Crime Trump wants to send Tesla vandals to prison in El Salvador as well

[Islam Imamate]

Well that hasn't even happened yet. The TPS hasn't expired already - they just will be.

How do you know some of those Venezuelans he deported weren't here under TPS?

 

[Hog-train]

It's a bit late for those hundreds he deported to a forced labor camp in contravention of a judicial order. Not only that but the GOP is threatening to impeach the judge in question.

Trump's not merely testing his theory in court, he's spurning judicial oversight generally and threatening retaliation against specific judges. You don't see how thats a problem?

The judge impeachment thing is empty political posturing. They need a two-thirds majority in the Senate to remove judges. They know this will never happen in a million years.

How do you know some of those Venezuelans he deported weren't here under TPS?

Every story I've read was about the TPS holders being afraid of losing status and being deported. Not that they have been deported already.

Courts said no and Trump ignored them.

The actual dispute is that the government is saying the planes already left by the time the judge entered in a written order. The order also did not contain any demands to reverse planes, and it was too late to redirect two planes that had left the U.S. by that time.

 

[Mr Holmes]

SCOTUS blocked Biden's blanket student loan forgiveness so Biden issued particularized loan forgiveness to civil servants, the disabled, and those who attended scam colleges. You can disagree with his doing so but that's not ignoring the court order, that's working around it. If Trump had turned the planes around, put the deportees back in detention, and then deported them under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act that would be working around the judicial order. Instead he flat out ignored it and refused to turn the planes around.

Can you see the difference?

Letting the planes go forward was just working around the court order.

 

[terrapin]

A lot of illegal immigrants are deported without seeing an immigration judge.

In fact a majority of deportees never see an immigration judge. This was true under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden and Trump. Instead, the majority go through a fast tracked screening process.

Because we only have just over 700 immigration judges to handle millions of people. We literally do not have the infrastructure or amount of judges to handle all of these people equally.

Sorry not sorry - the world isn't fair. We can't take in the entire world that is suffering from economic hardship.



This is the natural consequence of Biden's open border policies. There will be pushback. The majority of people in this country agree illegal immigrants have become a problem and supports mass deportation.

I personally do not give a shit what legal justification they use to deport most of the illegal immigrants.

If they're here illegally, deport them ASAP. The vast majority of asylum cases do not even qualify for it.

You want something that is impossible - every single person coming here to see an immigration judge. It takes on average 5 years to see an immigration judge because there are only 700 of them for millions of people.



Yes I'm aware. He wants to revoke the temporary protected status of Cubans (as well as Haitians and Nicaraguans) who are here.

There was never any promise these temporary statuses would become permanent.

Well I brought it up because you said the Trump admin wasn't deporting legal immigrants.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Well I brought it up because you said the Trump admin wasn't deporting legal immigrants.

Uh.. they won't be legal then.

 

[Hog-train]

Well I brought it up because you said the Trump admin wasn't deporting legal immigrants.

All those people are not legal.

 

[terrapin]

All those people are not legal.

They plan to deport hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants. Are you afraid to just admit that and have to obfuscate or do you just support it?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Its weird how all of our constitution lovers were noticeably quiet when the laws protecting our borders were being ignored.

 

[Hog-train]

They plan to deport hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants. Are you afraid to just admit that and have to obfuscate or do you just support it?

They plan to deport them after they lose TEMPORARY protected status. They will no longer be legal once they lose TPS.

You seem to not understand what TPS is.

 

[HereticBD]

Its weird how all of our constitution lovers were noticeably quiet when the laws protecting our borders were being ignored.

Those "constitution lovers" make a habit of acknowledging it only when their people aren't in charge. When they are in charge, they're all just "They're just 'amendments' and can be 'amended', tee hee"

Unfortunately for them, all the efforts they make just tee up the ball for the other guys. They're so dumb.

 

[Islam Imamate]

1. That particular plane that left on the heels of the judge's order did not contain hundreds of people. 261 people total haven been sent to El Salvador. They weren't all on that one plane.

There were three planes of deportees totaling over two hundred people. Two were in flight when the order came through before landing in Honduras to refuel and the third plane took off after the judicial order.

2. The judge impeachment thing is empty political posturing. They need a two-thirds majority in the Senate to remove judges. They know this will never happen in a million years.

