Economy Trump's April 2nd Tariffs

I never said no value, learn to read


Its value comes from demand, and its demand is inflated by people who are seeing Bitcoin as an investment, which as you pointed out, its not an investment.

So what happens when the people who see Bitcoin as an investment decide to cash out?


No, it doesn't, unless you are being stupid enough to compare the entirety of traditional banking system with the entirety of BTC network which would be like me saying that candles are a more efficient source of lighting than electricity because you are comparing the entirety or electrical illumination to candles.


Because Bitcoin uses orders of magnitude more of energy than traditional electronic systems like a million times more.



The US dollar is valuable precisely because its centralized and precisely because the Fed is an extremely respected institution which has a mandate to keep the price of the US dollar stable.

BTC is not money.


Dismiss what exactly? i merely stated that its a ponzi scheme where more people put money than people take out money and you got your jimmies rustled over it.
you’re swinging at straw men, not the actual points I made.

Bitcoin is an investment for some and a monetary hedge for others, just like gold, real estate, or even the U.S. dollar. The fact that people buy and later sell doesn’t invalidate because that’s literally how markets work.

You’re right that its value comes from demand, but that applies to every form of money. The dollar only holds value because people trust that the Fed will maintain some degree of stability. That’s not some magical intrinsic quality for it. Its value is based on collective belief, just like Bitcoin.

As for the energy argument, measuring Bitcoin’s cost per transaction is stupid.

It’s not just a payment network. It is a decentralized monetary system securing hundreds of billions in value without any central authority. Comparing that to a centralized electronic system is like comparing the cost of running your local Excel file to the cost of securing the entire internet.

And if Bitcoin’s a Ponzi, who exactly is running it? Where’s the central orchestrator making promises or payouts? There are none. It’s a free market with buyers, sellers, and a predictable monetary policy — that’s the opposite of a Ponzi.

Look, it’s fine not to believe in Bitcoin — but calling it a scam while defending a fiat system that’s lost 98% of its value in 100 years is… a stupid ass take.
 


I don't think these were the high priority items America voted him in to do (even if I do appreciate the paper straw pushback. Fuck those things)


Oh shit. That totally makes up for destroying the international order in which America was the sole leader and prime benefactor.

Future generations will be poorer but at least they'll know the satisfaction of drinking liquids through plastic.
 
Fucking pussies. I never thought our country would just give up this easily without any sort of pushback. It’s actually kind of crazy how we just allow this clown to do whatever he wants.

Actually hilarious headlines now say ‘Trump praises Bezos on not displaying tariff cost’.

This really is one big circus. It’s clear Trump hasn’t a Scooby doo himself what’s going on. What happened to all the great deals that were going to roll in so quickly? He has shown incompetence and is out of his depth.
 

US consumer confidence plummets to Covid-era low as trade war stokes anxiety​


BY CHRISTOPHER RUGABER
Updated 1:19 PM BRT, April 29, 2025


WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans’ confidence in the economy slumped for the fifth straight month to the lowest level since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic as anxiety over the impact of tariffs takes a heavy toll.

The Conference Board said Tuesday that its consumer confidence index fell 7.9 points in April to 86, its lowest reading since May 2020. Nearly one-third of consumers expect hiring to slow in the coming months, nearly matching the level reached in April 2009, when the economy was mired in the Great Recession.

The figures reflect a rapidly souring mood among Americans, most of whom expect prices to rise because of the widespread tariffs imposed by President Donald Trump. About half of Americans are also worried about the potential for a recession, according to a survey by The Associated Press-NORC Center.

“Rattled consumers spend less than confident consumers,” said Carl Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics, in an email. “If confidence sags and consumers retrench, growth will go down.”

A measure of Americans’ short-term expectations for their income, business conditions and the job market plunged 12.5 points to 54.4, the lowest level in more than 13 years. The reading is well below 80, which typically signals a recession ahead.

How this gloomy mood translates into spending, hiring, and growth will become clearer in the coming days and weeks. On Wednesday, the government will report on U.S. economic growth during the first three months of the year, and economists are expecting a sharp slowdown as Americans pulled back on spending after a strong winter holiday shopping season.



And on Friday the Labor Department will release its latest report on hiring and the unemployment rate. Overall, economists expect it should still show steady job gains, though some forecast it could report sharply reduced hiring.

The stark decline in consumer confidence also likely reflected the sharp swings in stock and bond prices that roiled financial markets earlier this month. While all age groups and most income brackets reported lower confidence, the decline was steepest among households earning more than $125,000 and among consumers 35 to 55 years old.

Though major U.S. markets rebounded over the past week, the S&P 500 is still down 6% for the year and the Dow Jones has lost 5%. The growth-heavy Nasdaq is down 10% in 2025.

The Conference Board said that mentions of tariffs in write-in responses reached an all-time high this month, with the duties on the top of consumers’ minds. Trump has imposed a tariff of 10% on nearly all imports, as well as a huge 145% tariff on most goods from China. He has imposed separate import taxes on steel, aluminum, and cars.

More Americans are also now worried that the economy could tip into a recession, with the proportion of consumers expecting a downturn in the next 12 months reaching a two-year high.

Fewer consumers said they were planning to buy a home or car in the next six months. Sales of previously occupied U.S. homes slowed last month in a lackluster start to the spring homebuying season as elevated mortgage rates and rising prices discouraged those looking.

