International US finds that Israel is not impeding assistance to Gaza; aid groups disagree

[SuperAlly]

What or who is the new default?

Anyone but murdering, rapist, genocidal Hamas

One thing is clear, they are the only body or group of people it must not be.

Laughable you think they should be.

 

[SuperAlly]

That'd be one of the better options, yet I've seen no legwork on making this happen. Not to mention Israel has managed to ostracize more than a few allies.

So it really doesn't matter that Israel has opted for a approach with an extremely high failure rate based on even a generous reading of the historical record. Got it.

Don't see Israel failing.

See them succeeding in emphatic fashion currently.

I know the pro terrorist crowd don't like to see their terrorist buddies taking and almighty beat down after trying to commit genocide. Got it.

 

[SuperAlly]

You didn't want to consider Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, which are about as successful a regime change oof a fanatical enemy you'll find?

I assume we are comparing Hamas to the Nazis here?

Or are you another mentally defective?

 

[SuperAlly]

- Was 07/11 justifiable. Because US has been causing desistera around the globe. Some times even to get cheap fruits and coffe?

Like unarmed civilians have any power. If that is the case why dont you guys that own guns, do something about your own neingborhood? Israel has been a bully for decades.

And if was Russia or China slaping them, they wold do nothing, because momma US wond't back them up against biggger powers.

Laughable.

Go suck terrorist cocks somewhere else.

Maybe go post more lego and street fighter memes. That will help

 

[SuperAlly]

So basically we see this original "30 day" story was never anything more than fake PR designed to help in the election? well colour me surprised.

If people voted in the US election based on what's happening in Gaza they are fucking retards who shouldn't be allowed to vote

Fortunately only a small number of delinquents who think that terrorists should have the right to invade their neighbour, murder, rape, kidnap and attempt genocide but suffer no response will have even thought about this while voting

Only a few crazy people who are online too much believe gaza had a significant impact on whether people voted trump or Harris. Fortunately most people are not that crazy

 

[SuperAlly]

What would you do if your neighbor was a terrorist? Just let him be or make sure he doesn't cause harm to your family? Even then, Israel left in 2005. That is almost 2 decades ago. They didn't prosper in Gaza because they elected a terror group that invested solely in military. Why don't other Arab nations want these people? Because it's a culture that has terror rooted in deeply. These are people that cheer death to America.

Difficult questions with easy answers that the terrorist fanboys wilfully ignore

 

[SuperAlly]

He's not completely retarded

But is quite dishonest in his arguments

Making false equivalences all over the shop to pardon disgusting terrorist behaviour like rape, murder, kidnap and attempted genocide

WW2
Step 1 - enter war
Step 2 - win war
Step 3 - unconditional surrender
Step 4 - occupy and integrate back

Those 4 steps had to occur, in order. In Gaza, each ceasefire offer includes unconditional surrender of Hamas, to which they say fuck off. But you somehow think the Germany model can be followed without ANY of those steps.


You literally advocate for a strategy where hamas stays in power of Gaza. So, yeah, the Germany analogy would have the nazi’s in power. Luckily, the nazi’s did unconditionally surrender after losing the war, enabling a victor occupation and rebuild.

It’s telling that you’re now reaching for a but lebanon…….

 

[SuperAlly]

You forgot the part where planning comes between 2 and 3. Which has been my point this whole time.

You aren't big on Israel learning from mistakes, huh? Arrogance and occupation don't usually turn out well for either occupier or occupied.

And I love how it's reach to point out what enabled the rise of Hezbollah...ya know...that group Israel is still fighting.

Lol at this guy mentioning arrogance

 

[kflo]

You forgot the part where planning comes between 2 and 3. Which has been my point this whole time.

no, that hasn't been your point this whole time. you've been criticizing israel for even attempting to regime change in gaza, and for fighting to achieve an unconditional surrender. you've literally argued against that and say it's a bad idea.

and the ceasefire offers dependent on unconditional surrender don't count as planning? you think hamas is just waiting for the right surrender offer? is that what the nazi's held out for?

You aren't big on Israel learning from mistakes, huh? Arrogance and occupation don't usually turn out well for either occupier or occupied.

again, lebanon is not gaza. maybe they DID learn from lebanon, and that's part of why this war is very different than that conflict was.

again, what does work here? occupation usually doesn't work out well, except in the case you referenced as the gold standard........