The very fact that Trump's threatening it is significant, hence Roberts rebuking him.

Every story I've read was about the TPS holders being afraid of losing status and being deported. Not that they have been deported already.

How do you know there wasn't someone in those planes who was here on TPS? They weren't allowed a hearing to plead their case nor to allow a judge to exert oversight.

The actual dispute is that the government is saying the planes already left by the time the judge entered in a written order. The order also did not contain any demands to reverse planes, and it was too late to redirect two planes that had left the U.S. by that time.

No it was not too late, two the planes landed in Honduras to refuel and then took off for El Salvador and the third was still at a Texas airport when the order came through

In a court hearing on Saturday, with two planes carrying deported migrants in the air, Boasberg told Justice Department lawyers that any plane containing deportees covered under the order needed to return to the United States immediately. A written order hit the public docket at 7:25 p.m. EDT (2325 GMT), approximately 40 minutes after Boasberg spoke in court.

Those two planes landed in Honduras after the order hit the docket, and continued on to El Salvador.
A third deportation flight took off from a Texas airport after Boasberg's order hit the public docket.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...pping-venezuela-deportations-case-2025-03-19/

Even if it was the case that the planes were in flight to El Salvador and didn't have to refuel in Honduras, why couldn't they turn around after landing in El Salvador to comply with the order? Who was forcing Trump to leave the Venezuelans in a forced labor camp?

Letting the planes go forward was just working around the court order.

No, that would be ignoring the order. Working around it would mean turning the planes around, putting the Venezuelans back into detention, and then citing a different law to justify the deportations.

 

[Hog-train]

How do you know there wasn't someone in those planes who was here on TPS? They weren't allowed a hearing to plead their case nor to allow a judge to exert oversight.

Well neither of us can be 100% sure because we're not actually there.

But I believe Tom Homan. He just talked about it yesterday to ABC.

No it was not too late, two the planes landed in Honduras to refuel and then took off for El Salvador and the third was still at a Texas airport when the order came through

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...pping-venezuela-deportations-case-2025-03-19/

Even if it was the case that the planes were in flight to El Salvador and didn't have to refuel in Honduras, why couldn't they turn around after landing in El Salvador to comply with the order? Who was forcing Trump to leave the Venezuelans in a forced labor camp?

So you want planes that are already out of the US and in the country literally next door (Honduras) to fly all the way back to the US based on one judge's order?

Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

The 3rd flight you might be able to argue, but even that is iffy. Because that flight left shortly after the written judicial order was entered into the docket. That info may not have even reached the people flying the plane.

No, that would be ignoring the order. Working around it would mean turning the planes around, putting the Venezuelans back into detention, and then citing a different law to justify the deportations.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well neither of us can be 100% sure because we're not actually there.

But I believe Tom Homan. He just talked about it yesterday to ABC.

Tom Homan is not some neutral arbiter here, he's part of the executive branch that's trying to overreach so of course he's going to say they did nothing wrong. Its like asking one of Erdogan's minister's if Erdogan has overstepped, of course they'll say no.

The relevant authority here are the judges who have the power to interpret the law and whose interpretations are binding on the executive, how is that you don't get that?

So you want planes that are already out of the US and in the country literally next door (Honduras) to fly all the way back to the US based on one judge's order?

Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Why is it ridiculous to expect the executive to respect judicial oversight? If a judge rescinds a search warrant and by the time that gets to the police they're a few blocks away from the house is it ridiculous to expect the police to stop? Should they just carry out the search despite knowing that the warrant was rescinded because they're so close they might as well do so? What kind of insane logic is this?

The 3rd flight you might be able to argue, but even that is iffy. Because that flight left shortly after the written judicial order was entered into the docket. That info may not have even reached the people flying the plane.

How is that iffy at all? A quick Google search tells me it takes a few hours to get to Honduras by plane, that's plenty of time to get the order through to the pilot and have them turn the plane around.

 

[Hog-train]

Tom Homan is not some neutral arbiter here, he's part of the executive branch that's trying to overreach so of course he's going to say they did nothing wrong. Its like asking one of Erdogan's minister's if Erdogan has overstepped, of course they'll say no.

I simply do not believe people who have TPS just got deported on that plane.

Because there's no reason to do so. There are 660,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records or who have been arrested for a crime and 1.4 million that have existing deportation orders in the country.

