International Trump says Russia should be readmitted to G7

[Videer]

If Europe can no longer see US as a reliable security partner while Trump treats Europe as some kind of a economic adversary what reason does Europe have to align with US on something like China? Or is the plan that Russia is replacing Europe as an ally against China while Russia is sliding to ever increasing dependence on China?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

U.S.-Russia Relations: “Reset” Fact Sheet

In one of his earliest new foreign policy initiatives, President Obama sought to reset relations with Russia and reverse what he called a “dangerous drift” in this impor

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[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Trump is in the middle of trying to negotiate a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine.

What an asshole!

 

[HereticBD]

It's up to Ukraine if they want to fight or not I think. If they want to carry on fighting then we can carry on helping them to me.

Well that's pretty silly to just give the Ukrainians billions of dollars every other month for a war effort they can't possibly win on their own. You're just throwing money(and lives) away to end up at the same point. Making a deal.

 

[ChosenOne]

It never ceases to amaze me how your tribe invents quotes and arguments that don't exist, attribute them to your opposition, then claim victory by insisting you defeated arguments only you yourself invented. In fact, this was my original comment in that thread:

Any future discussion of that topic may continue in its own thread.

Irony much.

No i NEVER believed Matt Walsh and was unaware of what he said as i was instead focused on what TRUMP HIMSELF had said and what the head of the Federalist Society has said.

Madmick, this is the extent of your dishonesty and inability to admit a wrong and you inventing arguments you believe you can win instead of dealing with reality.

Answer this... Why would anyone refer to Matt Walsh's view while excluding these words below TRUMP ACTUALLY SAID when referring to Trump's position? Why will you not acknowledge Trump said them...

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Trump was abundantly clear...

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Trump also spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

The project’s website bills it as a “governing agenda” that would “pave the way for an effective conservative Administration.”

 

[Rod1]

ecause they're not gonna continue to receive billions of dollars to fight until the end of time

This got to be the most retarded take i have seen in a while.

On both instances Ukraine is thrown to the curb, so why would they accept surrendering to Russia? also why would Russia accept any concession if Ukraine is going to be thrown to the curb eitherway?

 

[Rod1]

Well that's pretty silly to just give the Ukrainians billions of dollars every other month for a war effort they can't possibly win on their own. You're just throwing money(and lives) away to end up at the same point. Making a deal.

You would still need to give Ukraine billions of dollars so they can actually build a deterrence force or Russia would simply invade again.

 

[HereticBD]

This got to be the most retarded take i have seen in a while.

On both instances Ukraine is thrown to the curb

Without boots on the ground, that's where they're at. Sorry, it's not a fairy tale.

 

[ChosenOne]

What an asshole!

I'm going to "negotiate" a deal with the person suing you, without involving you but telling you, you must pay it.

I'm doing it because i have he power and you cannot stop me, and for the sake of ending this contentious issue.

That is not an asshole, thing to do right?

 

[ChosenOne]

Well that's pretty silly to just give the Ukrainians billions of dollars every other month for a war effort they can't possibly win on their own. You're just throwing money(and lives) away to end up at the same point. Making a deal.

Great lesson for CHina to learn as they look to Hong Kong and other claimed territories.

Just invade already and then enter immediately in to negotiations as to what you get to keep, as Trump is an easy mark for that.

 

[ChosenOne]

You would still need to give Ukraine billions of dollars so they can actually build a deterrence force or Russia would simply invade again.

What @HereticBD and others learned from history is the best way to stop aggressors like Russia and CHina is to keep conceding them land gains, as that is the best way to 'save America money long term'.

They are too stupid to see the world has walked this path before and in fact it ends up costing the US and the rest of the world far more.

 

[Rod1]

Without boots on the ground, that's where they're at. Sorry, it's not a fairy tale.

Ok, so they are fucked eitherway, and that's not a "Trump peace plan" its just America abandoning Ukraine.

Europe will still help Zelensky as they are interested in keeping the buffer zone with Russia.

 

[CatchnShoot]

What an asshole!

lol... what a shit poster.