And I love how it's reach to point out what enabled the rise of Hezbollah...ya know...that group Israel is still fighting.

you pointed to hezbollah after you realized your germany example wasn't the best route.

and you can't say israel didn't "plan or offer a post-war regime that was viable" when they are still engaged with a hostile force. and while i'd prefer to understand a plan right now, i can't say they are doomed to fail post-war yet.

 

[degoj99]

Get back to us when Hamas is gone and all hostages are accounted for. Did the US provide goodies to citizens living in Nazi Germany during WWII? Israel was attacked by Hamas, and been under constant attack from Hezbollah. When there is no more threat to Israel such matters can be discussed.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Deadly Israeli strike shatters sense of ‘safety’ in remote north Lebanon​

The villagers of Ain Yaaqoub spent days identifying charred remains. They fear Israel was targeting displaced people.

A red 'I love you' teddy bear lies in the ruins of a two-storey apartment block in Ain Yaaqoub, Akkar, Lebanon, in the aftermath of an Israeli air raid on Monday night [Raghed Waked/Al Jazeera]

By Madeline Edwards
Published On 13 Nov 202413 Nov 2024

Ain Yaaqoub, Lebanon – Shredded clothing, dusty broken table legs, torn copies of the Quran, a red “I love you” teddy bear and a book on Aristotle amid piles of socks – these, among many other things, lie strewn amid the rubble in the northern Lebanese village of Ain Yaaqoub in Akkar following a deadly Israeli air raid.

Beneath all this, at least one body remains trapped under the rubble of what was a two-storey apartment building, Red Cross rescuers say. Metres away, charred, unrecognisable body parts litter the ground.

- Dont worry fellow Israely. Hollywood will do a movie, painting us as heroes! Go find some woman that we can rape!

Monday night’s Israeli air strike on Ain Yaaqoub in this remote, far northern corner of Lebanon, killed at least 14 people, says Walid Semaan, head of the Lebanese Red Cross’ northern branch.

This was the second Israeli attack on Akkar, Lebanon’s northernmost governorate, since Israel ramped up its deadly bombardment of Lebanon in late September. The previous hit, a week before, destroyed a bridge linking two remote villages in the mountainous region. Nobody was killed that time around.

The attack on Monday, however, was even further north and was nothing less than a “massacre”, according to people in Ain Yaaqoub, taking out not only the apartment building but many more homes around it as well.

“There were so many women and children,” says Feryal Harb, whose deceased brother owned the building that was struck. She weeps as she sits on a concrete block next to the wreckage while neighbours unearth family photo albums and Qurans, handing them to her in succession. “We have so many memories here,” she says.

A little way up the hill from the blast site, Red Cross volunteers shout that they have found more body parts.

Another relative, Hassan Sahmarouni, says he believes the building had been housing about 26 people. But rescuers could not determine which of the dead they unearthed were women, men or children; their bodies were charred and crushed beyond recognition.

At a nearby government hospital are 14 wounded, expected to survive. Another hospital received a burned torso late on Monday night; administrators say they cannot yet determine its identity.

- Kill all civilians. Mmma US will protect us. Err, unless we cross paths with China!

The concrete building housed a Syrian woman and her four daughters who had moved in several years ago. One floor above them was a Lebanese family who had arrived in recent weeks from southern Lebanon’s Nabatieh district, fleeing Israeli bombs, neighbours told Al Jazeera. It was not clear to them why this building in a tiny mountain village, surrounded by olive groves and little else, was struck.

“They kept to themselves, we never got to know them,” says Amina Radwan, a mother of four, whose next-door home is now mangled and blanketed in shards of window glass. She and her children had been out of the house shopping for groceries when the bomb hit. “If we got back home five minutes earlier, God knows what would have happened.”

A false sense of security?

- Heey guys, theres bedridden perople at the hospital. They ease to shot, since we got horrible aim!

With so many dead and multiple surrounding homes ripped apart, residents here now fear they are no longer isolated from a war that has, until now, spared them.

Since October last year, Israeli strikes on Lebanon have killed about 3,300 people, the majority of them since Israel’s onslaught escalated in September. More than 1.2 million people have fled their homes in these two months. Tens of thousands have taken refuge in schools converted into shelters.

