Economy Trump Will Use Tariff Revenue to Pay Farmers That Trump's Tariffs Shafted...

fingercuffs said:
So all the crock of bollocks you posted was just to "own the libs"? Phew. There is hope for you yet.
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No, he's just using this as an excuse to back out of making some dumb statements. Why did he make these dumb statements? Because of the partisan brain rot knee jerk reaction to protect "their" side.

There are several people in here, this guy included, who just make up arguments as they go. Absolutely no thought or consistancy goes in to it.

Although I will give @oldshadow credit for at least showing a semblance of recognizing it. Others just keep doubling down no matter how illogical their argument is.
 
Sinister said:
There were also precursor, elitist (capitalist) racist (against rights for minorities) organizations to the Federalist Society. The Federalist Society is just one that made it to the Supreme Court and Presidential Influence at the same time. One of the first steps to understanding why these groups have the views they do is understanding hierarchical thinking and conservatism, because conservatism is never politically active in the ways advertised by every day conservatives. It's not guard rails for societal change, it's not consideration for groups unprepared to embrace those changes. It's almost always purposed specifically in societal regression to favor a preferred upper class.
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This is all good reading fodder. I bought The Federalist Papers after studying for the citizenship exam along with a bunch of Constitutional law and SCOTUS law so anything you want to throw my way I'll lap it up.
 
oldshadow said:
What i posted has just enough truth to piss off the liberals here.
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I think this is the biggest disconnect between trumpers and everyone else.

You argued that companies hit by tariffs could just lower their prices. When people told you that would cause the business to go under, you claimed you were just trying to piss people off.

Which leads us to the disconnect: Why would liberals be pissed that you're an idiot? You said something stupid, everyone here said it was stupid, and explained why. So are you sure you're really pissing people off, or do you think it's just a half-dozen people enjoying their coffee and wondering how you ended up this dumb?
 
Crazy Source said:
It wasn't the perfect analogy, lol. What is happening is disgusting.
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It was a perfectly fine analogy, but with a twist... of a knife into the backs of the American middle and working class.
 
fingercuffs said:
This is all good reading fodder. I bought The Federalist Papers after studying for the citizenship exam along with a bunch of Constitutional law and SCOTUS law so anything you want to throw my way I'll lap it up.
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John Birch Society I think, and also look into the political actions of the Daughters of the Confederacy. All those "muh heritage" statues that guarded the institutions in the South, the monuments to racist traitors, that was their work. I've also read Edmund Burke's appeal to society to be nicer to monarchs. Then it was Russell Kirk's praise of him in the U.S.
 
Sinister said:
John Birch Society I think, and also look into the political actions of the Daughters of the Confederacy. All those "muh heritage" statues that guarded the institutions in the South, the monuments to racist traitors, that was their work. I've also read Edmund Burke's appeal to society to be nicer to monarchs. Then it was Russell Kirk's praise of him in the U.S.
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I voted but wasn't even remotely interested in British politics so this kerfuffle since 2016 has been exciting, for better or worse.
My local book store owner said the other day "bit of easy reading then" with a bunch of political and law stuff I bought, so keep any recommendations coming.
I'm not anti nut job, I bought the guy's book from Shiny Happy People's book albeit used from EBay because I didn't want to line his pocket.
 
 
 
oldshadow said:
Depends if the company reduces its price to make up for the tariff. If not the buyer is. If they dont reduce their price dont buy their products.
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You think any company is just going to take X% hit to their bottom line for the hell of it? Lol. Its going to be the American consumer that pays every cent.
Inflation and prices are already rising
 
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Trump’s trade battle with China puts US soybean farmers in peril​


BY DIDI TANG AND JOSH FUNK
Updated 2:18 AM BRT, September 27, 2025

MAGNOLIA, Ky. (AP) — The leafy soybean plants reach Caleb Ragland’s thighs and are ripe for harvest, but the Kentucky farmer is deeply worried. He doesn’t know where he and others like him will sell their crop because China has stopped buying.

