Crime Trump-Ukraine Megathread v4

[LangfordBarrow]

"Dear leader" sounds like a term you lefties would use. We all know that you guys are wsiting for someone to decide everything for you.

My eldest; an actual Trump supporter, calls him "lord god emperor".

Did you give him an American history book when you heard him say that?

 

[Ophydian]

Just like with the Bidens...

I don’t think you understand how investigations work. With the President throwing around so much about the Bidens, you’d think his DoJ would open an investigation. I wonder why they haven’t? Hmmm because there is nothing there.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

No, it isn't fair play, assistance from a foreign nation is against the law.

Search Google for a better source if you like. Here's the first one that popped up.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...achment-updates-ukraine-bernie-sanders-latest

So 1) show me him asking for assiassist from China and 2) admit that the DNC recieved foreign assistance in 2016.

 

[bobgeese]

2 texts from a Ukrainian diplomat cited QPQ. Then 2 responses from a person who had previously donated 1 million dollars to Trump immediately asks for the in-writing convo to cease because it’s damning evidence to the politician whose pockets Sondland just lined.

“Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” Taylor wrote on September “Call me,” Sondland answered.

Eight days later, Taylor wrote: “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.” Sondland responded by denying that this was the case — and urging him not to text about the matter anymore.

Hmmmm... wondered what they talked about on the phone. Seems clearly it was the topic of withholding security assistance.

Funny how you have to remove anyone the texts in your argument. Pretending this being a million dollar trump donator denying trump did wrong while also shitting his pants any time the conversation occurred in writing doesn’t mean anything is very dumb. Wonder why he was so scared to have this in writing?

That’s a fancy way of admitting the text specifically said no QPQ.

 

[Ophydian]

That defense money was already paid before the phone call.

I think trump wanted to hold it up, but it wasn’t

Wrong. It was held up 8 days before his call but funny enough it was sent to Ukraine the moment the WB report came known to the Executive.

 

[bobgeese]

@bobgeese good to still you still floundering around in here with the same posts over and over and over. lol

Low iq is low iq

Zeb, do I need to fill the next 5 pages with your retarded quotes from the last 3 years about Russia?


Remember when you said Kushner would be indicted?

Trump would resign?


Any of that ring a bell?






Please, keep on embarrassing yourself. I’ll have 8 years of ridiculous quotes to ridicule you with.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Trump will literally say anything in the moment if it helps him at that moment. He will say something completely different the next day if it helps him them. He has no convictions so acting like he cares about what China does is laughable. He screamed wall because it got him votes, he screams Biden because it gets him voted and he will scream China in any capacity if it gets him votes.

It’s funny watching people post about Trump as if he has anything besides self preservation on the brain. Oh, and he clearly asked China to investigate Biden: he said it

I don't disagree with anything you said except that he asked China to investigate.

If you can point to him ASKING China to do it or name the Chinese official that he made a request to.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Street smarts are not strong with you. Have you read one negotiating book? Do you honestly think China cares about what Trump says on twitter? Now if I were a country that was in a trade war with my single largest purchaser of stuffs what better way to reduce some level of tariffs without having to pay a cent. It doesn’t cost China a nickel to dig up dirt of Biden. So curry favor with Trump to get a better negotiating position on the tariff fight. It’s honestly not that difficult.

Or let Trump sink and return to the status quo when he's out of office

 

[zebby23]

I don't disagree with anything you said except that he asked China to investigate.

If you can point to him ASKING China to do it or name the Chinese official that he made a request to.

He isn’t asking he is telling which is arguably worse.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I'd bet the same people defending Trump wanting Biden investigated are the same people that were complaining that Obama had Trump investigated and that was McCarthyism.

"OMG he was trying to investigate an American Presidential candidate"

Doesnt that kind of cut both ways?

 

[The ScorpioN]

So you're saying he was joking? If that's your stance fine.

Maybe it was a parody?

 

[Low Test With da Best]

I don’t think you understand how investigations work. With the President throwing around so much about the Bidens, you’d think his DoJ would open an investigation. I wonder why they haven’t? Hmmm because there is nothing there.

You could be right, if it's true no investigation is opened, but my point stands that the Ukraine would not have access to necessary materials/info to properly investigate QPQ with Hunter at Burisma while Joe is tasked with Ukraine, like many posters claim ("it was investigated and they were cleared") IMO.

 

[Damien Karras]

Biden isn’t a political rival, he’s a criminal phile. He isn’t in any way a rival to the president.

LOL so Biden is a criminal phile now? What is Sanders? A money hungry jew part of a global conspiracy?

You lose credibility when you make these wild baseless allegations. Please provide me your source. I know you’re probably going to dig up some nonsense infowars article cause they’re making the freaking frogs gayyy!!

 

[PainIsLIfe]

lol so Trumps own words don’t count huh?



“China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine,”

remember all the Trump lackeys? Trump doesn’t tell you to do things, this is how he talks right?

just another case of Trump taking the side of an adversarial country over US citizens.

I see his words. Can you point to a question in thst statement? A plea? A command?

Nope. Just to much TDS to acknowledge reality.

 

[Ophydian]

You could be right, if it's true no investigation is opened, but my point stands that the Ukraine would not have access to necessary materials/info to properly investigate QPQ with Hunter at Burisma while Joe is tasked with Ukraine, like many posters claim ("it was investigated and they were cleared") IMO.

When I look at a situation like this I don’t listen only but I see what is being done. If Trump really has info on Joe then open an investigation so that evidence can be tried. Screaming there is a crime yet not forcing an investigation tells me all I need to know. Trump does not care about the conclusion of an investigation or if Joe actually did anything wrong. All Trump wants to do is draw false equivalence between himself and Biden so that when people question Trumps behavior they will also have to question Joes. Actually bringing this to an investigation would be the worst thing that could happen because then Trump would be forced to act.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Ah, so he didn't use the word "ask"...

Jesus.

He didnt say China will you. He didn't say China if you. He told some American reporters that China should.

By your logic if I say ANWK should rob a bank so that he isnt poor that I'm now guilt of conspiracy to commit bank robbery because I "asked" him to rob a bank.

 

[Ophydian]

I see his words. Can you point to a question in thst statement? A plea? A command?

Nope. Just to much TDS to acknowledge reality.

One first must live in reality in order to question it.

 

[Ophydian]

He didnt say China will you. He didn't say China if you. He told some American reporters that China should.

By your logic if I say ANWK should rob a bank so that he isnt poor that I'm now guilt of conspiracy to commit bank robbery because I "asked" him to rob a bank.

Purposefully being obtuse, I see going with a 6th grade defense.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

if that's probably 'true', wouldn't the likelihood of his soliciting a bribe probably be true as well? not trying to bust balls here.

I've been saying this for years, he's treating his presidency like a business, & he's only looking to gain. he's always been this way ever since I was a kid in the 80s.

Sure, but we dont impeach presidents for what they'd probably do.

 

[Bob Arctor]

Trump never asked China to investigate the Biden’s. Saying something to a reporter =\= telling China to investigate political rivals.