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Trump's Free Speech Echo Chamber

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Overtures, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. jeremyemilio Silver Belt

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    Facebook completely squashed that Covid-19 conspiracy vid a couple of months ago. I get that just bringing it up probably makes you suspect I believe or agree with that sort bullshit... but let's be frank. The internet was founded on funny cats, porn, and conspiracy theories.

    And now we've decided we're done with conspiracy theories? No more Bigfoot? No more Area 51? Silly.
     
  2. Overtures Known Agitator

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    I do fuck with Bigfoot videos
     
  3. jeremyemilio Silver Belt

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    Maybe he was trying to say exactly what he said? How does anything you posted counter the idea that some conservatives are not able to express their views on social media?

    Does the large conservative reach you talked about discount that thought? Nope.

    Does the fact that it happens on both sides discount that thought? Also nope.

    Why are you looking for clarification for r such a clear statement?
     
  4. LuchaBear Red Belt

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  5. HappyCamper Orange Belt

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    They know that. They are just being dishonest.
     
  6. LuchaBear Red Belt

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    There should be more platforms for people to send out a public message like Twitter which is way too big and that's not a good thing.

    Have fun.
     
  7. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    Sure, nothing wrong with it. The problem is that if people market by saying that Twitter is censoring conservatives, everyone can see with their own eyes that that's false. So the only people who believe it are people who have been trained to trust rightist propaganda more than their own eyes. And you end up with an echo chamber, along with some real dark stuff (Nazis, pedos, etc.).
     
  8. LuchaBear Red Belt

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    It seems like that's already happened though. Just about every Conservative with a major platform and their followers are already convinced that this is the case and what's going to change their opinion at this point? I really don't know and ya I definitely see white supremacy bullshit being rampant on there and given little push back which is definitely a problem.
     
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  9. cooks1 No matter where you go-there you are

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    'Cathartically masturbate their brains' might just be the best use of 4 consecutive words in the history of the written form.

    Huzzah to you Sir!

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  10. uppercutbus Silver Belt

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    It's in the link. Twitter then writes: “We have investigated the reported content and could not identify any violations of the Twitter Rules.” The link also shows the selective enforcement of it's rules elsewhere.
    The policies that are deliberately vague and selectively enforced like what I just mentioned. FB caving in to the mob shows it could have stayed up. Heck I even gave you an example earlier where Twitter admitted it didn't break their rules, but still censor it anyway.
    I still don't see your point. The censorship and bans from tech sector speak for themselves. Reddit even banned other leftists subs including TERFS lol.
    Google has a history of being unfair, even sued in some jurisdictions. We can go through them one by one if you want. They own youtube as well which has it's fair share of examples.
     
  11. James Bomb Red Belt

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    That's obviously an automated email that was sent by mistake. Seems like your site is desperately clutching to whatever it can to argue from a weak position. It's not very convincing though.

    Dude, the content clearly broke rules that are designed to protect other users. Facebook had an exception for public leaders to break certain rules based on newsworthiness, but even they are backtracking now because of advertiser boycotts. Twitter stands by their decision, and they are not putting that tweet back up. They don't seem to be afraid of Trump bullying them anymore.

    I don't feel bad for you guys at all. Right-wingers seem to love attacking any sort of media figure for having an anti-Trump opinion. How dare the media write unflattering things about an unpopular president!?! Same thing with the first amendment right to protest. All of the sudden the right wing hive mind decided that all protesting is now the same as looting, and their fervent support for the goofball protests to open up shelter in place rules earlier just went right down the old memory hole. And which party has been desperately trying to use laws to restrict free speech on college campuses? And it's certainly not Democrats that were clamoring for NFL owners to fire players that kneel during the national anthem.

    See, the right wing doesn't hate tech platforms restricting speech, you just hate that fact that you're now losing when it comes to restricting other viewpoints from being heard. "Capitalism is great, regulation is evil, and the market will eventually come up with the right solution to the problem" works as a mantra until you get the short end of the stick, and then you immediately turn into a bunch of whiny pissbabies crying about how your rights are being violated.

    I was arguing the fact that it's kind of absurd that this is an MMA forum where you can't condone violence. Almost exactly the same sort of rule that you're busy complaining about here. The reason why is obviously advertisers not wanting their ads to run alongside content that is advocating genocide. Again though, pointy end of capitalism is only bad when it pokes you and your team...

    Content moderation is a difficult problem though, and it becomes even more difficult when you have bad faith actors that constantly try to skirt the rules for their own personal gain. LOL at TERFs though, you do know that group is just a thin veneer for promoting hate against transsexuals? People like Trump can always tone down their strongman impressions and their content will probably stay up. Again, the same rules apply to left wingers, but as a group, they don't seem to have as much of a problem with posting hateful content, despite the best efforts of the Fox News outrage factory.
     