Others, however, have moved into vacant apartments in quieter areas of the country away from the front lines, including here in mountainous Akkar.

Some 170km (105 miles) from Lebanon’s embattled southern border and a three-hour drive from the capital, Beirut, Akkar’s remoteness has long meant government neglect. With few job opportunities, many residents work in agriculture or join the army – lending the governorate its nickname, “storehouse of the army”.

- We shoot another american citzen. Don't worry, US goverment will protect us!

But since Israel began its onslaught on Gaza which triggered a near-daily exchange of fire with Hezbollah across the border in Lebanon more than a year ago, that distance gave Akkar a sense of relative safety.

“We didn’t think this could happen here,” says Ahmed Rakhieh, who lives right next to the bomb site.

“Now, khalas [enough]! Nowhere is safe.”

Moments later, the sound of an unseen Israeli fighter jet reverberates.

Zangief: Are you sayng those people defend Israel, even thought they're the bad guys?

Drop the Dead Donkey.

(IYKYK)

 

[avenue94]

no, that hasn't been your point this whole time. you've been criticizing israel for even attempting to regime change in gaza, and for fighting to achieve an unconditional surrender. you've literally argued against that and say it's a bad idea.

and the ceasefire offers dependent on unconditional surrender don't count as planning? you think hamas is just waiting for the right surrender offer? is that what the nazi's held out for?

I've criticized Israel for putting the cart before the horse and attempting regime change without even the slightest public inkling of what is supposed to replace the current regime.

again, lebanon is not gaza. maybe they DID learn from lebanon, and that's part of why this war is very different than that conflict was.

again, what does work here? occupation usually doesn't work out well, except in the case you referenced as the gold standard........

I'm sure they've learned quite of a few tactical lessons. But strategically? There's no evidence of it, aside from a much more dedicated and at times effective effort to shape online discourse and public opinion internationally.

you pointed to hezbollah after you realized your germany example wasn't the best route.

and you can't say israel didn't "plan or offer a post-war regime that was viable" when they are still engaged with a hostile force. and while i'd prefer to understand a plan right now, i can't say they are doomed to fail post-war yet.

I actually highlighted Hezbollah first, don't remember if it was in this thread or another. You act like Israel can't walk and chew gum here. Part of engaging with said hostile force and bringing the conflict to an end is offering a vision of what comes after and why Gazans should buy in. They haven't even tried there, and it's quite clear they realize they don't have many good plans for post-war.

Get back to us when Hamas is gone and all hostages are accounted for. Did the US provide goodies to citizens living in Nazi Germany during WWII? Israel was attacked by Hamas, and been under constant attack from Hezbollah. When there is no more threat to Israel such matters can be discussed.

They provided aid to occupied German citizens during and after the war. Good self own.

 

[kflo]

I've criticized Israel for putting the cart before the horse and attempting regime change without even the slightest public inkling of what is supposed to replace the current regime.

you're aware that 10/7 initiated and made clear the absolute necessity of regime change? there was no waiting. it was immediately mandatory. again, the idea of waiting while a murderous gang plots next door is insane. again, you've stated that hamas should still be ruling gaza because there's noone else to do it and criticized israel. it's a joke.

I'm sure they've learned quite of a few tactical lessons. But strategically? There's no evidence of it, aside from a much more dedicated and at times effective effort to shape online discourse and public opinion internationally.

lol. say what you really want to say here bud.......

and yeah, the palestinian's and their supporters are not constant in flooding misinformation to shape public opinion. check the sticky thread for daily reminder........

I actually highlighted Hezbollah first, don't remember if it was in this thread or another. You act like Israel can't walk and chew gum here. Part of engaging with said hostile force and bringing the conflict to an end is offering a vision of what comes after and why Gazans should buy in. They haven't even tried there, and it's quite clear they realize they don't have many good plans for post-war.

They provided aid to occupied German citizens during and after the war. Good self own.

no, you didn't highlight hezbollah first, you highlighted post-war germany as the gold standard. who unconditionally surrendered and was occupied for years by their conquering foes. it wasn't built on the promise of a bright future. it was built on the acknowledgement that they were defeated militarily and had no future for success. they weren't appealing to the people of germany.

and yes, israel is learning from germany, hamas, hezbollah. terror networks within striking distance can no longer be tolerated. it's not just a nuisance. it's a threat that can't be allowed to exist and must be faced head on.

