Crime Trump-Ukraine Megathread v4

[franklinstower]

I see you equivocating between probable nepotism by Biden and crimes by Trump, because you say that Dems should burn them both down. That seems almost unbelievably stupid to me as it distracts heavily from impeachment and plays right into Republican whataboutism hands.

No you don't.

 

[franklinstower]

no lying. In the prior thread and this one, you kept repeating 'that you are not partisan, so you just want to see the right thing done. Trump should go but so should Biden.'

That is a useful idiot position. It is a win for Trump pure and simple in the incredibly dangerous and disingenuous game he is playing.

Trump does a wrong, Hillary gets taken down but he sticks around. Trump does a wrong, Biden gets taken down and Trump is propped up by Repubs and goes no where.

If its Bernie or Warren or whoever next Trump does more wrongs and you call for them to go too while Trump stays.


The swamp sucks. It is the swamp that makes me hate all politicians,but Trump CANNOT be the one to the point to individual instances of legal swampiness while he does illegal things and have the electorate say, yeah that person (Biden) needs to go.

You truly are the purest definition of a useful idiot if you play into Trumps game.

Biden has not been shown to have done anything wrong. Not now, not in the prior investigation on the same matter. But ya that swamp needs rules to clean this shit up.

Liar who has gained courage because someone more intelligent than you has joined the fray.

 

[Fawlty]

No you don't.

I even explained why, which you chose not to bold with 'red'

Maybe you need to try again later with a refreshed mind!

 

[bobgeese]

The fact we have to explain this simple point is what has made me think with the right (wrong) person as POTUS we wad into water that would had been unthinkable 20 years ago. This is the kind of shit we laugh at because it COULD never happen in America. We value laws and morals. We take an oath to the country, not party or politician. And here we are with 38% of the population who are trying to convince the majority that this is normal behavior. This is acceptable behavior and who could see how any of this could turn out bad for everyone.

If this doesn’t take Trump down and he some how wins re-election I would actually feel sorry for Conservatives. 8 years of a black President gave way to the con man President. Just imagine the nightmare which will be waiting for you after 8 years of Trump? And you won’t have a majority.

Again, waiting for you to explain how trump being spied on under the Obama Administration is any different from trump investigating democrats.


What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[CrazyN8]

Fawlty.

I dunno, MikeMcMann has been working hard in the gym, I think he has a shot.

 

[franklinstower]

I even explained why, which you chose not to bold with 'red'

Maybe you need to try again later with a refreshed mind!

But what you said is not equivocating so its not worthy of a serous reply. I don't think Trump and Biden are remotely equal in their crimes and have never said so. You are just being stupid.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You were talking out your ass and won't admit it.

You know Trump didn't ask China to investigate Biden, but your leftist news sources are saying it so you feel compelled to repeat it.

Keep defending the party that actually accepted and paid for foreign interference in the 2016 election.

He literally said China should open an investigation into the Bidens on national television. Damn you guys are delusional.

 

[Ophydian]

Holy shit, somebody call Meuller!!! Opy is on the case.


Last I heard Meuller was seen walking down a dimly lit hallway.

Holy balls what a bad autocorrect. I’ve updated the msg but I meant to say Trump didn’t Collude with Russia and I’m good with that.

 

[bobgeese]

Holy balls what a bad autocorrect. I’ve updated the msg but I meant to say Trump didn’t Collude with Russia and I’m good with that.

I hear ya...

I’ve got words that are spelled wrong, somehow stuck in my autocorrect.

 

[Beastman09]

Again, waiting for you to explain how trump being spied on under the Obama Administration is any different from trump investigating democrats.


What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Trump, was never "spied on". His campaign officials were running around bragging about "dirt on Hillary" from Russia.After that the FBI(on their own accord) began their counterintelligence operation. What did you want the FBI to do? Just ignore it?

But more to the point, Trump isn't an investigator. If there were genuine issues, the FBI would be investigating. Instead Trump is begging other countries to investigate Biden.

You are delusional.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You were talking out your ass and won't admit it.

You know Trump didn't ask China to investigate Biden, but your leftist news sources are saying it so you feel compelled to repeat it.

Keep defending the party that actually accepted and paid for foreign interference in the 2016 election.

Are you saying that aware of his call with the Chinese in June? He didn't literally ask the Chinese for help the other day but publicly stating that they should investigate Biden is giving them the green light. We know the Russians were listening and acted when he asked for their help in '16. He's already admitted to Stephanopoulos he'd accept foreign intelligence and despite the backlash to those comments he's actively recruiting a foreign nation to dig up "opposition research" on Biden.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yep. She was clearly lying.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I know. Your love for injustice must serve you well given your political leaning.

 

[bobgeese]

Trump, was never "spied on". His campaign officials were running around bragging about "dirt on Hillary" from Russia.After that the FBI(on their own accord) began their counterintelligence operation. What did you want the FBI to do? Just ignore it?

