free speech isn't the goal if you move to an app like Parlor to communicate with people -- it's freedom from opposing views.


#uncleJoe

I don't think Parlor is banning people for expressing liberal opinions, which would make it not an echo chamber. If Facebook is trying to eliminate conservative opinions, that makes Facebook the echo chamber.

 

[djacobox372]

Trump praises free speech but then threatens a man with jail for publishing a book, uses his position as president to prevent people from speaking to congress, and tells people to beat up people in his audience for speaking words and displaying signs that he doesn't like. Not to mention his constant bashing of the free-press.

I do agree that the private ownership of media in this country has been a threat to free speech, but nobody seems to be offering any real solutions. They just want to replace once kind of censorship with another.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Imagine trying to call a place with relativley little censorship an echo chamber

 

[uppercutbus]

I don't think anyone is really complaining. Its more like dispelling the myth that the internet is a conservative free zone and any post anywhere that isn't liberal will get you thrown in the Gulags.

Technically that is complaining about this new app. Since there is no reason for it to exist, after all there is no censorship or bias and it's just conservatives making things up.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Technically that is complaining about this new app. Since there is no reason for it to exist, after all there is no censorship or bias and it's just conservatives making things up.

Not really. Ever site caters to their own markets. This app caters to no holds barred talk. Other places don't. Its in the same vein as why you do not see hardcore porn on PBS. Different places cater to different things. Some places don't want edgelords interfering with their profits. And its not like places like Twitter or Youtube are complete voids of conservative talk anyway.

 

[uppercutbus]

Not really. Ever site caters to their own markets. This app caters to no holds barred talk. Other places don't. Its in the same vein as why you do not see hardcore porn on PBS. Different places cater to different things.

That a weird way to frame censorship. Remember when Twitter was championing themselves as free speech platform “the free speech wing of the free speech party,”. Quite funny. These platforms seemed to want to embody those ideals some time back. Remember "don't be evil". After integrating into daily lives and monopolizing the markets, they then decide they want to play favorites. That Leaked Google memo was an eye opener. Hardly a myth that parler doesn't cater to the people who are censored (conservatives). Just because Ben "never Trumper" Shapiro has a youtube channel doesn't mean big tech isn't biased and pushed people away.

As for Parler you'll be surprised how milquetoast the conversations there will be with bannings being very easy and phone sign up to even view anything. It will just be a Tweet circumvention for Trump and uncontroversial opinions that don't come near anything criminal but existing big tech frown upon. Youtube went full derp with the Covid videos, even reinstated some.

 

[HereticBD]

Not really. Ever site caters to their own markets. This app caters to no holds barred talk.

I doubt it's no holds barred. They probably just adhere to standard traditional hate speech guidelines, and not the ever changing definition of hate speech Liberals seem to invent every other day, that mysteriously only seem to be enforced against conservatives.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Imagine trying to call a place with relativley little censorship an echo chamber

They are not forced, but that is what they inevitably devolve down to. Places with little to no moderation attract the crazies, morons, etc. en masse. You end up with an incredibly unpleasant place full of ridiculous stupidity like calls for genocide and expressions of violent fantasies. They never become a place of open intelligent discourse. Because of this only a certain type of people would get any benefit from going there.

That a weird way to frame censorship. Remember when Twitter was championing themselves as free speech platform “the free speech wing of the free speech party,”. Quite funny. These platforms seemed to want to embody those ideals some time back. Remember "don't be evil". After integrating into daily lives and monopolizing the markets, they then decide they want to play favorites. That Leaked Google memo was an eye opener. Hardly a myth that parler doesn't cater to the people who are censored (conservatives). Just because Ben "never Trumper" Shapiro has a youtube channel doesn't mean big tech isn't biased and pushed people away.

As for Parler you'll be surprised how milquetoast the conversations there will be with bannings being very easy and phone sign up to even view anything. It will just be a Tweet circumvention for Trump and uncontroversial opinions that don't come near anything criminal but existing big tech frown upon. Youtube went full derp with the Covid videos, even reinstated some.

If bannings are easy and there is a phone number sign up it doesn't sound very free speech friendly.

 

[uppercutbus]

If bannings are easy and there is a phone number sign up it doesn't sound very free speech friendly.

You won't find many conservatives complaining if it works close to what a neutral platform is expected to work. This War Room here is a good example where people are free to counter BLM "I'm a trained Marxist" and whatever narratives are in vogue from HuffPo and your local campus-feminist. Reddit, not so much.