 

[PhitePhan]

What would you do if your neighbor was a terrorist? Just let him be or make sure he doesn't cause harm to your family?

Jesus Christ, the irony.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Hilarious that bernie and Liz was squawking about this and chastising biden AFTER he became a lame duck

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Jesus Christ, the irony.

"ISRAEL HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG"

"THEY ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT"

"THE ILL FEELING IS PURELY DISCRIMINATORY"

- Bots

 

[avenue94]

you're aware that 10/7 initiated and made clear the absolute necessity of regime change? there was no waiting. it was immediately mandatory. again, the idea of waiting while a murderous gang plots next door is insane. again, you've stated that hamas should still be ruling gaza because there's noone else to do it and criticized israel. it's a joke.

Hamas was containable as long as Israel's government wasn't asleep at the switch. You're making out Hamas to be much more than they are in terms of military power. Again, jumping before you know the landing spot is a really good way to fail in occupying a country that doesn't want to be occupied.

lol. say what you really want to say here bud.......

I did....?

and yeah, the palestinian's and their supporters are not constant in flooding misinformation to shape public opinion. check the sticky thread for daily reminder........

My comment was a dispassionate observation. Israel has done more than previous operations to stay on top of shaping public narratives. More or less than opponents of Israel, I wasn't making a comment on to whether Israel did or not. It's a pointless comparison.

it wasn't built on the promise of a bright future. it was built on the acknowledgement that they were defeated militarily and had no future for success. they weren't appealing to the people of germany.

Right, that's why the US spent so much time and energy on propaganda campaigns to separate Germans from the Nazi regime.

and yes, israel is learning from germany, hamas, hezbollah. terror networks within striking distance can no longer be tolerated. it's not just a nuisance. it's a threat that can't be allowed to exist and must be faced head on.

Let me know when you find that historical example of a colonial power sucessfully occupying and pacifying a country after overthrowing its regime with no plan for what comes next.

 

[djacobox372]

Let me know when you find that historical example of a colonial power sucessfully occupying and pacifying a country after overthrowing its regime with no plan for what comes next.

"colonial power"???? "country"????

WTF are you talking about?

 

[I Am Legion]

Hamas was containable as long as Israel's government wasn't asleep at the switch. You're making out Hamas to be much more than they are in terms of military power. Again, jumping before you know the landing spot is a really good way to fail in occupying a country that doesn't want to be occupied.

Containable? How does any nation contain terrorists? People just focus on the music festival attack and the hostages. But there have been attacks with gunmen all over where a guy will just jump out of a car with a machine gun and start blasting. How do you stop that? They have air defense but rockets are fired at Israel daily from all over. How do you stop that? You eliminate the threat, you don't "contain" it.

 

[kflo]

Hamas was containable as long as Israel's government wasn't asleep at the switch. You're making out Hamas to be much more than they are in terms of military power. Again, jumping before you know the landing spot is a really good way to fail in occupying a country that doesn't want to be occupied.

How are they “containable”? How do you “contain” a murderous terror regime determined to destroy you?

Try to answer without acknowledging it’s by occupying the people that don’t want to be occupied…….

I did....?

My comment was a dispassionate observation. Israel has done more than previous operations to stay on top of shaping public narratives. More or less than opponents of Israel, I wasn't making a comment on to whether Israel did or not. It's a pointless comparison.

This is just jibberish.

Right, that's why the US spent so much time and energy on propaganda campaigns to separate Germans from the Nazi regime.

lol.

Let me know when you find that historical example of a colonial power sucessfully occupying and pacifying a country after overthrowing its regime with no plan for what comes next.

There ultimately will be a plan communicated out. What will you pivot to then?

Again, unconditional surrender is a pre-condition. Until that’s acknowledged and accepted there’s nothing to discuss. The terror group needs to lay down their arms.

Your appeal to history is completely one sided. And there are no real good comparables to begin with. Like you said, the best ones started with unconditional surrender and the people accepting victor occupation and rebuild and looking inward to move forward.