International Trump: US will take over Gaza, resettle Palestinians

[Fergelmince]

Simple questions deserve extended rants and incessant whining.

It's like pulling teeth with these clowns

They view the world through an Oppressor vs Oppressed world, enabling them to virtue signal by taking the side of the Oppressed. Through their eyes, every single action in life should be taken to help who they consider Oppressed, be it a future anchor baby, a murderer in NYC or a Hamas terrorist. If you don't see the world like they do, they get extremely emotional, call you names, and attempt to shame you. When the next issue comes up, they rinse and repeat. Trump came out swinging, has them on their heels, they've lost control of their institutions (for now) and they don't know what else to do but scream and cause chaos. It's their M.O.

Trump and Vance have a lot more planned for them.

 

[kflo]

There is no society in Israel? No society in and around Gaza?
Of course there is.

gaza is not in israel. it's the neighbor that waged war with israel.

You believe this is a one and done deal? That once they expel these poor people out of Gaza, they won’t just do the same to those living in the West Bank, or East Jerusalem?

"they" won't "expel" the people of gaza. and no, i don't expect the growing palestinian population in the west bank to stop growing.

“Palestinian” is generally considered to be an ethnicity.

Let’s be honest here, it isn’t just Hamas fighters being expelled from Gaza, it’s all Palestinians. Everyone.

why would "palestinian" be an ethnicity?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

that definition refers to expulsion of unwanted ethnic or religious groups in a society. "in a society" means you start with a society and then remove an unwanted ethnic or religious group from that society.

no it doesn't lol

 

[Confucamus]

Correct, Trump threatened literal ethnic cleansing.
If someone says to you, “At some point when you aren’t expecting it, I am going to take possession of your car against your will and drive it away,” they are literally threatening to steal your car. Hopefully you don’t need them to actually say the words “I am planning to steal your car” to pick up on that.

Those two sentences mean the exact same thing. That doesn't really apply here.

What Trump described doing is ethnic cleansing by definition.


Yes they are. There’s no race-baiting on my part, I am discussing the plan that Trump laid out just the other night in front of the whole world: take ownership of land that isn’t ours, and forcibly expel everyone of a certain ethnicity living there, and not ruling out use of out military to do it. What is the disconnect in your brain about this?

You are race-baiting, because if Palestinians were white you would not be parroting that phrase ad nauseam.

If Trump did actually come out and say “I plan to commit ethnic cleansing,” you’d be here to explain how he didn’t really mean that and it’s all a “negotiation tactic.”

No, I wouldn't. You're projecting.

You guys don’t take anything seriously anymore, that’s the problem. We’ve reached a point where you believe everything your approved media outlets say, you won’t believe anything to the contrary even when it’s right in front of your face, and when awful shit does happen you just pretend it didn’t.

No, you guys have just lost all credibility when it comes to issues of race and sexuality. Nobody listens to you guys calling everything racist because you call everything racist as a way to shut down any conversation you're uncomfortable with. You're cheapening actual racism and how serious it should be taken.

The absolute irony of the situation, you can never own up to your mistakes, can you?

I literally pasted the definition for you. You clearly don’t know what the word meant because Trump “literally” threatened that.

It’s remarkable how you lack so much self awareness and class.

I didn't expect a response for what I said because your whole shtick is just to troll, but this was weak. Even for you.

 

[chardog]

It would have to be remotely plausible for it to be a negotiating tactic.

Can the guy go one fucking day without saying something retarded? Apparently not.

And this whole thing is shit. Biden is a piece of shit for aiding Israel in this ethnic cleansing. And Trump is a piece of shit for a million other reasons plus aiding Israel’s ethnic cleansing.

I’m done with all those motherfuckers.

why isnt it plausible

it does seem very likely that a third attempt at keeping Gaza at bay would also be futile, fool me once, fool me twice, that's on me sorta deal. Hamas leader was chillin in qatar until he was offed? shit is a proxy state, proxy war.

back to plausibility, it would be like the crimea of egypt/jordan

gaza == hamas, at some point, that has to be acknowledged, and to dispose of hamas, you have to dispose of gaza.

I'm just spit-balling, and you can offer what you think is the correct thing to do, I simply don't know, a lot of this is over my head, I dont know what type of financial deals going on in the background, but I'm assuming that there's some talks with egypt mostly, and lebanon/syria/jordan.... maybe not syria. I think israel and hamas dont get along, will never get along, and you can say that many of the countries surrounding israel dont like it either, but they keep the peace.

 

[SKYNET]

They view the world through an Oppressor vs Oppressed world, enabling them to virtue signal by taking the side of the Oppressed. Through their eyes, every single action in life should be taken to help who they consider Oppressed, be it a future anchor baby, a murderer in NYC or a Hamas terrorist. If you don't see the world like they do, they get extremely emotional, call you names, and attempt to shame you. When the next issue comes up, they rinse and repeat. Trump came out swinging, has them on their heels, they've lost control of their institutions (for now) and they don't know what else to do but scream and cause chaos. It's their M.O.

Preach!

 

[DoctorTaco]

Lol, I see you slept on it, talked to your wife or GF for more talking points and came back this morning. It appears they forgot to remind you about October 7th .

I've made my points, they still stand.

Any humane person wouldn't even put a zoo in this heIIhole, let alone let humans live here

Oh, whoops, that's Detroit and you can't live in those homes either. Here's Gaza, where you want people to live RIGHT NOW

Points for progressive use of pronouns.

You know people live in the West Bank right now, right? Just not inside the rubble you posted. So maybe let’s clean up the places where no one is living and then start construction there.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I really hope we don't send any more aid money to Israel.

They give us money for bombs, we give them money for aid! It’s win win!

 

[BFoe]

gaza is not in israel. it's the neighbor that waged war with israel.