Why in the world would they bother to deal with the legal complications of deporting someone with TPS? There are literally over 2 million that are much more easily deportable and TPS is ending soon.

The relevant authority here are the judges who have the power to interpret the law and whose interpretations are binding on the executive, how is that you don't get that?

I do get it. But this is not black and white because the planes were already almost to the destination. So it is completely unreasonable to expect the planes to fly all the way back.

Why is it ridiculous to expect the executive to respect judicial oversight? If a judge rescinds a search warrant and by the time that gets to the police they're a few blocks away from the house is it ridiculous to expect the police to stop? Should they just carry out the search despite knowing that the warrant was rescinded because they're so close they might as well do so? What kind of insane logic is this?

That all depends on if the people who executed the search warrant got the order to stop.

On top of that, this is legal limbo territory because it is not clear how much jurisdiction the judge has over international waters. They were outside of US airspace.

How is that iffy at all? A quick Google search tells me it takes a few hours to get to Honduras by plane, that's plenty of time to get the order through to the pilot and have them turn the plane around.

Doesn't mean the judge has jurisdiction at that point. Ultimately, this is going up higher up the ladder and possibly to the Supreme Court now.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I simply do not believe people who have TPS just got deported on that plane.

Because there's no reason to do so. There are 660,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records or who have been arrested for a crime and 1.4 million that have existing deportation orders in the country.

Why in the world would they bother to deal with the legal complications of deporting someone with TPS. When there are literally over 2 million that are much more easily deportable.

So basically you buy the regime's argument of "just trust me bro"?

They would deport former TPS holders because Trump is hellbent on mass deportation and he's going to grab low hanging fruit regardless of the circumstances.

I do get it. But this is not black and white because the planes were already almost to the destination. So it is completely unreasonable to expect the planes to fly all the way back.

It is black and white though, a judge gives an order and the executive is supposed to follow it even if its inconvenient. If a citizen is being transferred to a CIA black site and a judge gives an order to turn the plane around under your logic the executive should feel free to ignore that order if the flight has taken off which is nonsense.

That all depends on if the people who executed the search warrant got the order to stop.

There was plenty of time to get the order to the pilot, in fact the order had officially on the docket by the time the plane landed to refuel in Honduras and could've easily turned around. It didn't.

On top of that, this is legal limbo territory because it is not clear how much jurisdiction the judge has over international waters. They were outside of US airspace.

Doesn't mean the judge has jurisdiction at that point. Ultimately, this is going up higher up the ladder and possibly to the Supreme Court now.

According to who exactly? Because the judge in question was certainly not buying that argument.

The administration also said that even if James Boasberg, the chief US district judge in Washington, had included that instruction in his formal order, his authority to compel the planes to return disappeared the moment the planes entered international airspace.

The extraordinary arguments suggested the White House took advantage of its own perceived uncertainty with a federal court order to do as it pleased, testing the limits of the judicial system to hold to account an administration set on circumventing adverse rulings.

An incredulous Boasberg at one stage asked the administration: “Isn’t then the better course to return the planes to the United States and figure out what to do, than say: ‘We don’t care; we’ll do what we want’?”

The administration also suggested that even if Boasberg had included the directive in his written order, by the time he had granted the temporary restraining order, the deportation flights were outside of the judge’s jurisdiction.

The judge expressed similar skepticism at the second argument, noting that federal judges still have authority over US government officials who make the decisions about the planes, even if the planes themselves were outside of US airspace.

“The problem is the equitable power of United States courts is not so limited,” Boasberg said. “It’s not a question that the plane was or was not in US airspace.” Boasberg added. “My equitable powers are pretty clear that they do not lapse at the airspace’s edge.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/17/trump-judge-venezuela-deportations

The regime is grasping at straws to justify in retrospect its blatant contravention of a judicial order to get away with deportation without due process. Its clear you agree with the outcome so like the regime mouthpieces you're going to make any argument, no matter how farfetched, to justify it.

 

[terrapin]

They plan to deport them after they lose TEMPORARY protected status. They will no longer be legal once they lose TPS.

You seem to not understand what TPS is.

Did you know they're deporting people who've been renewed regularly... one woman who's been here for over 50 years?

Do you support that kind of crazy?