And Americans also said they would spend less on services. The proportion of Americans planning an overseas vacation in the next six months fell to 16.4%, down from 24.1% in December. And the proportion of consumers planning to spend more on dining out plummeted by nearly the most on record in April, the Conference Board said.

https://apnews.com/article/economy-confidence-tariffs-f3cb9058971c008127f8dc22c8933296
 

China waived a 125% tariff on ethane imports from the U.S. on Tuesday, according to a report from Reuters.

China had initially imposed the tariff earlier this month as part of its retaliation against President Donald Trump's Liberation Day tariff campaign. China is responsible for purchasing roughly half of America's ethane exports each year, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.






Chinese companies that rely on U.S. ethane include Satellite Chemical, SP Chemicals, Sinopec, Sanjiang Fine Chemical and Wanhua Chemical Group, while the key U.S. exporters are Enterprise Products Partners and Energy Transfer.

Ethane joins a growing list of products that China has granted tariff exemptions for amid the ongoing trade war with Washington.


China dropping more tariffs. Looks like they are slowly realizing they actually do need us for some things.
 
Fucking pussies. I never thought our country would just give up this easily without any sort of pushback. It’s actually kind of crazy how we just allow this clown to do whatever he wants.
You'd be happiest if China devastated us in this trade war, wouldn't you? You'd really like to see us fail just because Trump is involved. Admit it.
 
You’re broken.
Yeah, yeah. Sure.

I've just been watching you all cry "apocalypse" at every move this admin has made to better our position in the world economy. You want us to be subservient to everyone. We should take shit deals in trade. We can't tariff imports like every other country does for reasons none of you can't articulate.

Every move we've made to strengthen ourselves has been met with tears by people like you.
 
Yeah, yeah. Sure.

I've just been watching you all cry "apocalypse" at every move this admin has made to better our position in the world economy. You want us to be subservient to everyone. We should take shit deals in trade. We can't tariff imports like every other country does for reasons none of you can't articulate.

Every move we've made to strengthen ourselves has been met with tears by people like you.

Broken.
 
Bitcoin is an investment for some and a monetary hedge for others,
An investment that produces no tangible value and generates billions of yearly losses due to energy is a zero sum game, it only generates profit because of more buyers coming in.

just like gold, real estate, or even the U.S. dollar. The fact that people buy and later sell doesn’t invalidate because that’s literally how markets work.
Real Estate has tangible value, and gold doesn't generates much costs when it comes to storage plus it has limited value in terms of jewelry and other minors uses.

The USD is not a medium of investment, its a currency, you only hold on it for its liquidity something BTC isn't known for unless you are willing to risk some massive losses.


You’re right that its value comes from demand, but that applies to every form of money. The dollar only holds value because people trust that the Fed will maintain some degree of stability. That’s not some magical intrinsic quality for it. Its value is based on collective belief, just like Bitcoin.
Yup, and there is no Fed to maintain any degree of stability within BTC.

BTC isn't money, money needs three characteristics

Exchangeability
Store of value
Unit of account.

BTC only fulfills the third to a limited extent.

Nothing is priced in BTC and nothing is leveraged in BTC either, its not money just because you call it coin.

As for the energy argument, measuring Bitcoin’s cost per transaction is stupid.
This is just trolling with this comment.



It’s not just a payment network. It is a decentralized monetary system securing hundreds of billions in value without any central authority. Comparing that to a centralized electronic system is like comparing the cost of running your local Excel file to the cost of securing the entire internet.
Its a payment network that holds at most between $1-$2 trillion vs the entire financial system of the world that manages everything including ironically crypto to real currency operations because crypto isn't a real currency so nothing is priced in crypto.

And if Bitcoin’s a Ponzi, who exactly is running it? Where’s the central orchestrator making promises or payouts? There are none. It’s a free market with buyers, sellers, and a predictable monetary policy — that’s the opposite of a Ponzi.
Its a "ponzi" in the sense that it generates losses and any profit gained is just another's man's loss.


Look, it’s fine not to believe in Bitcoin — but calling it a scam while defending a fiat system that’s lost 98% of its value in 100 years is… a stupid ass take.
Big difference is that the fiat system has never sold itself as an investment, nobody says "buy dollars now because price will increase in the future" or anything remotely similar, the only purpose of the fiat system it so act as a currency and it works exactly like that.

You don't seem to understand what a currency and why crypto aren't real currencies.

If i give you a price in US and tell you a rough estimate of when the thing was priced you will know the relative worth of the item in question, you can't do that with BTC.
 
Yeah, yeah. Sure.

I've just been watching you all cry "apocalypse" at every move this admin has made to better our position in the world economy. You want us to be subservient to everyone. We should take shit deals in trade. We can't tariff imports like every other country does for reasons none of you can't articulate.

Every move we've made to strengthen ourselves has been met with tears by people like you.
Dude you’re falling for fake news. Most of those “tariffs” were trade deficits. America keeps acting like the victim but actually a lot of those factory jobs are extremely hard on the environment and they’re also jobs that people don’t care for. In a recent poll 4 out of 5 Americans said they don’t want to do that kind of work. Biden was actually bringing some of the good manufacturing back through things like the CHIPS act.
 
People would be the happiest if Trump had not started that stupid trade war against the entire world? sure man.
Thats so clever how you pretended I asked something else.
 
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