I didn’t say that. Don’t be pedantic. Address the point made.

"they" won't "expel" the people of gaza. and no, i don't expect the growing palestinian population in the west bank to stop growing.

“They” are already preparing to expel the people of Gaza. Did I miss the people of Gaza volunteering for this? The plan, according to Israel and the US, is to forcibly relocate the people of Gaza, against their will—ergo, they are being expelled, by definition.

why would "palestinian" be an ethnicity?

You know you can look this stuff yourself, right?

Yes, "Palestinian" is generally considered an ethnicity, as it refers to the Arab people who originate from the geographic region of Palestine, sharing a distinct cultural and linguistic identity with other Levantine Arabs, and primarily identifying as such based on their heritage and historical ties to the land; although the exact definition of who is considered a Palestinian can be complex due to the ongoing political situation in the region.

Key points about Palestinian ethnicity:

• Arab identity:
  Palestinians are primarily considered Arabs, sharing linguistic and cultural similarities with other Arab populations in the Middle East.
  
• Geographic origin:
  The term "Palestinian" refers to people historically inhabiting the geographical region of Palestine, which encompasses the modern-day West Bank and Gaza Strip.
  
• Political context:
  While ethnicity is the primary basis for Palestinian identity, the political complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict also play a role in how the term is understood and used.

 

[Fergelmince]

Points for progressive use of pronouns.

You know people live in the West Bank right now, right? Just not inside the rubble you posted. So maybe let’s clean up the places where no one is living and then start construction there.

the west bank, you say?

 

[BFoe]

Those two sentences mean the exact same thing. That doesn't really apply here.

The term “ethnic cleansing” and what Trump said mean the same thing too.

You are race-baiting, because if Palestinians were white you would not be parroting that phrase ad nauseam.

And if a white store owner denied service to another white dude, I wouldn’t call it racism

Ethnic cleansing has an ethnic component. Obviously if two groups are the same ethnicity, I wouldn’t call it ethnic cleansing. That should be obvious. It would still be horrible and brutal, and depending on its motives might fit into some other category, but it wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing. This is.

No, you guys have just lost all credibility when it comes to issues of race and sexuality. Nobody listens to you guys calling everything racist because you call everything racist as a way to shut down any conversation you're uncomfortable with. You're cheapening actual racism and how serious it should be taken.

You don’t want to confront the obvious fact that we were 100% right about Trump. He’s every bit as authoritarian, racist, and fascist as we said he was. I understand that owning up to the fact that you support and possibly voted for a racist authoritarian must be a tough pill to swallow. Time to buck up, and take moral inventory of yourself and the things you support.

You want to support hateful, discriminatory practices and don’t like it being called out. I don’t need to call this ethnic cleansing for it to be horrible, brutal, and bad. I’m calling it ethnic cleaning because it’s ethnic cleansing. And no mount of denialism or mental gymnastics on your part will change that.

 

[Xanzito]

Can't make this shit up.

 

[Xanzito]

I wonder if the same people that accuse ppl like Tulsi to spread russian talking points feels righteous to spread Hamas talking points.

 

[Gotosleepho]

They give us money for bombs, we give them money for aid! It’s win win!

And who actually receives this money in the US?

 

[BFoe]

I wonder if the same people that accuse ppl like Tulsi to spread russian talking points feels righteous to spread Hamas talking points.

It’s not a talking point , it’s the truth. That doesn’t mean Hamas isn’t a shitbag terrorist group guilty of the same things. Hell, Israel under Netanyahu is guilty of the same things.

 

[Richmma80]

It's another bluff so they'll settle on a slightly less worse outcome and be happy for tge "win"

 

[kflo]

I didn’t say that. Don’t be pedantic. Address the point made.

the point is gaza is it's own society. it's not israel, it doesn't overlap with israel. it's not egypt, it doesn't overlap with egypt. and that society isn't selectively removing people based on ethnicity.

“They” are already preparing to expel the people of Gaza. Did I miss the people of Gaza volunteering for this? The plan, according to Israel and the US, is to forcibly relocate the people of Gaza, against their will—ergo, they are being expelled, by definition.

there's no plan to actually do so at the moment. you've already concluded not only will gazans be expelled but the WB palestinian's as well.

You know you can look this stuff yourself, right?

Yes, "Palestinian" is generally considered an ethnicity, as it refers to the Arab people who originate from the geographic region of Palestine, sharing a distinct cultural and linguistic identity with other Levantine Arabs, and primarily identifying as such based on their heritage and historical ties to the land; although the exact definition of who is considered a Palestinian can be complex due to the ongoing political situation in the region.

Key points about Palestinian ethnicity:

• Arab identity:
  Palestinians are primarily considered Arabs, sharing linguistic and cultural similarities with other Arab populations in the Middle East.
• Geographic origin:
  The term "Palestinian" refers to people historically inhabiting the geographical region of Palestine, which encompasses the modern-day West Bank and Gaza Strip.
• Political context:
  While ethnicity is the primary basis for Palestinian identity, the political complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict also play a role in how the term is understood and used.

so when arabs immigrated to palestine prior to 1948 they changed their ethnicity in the process? are israeli arabs "palestinian"?

 

[UberHere]

And who actually receives this money in the US?

Weapons manufacturers , their lawyers, and the politicians they’re colluding with.

You and I? Nothing. They just assure us they’re keeping us safe.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Can't make this shit up.

it quite literally is.

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

www.un.org

 

[avenue94]

gaza == hamas, at some point, that has to be acknowledged, and to dispose of hamas, you have to dispose of gaza.

This is the eliminationist rhetoric that you hear before genocides. It's what the Hutus said about the Tutsis and RPF. Disgusting rhetoric.