  12. Fox by the Sea Lighthouse keeper Platinum Member

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    TS : opinions different from mine must be banned at all costs!
     
  13. uppercutbus Silver Belt

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    Whatever you say bro. The sites reporting on it are wrong but you are right.

    This diatribe is just rambling from your couch. You're not even denying what's going on with Silicon Valley, just making paraphrases in your head that justifies it.

    Well you can condone violence in the context of mma, you can wish McGregor gets slept next match lol, not what most all other sites also ban (genocide, good grief what a reach).

    When you guys define disagreeing with men competing in women's sports as "hate" then you're approach the conversation is beyond reasoning.

    Now Reddit has systematic racism in their terms of service, SJW mental gymnastic rules that you can't be racist to the "majority". Keep thinking this mindset is what should be in charge of "content moderation".
     
  14. James Bomb Red Belt

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    Haha, brutally served. He's not going to be getting up from one.
     
  15. Rational Poster War Room Messiah

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  16. Gandhi War Room Deep State Platinum Member

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    I don't see a problem with conservatives doing this, doubt it amounts to much more than a chan cesspool though, but good luck.
     
  17. James Bomb Red Belt

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    What you posted is quite literally a scammy marketing site. Articles like this one are downright hilarious: https://reclaimthenet.org/google-drive-takes-down-user-file-plandemic/

    Do you really want to keep using this clown show as your primary source?

    No, I'm denying your "alternative facts" version of what's going on here. I guess the truth hurts.

    "Violence/Genocide: Do not condone violence or genocide on a person or group of people. You are free to attack a person or groups ideas but you are crossing the line when calling for violence. This will be heavily enforced in threads with breaking news involving victims."

    It's literally right there in the sidebar when you load the forum. I know your arguments are running on fumes, but how is that "a reach?"

    And you honestly think that these sorts of arguments are being advanced because the right wing sincerely cares about the integrity of women's sports, or are they just an excuse to try and attack gays and transpeople? Oh no, you can't even use gay slurs or ask latinos how many leaf blowers they own anymore, your rights are being infringed by major corporations now! The problem with you folks is that you believe your own bullshit and want to spread it like 17th century missionaries. It's selfishness at its very core.

    No, that's not true. The particular policy is called "Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability" which protects minority groups. There are still policies for bullying, harassment, and violence that apply to content attacking majority users as well. It doesn't mean that minorities have carte blanche to violate any rules they want.
     
  18. uppercutbus Silver Belt

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    They showed their source as did other sites reporting on it.

    Ok so what's "not going on"? What are the alternative facts I'm posting?

    Well you can condone violence in the context of mma, you can wish McGregor gets slept next match lol, most all other sites also ban genocide, good grief what a reach. Do you have a point?

    What's that got to do with the point of what's going on with Silicon Valley? It's either happening (and it's either right or wrong depending on your stance) or it's not happening (and it's just fake news). Sounds like you're trying to pin this on right wingers and paraphrase arguments. Throwing lots of stuff at the wall.
    There's a thread breaking it down with the very first post describing why it's problematic.

    https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-towards-majority-groups-permissable.4117640/
     
  19. Crom Cruach Purple Belt

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    Check in one year from now. Conservative social media only goes one-way.
    Once they all think they are are in their "safe space" then the poison will come out.
    The rational conservatives will be long gone but the owners will keep the site up because hate will be paying their bills.
     
  20. James Bomb Red Belt

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    They showed a bunch of automated emails that were given to them by the Trump campaign to try and create a false narrative of what actually happened. Are you still insisting that Twitter took that content down in error? Or do you need "reclaimthenet.org" to make that argument for you?
    You're insisting that Twitter, Reddit, Google, and Facebook have some sort of nefarious bias against conservatives, instead of just wanting to discourage some of the hateful and spammy content that conservatives regularly post.
    I do have a point, but evidently it keeps whooshing right over your head. The forum that you're posting on here bans some of the very same content that you're crying about in this thread. Do you think this forum should be regulated too?

    Wow, you're fucking clueless. The whole false narrative that tech companies are somehow unfair to conservatives is just "throwing stuff at the wall" itself. You guys know that the content being "censored" is not intended to further any sort of rational discussion of issues. You also know that companies have a right to determine what content can go on their platform or not. You're just mad that tech companies aren't giving you a built-in audience. So what the fuck are you actually trying to do here, other that trying to shake down these organizations for your own benefit?

    Reddit posted a thread where they clarified the rules. Bullying or threatening violence is not allowed no matter the skin color or minority status.
     

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