 

[Hog-train]

Did you know they're deporting people who've been renewed regularly... one woman who's been here for over 50 years?

Do you support that kind of crazy?

You're making BS up. Congress created Temporary Protected Status (TPS) in the Immigration Act of 1990. So impossible someone was on it for 50 years.

So basically you buy the regime's argument of "just trust me bro"?

They would deport former TPS holders because Trump is hellbent on mass deportation and he's going to grab low hanging fruit regardless of the circumstances.

I'm believing common sense and logic.

There is zero evidence they're actively deporting people with TPS.

Also there's a difference between former TPS holders and people with TPS.

It is black and white though, a judge gives an order and the executive is supposed to follow it even if its inconvenient. If a citizen is being transferred to a CIA black site and a judge gives an order to turn the plane around under your logic the executive should feel free to ignore that order if the flight has taken off which is nonsense.

There was plenty of time to get the order to the pilot, in fact the order had officially on the docket by the time the plane landed to refuel in Honduras and could've easily turned around. It didn't.

You're literally just giving an impromptu opinion that it's black and white. The plane was out of US airspace. Show me the law that says the judge has jurisdiction over a plane that is already in another country.

What if the plane had already landed in El Salvador? Does the judge have the authority to order the plane to fly back?

What if the plane was not a US airline, but a foreign one that flew from the US to another country. Does the judge have any jurisdiction then?

The fact of the matter is: You have no fucking idea. Because this is a legal grey area.

According to who exactly? Because the judge in question was certainly not buying that argument.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/17/trump-judge-venezuela-deportations

The regime is grasping at straws to justify in retrospect its blatant contravention of a judicial order to get away with deportation without due process. Its clear you agree with the outcome so like the regime mouthpieces you're going to make any argument, no matter how farfetched, to justify it.

Of course the judge disagrees. That doesn't mean he's right.

Plane is already in Honduras and outside of US airspace. You expect the plane to fly back according to a judge.

Show me the law or statute where this order was legally binding.

 

[terrapin]

You're making BS up. Congress created Temporary Protected Status (TPS) in the Immigration Act of 1990. So impossible someone was on it for 50 years.



I'm believing common sense and logic.

There is zero evidence they're actively deporting people with TPS.

Also there's a difference between former TPS holders and people with TPS.



You're literally just giving an impromptu opinion that it's black and white. The plane was out of US airspace. Show me the law that says the judge has jurisdiction over a plane that is already in another country.

What if the plane had already landed in El Salvador? Does the judge have the authority to order the plane to fly back?

What if the plane was not a US airline, but a foreign one that flew from the US to another country. Does the judge have any jurisdiction then?

The fact of the mater is: You have no fucking idea. Because this is a legal grey area.



Of course the judge disagrees. That doesn't mean he's right.

Plane is already in Honduras and outside of US airspace. You expect the plane to fly back according to a judge.

Show me the law or statute where this order was legally binding.

i did not make it up but it may not be this specific case. but why would they do that to a woman who has been here for 50 years with no criminal record? do you support that or not?

 

[Hog-train]

i did not make it up but it may not be this specific case. but why would they do that to a woman who has been here for 50 years with no criminal record? do you support that or not?

I don't know WTF case you're talking about so how can I give an opinion on it.

 

[terrapin]

I don't know WTF case you're talking about so how can I give an opinion on it.

I just told you man. and if you don't know maybe your news sources are all bullshit....

it was a women, here for over 50 years with a green card and who worked full time for the state in Washington where they have criminal background checks. they are revoking the legal status of over 500000 Cubans. you guys were all saying they would not go after legal immigrants. the Cuban community overwhelmingly supports the trump regime... they have a quota 1200 people per day have to be deported.... so they are going after legal immigrants now man.

they have deported a father of 5 who works full time doing food delivery work, a Dallas father with a US citizen who entered via the cbp one, and a pro soccer player tortured by Maduro seeking assylum. another was a gay makeup artist who they claim was a gang member.... do you really support these people being deported under a 1200 a day quota?

if you have never heard about it watch this man.

Gay Venezuelan asylum-seeker ‘disappeared’ to Salvadoran mega-prison under Trump order, Maddow reveals

The man came to the United States seeking safety. Instead, his lawyer says he was "disappeared."

www.yahoo.com