Beijing, which traditionally has snapped up at least a quarter of all soybeans grown in the U.S., is in effect boycotting them in retaliation for the high tariffs President Donald Trump has imposed on Chinese goods and to strengthen its hand in negotiations over a new overall trade deal.

It has left American soybean farmers fretting over not only this year’s crop but the long-term viability of their businesses, built in part on China’s once-insatiable appetite for U.S. beans.

“This is a five-alarm fire for our industry,” said Ragland, who leads the American Soybean Association trade group.

The situation might even be enough to test farmers’ loyalty to Trump, although he still enjoys strong support throughout rural America. If no deal is reached soon, they hope the government will come through with aid as it did during Trump’s first term, but they see that only as a temporary solution. Trump said Thursday he is considering an aid package.

U.S. and Chinese officials have held four rounds of trade talks between May and September, with another likely in the coming weeks. No progress on soybeans has been reported.

Getting closer to harvest, “I’m honestly getting worried that the time is running out,” said Jim Sutter, CEO of the U.S. Soybean Export Council.

Political pressure is growing​

After Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese goods, China responded with tariffs of its own, which now total up to 34% on U.S. soybeans. That makes soybeans from other countries cheaper.

China’s retaliatory tariffs also hit U.S. growers of sorghum, corn and cotton, and even geoduck divers have been affected. But soybeans stand out because of the crop’s outsized importance to U.S. agricultural exports. Soybeans are the top U.S. food export, accounting for about 14% of all farm goods sent overseas.

And China has been by far the largest foreign buyer. Last year, the U.S. exported nearly $24.5 billion worth of soybeans, and China accounted for more than $12.5 billion. That compared with $2.45 billion by the European Union, the second-largest buyer. This year, China hasn’t bought beans since May.

With U.S. farmers hurting, the Trump administration is under growing pressure to reach a deal with China. As talks drag on, Trump appears ready to help.

“We’re going to take some of the tariff money — relatively small amount, but a lot for the farmers — and we’re going to help the farmers out a little bit” during this transition period, Trump said.

The only way most farmers survived Trump’s trade war in his first term was with tens of billions of dollars in government payments. But that’s not what most farmers want.

What farmers expect from Trump​

“The American farmer, especially myself included, we don’t want aid payments,” said Brian Warpup, 52, a fourth-generation farmer from Warren, Indiana. “We want to work. We work the land, we harvest the land, the crop off the land. And the worst thing that we could ever want is a handout.”

Farmers are looking to Trump for a long-term solution.

“Overwhelmingly, farmers have been in President Trump’s corner,” said Ragland, the president of the soybean association. “And I think the message that our soybean farmers as a whole want to deliver is: ‘President Trump, we’ve had your back. We need you to have ours now.’”

He said farmers appreciate the willingness to provide some short-term relief, but what they ultimately need are strong, reliable markets. “Our priority remains seeing the United States secure lasting trade agreements — particularly with China — that allow farmers to sell their crops and build a sustainable future with long-term customers,” he said.

Ragland, 39, hopes his three sons will become the 10th generation to till his 4,500 acres in Magnolia, Kentucky. Unless something changes soon, he worries that thousands of farmers may not survive.

Coming into this year, many farmers were just hoping to break even because crop prices were weak while their costs had only increased. Trump’s tariffs, which helped make their crops uncompetitive around the world, drove prices down further. And tariffs on steel and fertilizer sent costs up even more.

Darin Johnson, president of the Minnesota Soybean Growers Association, said he still has faith in the Trump administration to reach a good trade deal with China.

“I think where the patience is probably wearing thin is the time,” said Johnson, a fourth-generation farmer. “I don’t think anybody thought that we were going to take this much time because we were told 90 deals, 90 deals in 90 days.”

https://apnews.com/article/soybeans...tates-export-025792707c4e4e91d975f8558edae1d8
 
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