But more to the point, Trump isn't an investigator. If there were genuine issues, the FBI would be investigating. Instead Trump is begging other countries to investigate Biden.

You are delusional.

Stephan Halper was already dispatched to spy on members of the trump campaign before Downers conversation was relayed back to US authorities.

Fact.


Now... Head back to the little league bitchman, the adults are having a discussion.

 

[HereticBD]

LOL @ this thread.

 

[MilesAbove]

Now... Head back to the little league bitchman, the adults are having a discussion.

To everyone: It seems like you're losing the argument, or it seems like you feel you are losing, when you do this.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I just want to share where I am on this.

When I first heard the transcript from the call, it sounded bad, but I didn't think you could prove anything.

Now, we know Trump withheld the funds to the Ukraine. That is extortion.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

A 2nd whistleblower emerges

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-whistleblower-forward-speaking-ig-attorney/story?id=66092396

Mark Zaid, the attorney representing the whistleblower who sounded the alarm on President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine and triggered an impeachmentinquiry, tells ABC News that he is now representing a second whistleblower who has spoken with the inspector general.

Zaid tells ABC News' Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos that the second person -- also described as an intelligence official -- has first-hand knowledge of some of the allegations outlined in the original complaint and has been interviewed by the head of the intelligence community's internal watchdog office, Michael Atkinson.


The existence of a second whistleblower -- particularly one who can speak directly about events involving the president related to conversations involving Ukraine -- could undercut Trump's repeated insistence that the original complaint, released on Sept. 26, was "totally inaccurate."

That original seven-page complaint alleged that Trump pushed a foreign power to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden, and Biden's son, Hunter, and that unnamed senior White House officials then tried to "lock down" all records of the phone call.

"This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call," the first whistleblower stated, in a complaint filed Aug. 12.

 

[bobgeese]

To everyone: It seems like you're losing the argument, or it seems like you feel you are losing, when you do this.

Well, then surely he’ll be along any moment to explain why Halper was already dispatched prior to Downers conversation reaching US authorities.

 

[bobgeese]

A 2nd whistleblower emerges

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-whistleblower-forward-speaking-ig-attorney/story?id=66092396

Mark Zaid, the attorney representing the whistleblower who sounded the alarm on President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine and triggered an impeachmentinquiry, tells ABC News that he is now representing a second whistleblower who has spoken with the inspector general.

Zaid tells ABC News' Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos that the second person -- also described as an intelligence official -- has first-hand knowledge of some of the allegations outlined in the original complaint and has been interviewed by the head of the intelligence community's internal watchdog office, Michael Atkinson.


The existence of a second whistleblower -- particularly one who can speak directly about events involving the president related to conversations involving Ukraine -- could undercut Trump's repeated insistence that the original complaint, released on Sept. 26, was "totally inaccurate."

That original seven-page complaint alleged that Trump pushed a foreign power to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden, and Biden's son, Hunter, and that unnamed senior White House officials then tried to "lock down" all records of the phone call.

"This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call," the first whistleblower stated, in a complaint filed Aug. 12.

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WATCH News headlines today: Oct. 4, 2019
Mark Zaid, the attorney representing the whistleblower who sounded the alarm on President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine and triggered an impeachmentinquiry, tells ABC News that he is now representing a second whistleblower who has spoken with the inspector general.

Zaid tells ABC News' Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos that the second person -- also described as an intelligence official -- has first-hand knowledge of some of the allegations outlined in the original complaint and has been interviewed by the head of the intelligence community's internal watchdog office, Michael Atkinson.

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The existence of a second whistleblower -- particularly one who can speak directly about events involving the president related to conversations involving Ukraine -- could undercut Trump's repeated insistence that the original complaint, released on Sept. 26, was "totally inaccurate."

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That original seven-page complaint alleged that Trump pushed a foreign power to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden, and Biden's son, Hunter, and that unnamed senior White House officials then tried to "lock down" all records of the phone call.

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"This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call," the first whistleblower stated, in a complaint filed Aug. 12.


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Zaid says both officials have full protectionof the law intended to protect whistleblowers from being fired in retaliation. While this second official has spoken with the IG -- the internal watchdog office created to handle complaints -- this person has not communicated yet with the congressional committees conducting theinvestigation.

The New York Times on Friday cited anonymous sources in reporting that a second intelligence official was weighing whether to file his own former complaint and testify to Congress. Zaid says he does not know if the second whistleblower he represents is the person identified in the Times report.

According to the first whistleblower, more than a half a dozen U.S. officials have information relevant to the investigation -- suggesting the probe could widen even further.

You do realize the guy on the other end of the phone has already stated there was nothing wrong, right?


Good luck on the second whistleblower. Surely, this time it will be the end of drumph...