Stopping support of Ukraine (you know, the country that Putin invaded).
Lobbying for Russian readmission to the G7+1
Stating Ukraine needs to cede territory.

It's not so much negotiating for peace, as lobbying for Ukraine to capitulate. You want to take a victory lap for that disgusting display of cowardice??

Ok, just remember your answer when Shitler rolls up on YOUR home and native land buddeh.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Europe will still help Zelensky as they are interested in keeping the buffer zone with Russia.

Doubt it. I'm european and people here are exhausted of the whole ukraine deal. very few people care. we already have economic problems, it's simply not realistic to keep throwing money we don't have in a black hole.

ukraine ain't ever winning this thing, it never could, it was just an internet meme. the best it can hope for currently is a much smaller country and the perspective of joining the EU in like 30 years or more.

 

[Darkballs]

LOL, the irony. You were the one who brought up the DNC. You've spun around so hard with this bitch slap you forgot where this all began. Here's my original comment from that thread.

As I irrefutably just showed, yes, that's true of the Democratic party in the USA.

No problem. You still have not shown in any way that "men can get pregnant," is the official policy of the DNC. The individual you just quoted was a doctor, and not an official within the party. Therefore, quoting him as proof that the DNC believe "men can get pregnant," is not just inaccurate, but retarded. Furthermore, your highlighted sentences such as Meanwhile, there is very much a real movement that has taken hold of the left that has pushed for pronouns, transgender rights, are also not evidence that the DNC has an official policy that men can get pregnant."

And finally, ending your argument with any version of:

Please, Darkballs, be proud enough to persist. I will gleefully continue to twist my boot into your throat.

is also, not proof of anything other than a deep deep insecurity from a man who simply cannot back up what he claimed. Until you can actually find a statement from the DNC, you're wasting everyone's time. A statement from a doctor, is not a statement from the DNC. It doesn't become a statement from the DNC just because this doctor appeared at one of these events. And claiming that DEI is being discussed amongst the left, is again not proof that the DNC has a policy of men getting pregnant.

So, in sum, you have completely failed to support your claim. You have had zero success finding evidence that the DNC ever had men getting pregnant as any type of official statement or policy. Instead you've had to quote other people and beg us to accept that as proof of something the DNC said.

And we won't, because we aren't liars like you. So until you can find me an actual quote from the DNC, not some guy who attended at DNC event, you're just plain wrong.

But I do thank your for these little temper tantrums. They takes mere moments to debunk and your rage and really awkward tough guy talk makes it all worth it.

 

[Rod1]

Doubt it. I'm european and people here are exhausted of the whole ukraine deal. very few people care. we already have economic problems, it's simply not realistic to keep throwing money we don't have in a black hole.

A pittance to keep the Russians away is still going to be more cost effective than having to deal with Russian asymmetric warfare on the EU.

They don't need to help Ukraine win, they just need to keep Zelensky's government alive.

 

[VinceArch]

Trump is just putting Putin in his place.

The throne?

 

[The XL]

Ukraine can't beat Russia without NATO. It's cruel to allow the Zelensky puppet government to force men who don't want to fight to wage an unwinnable war.

 

[DoctorTaco]

It's not so much negotiating for peace, as lobbying for Ukraine to capitulate

To quote lil petey hegsgeth when asked what Russia is being asked to concede:

“ Well, that's — I would start by saying the arguments that have been made that somehow coming to the table right now is making concessions to Vladimir Putin outright, that we otherwise — or that the President of the United States shouldn't otherwise make, I just reject that at its face.”

 

[filthybliss]

Russia and China are allies, hurting Russia hurts China, or at least changes the calculus.

That dude is such a cuck.

Abandoning Ukraine gives China the opportunity to sanewash itself and build bridges with Europe since Trump is betraying Europe+the rest of the Western World here.

Ukraine can't beat Russia without NATO. It's cruel to allow the Zelensky puppet government to force men who don't want to fight to wage an unwinnable war.

Ukraine can surrender anytime that it wants. But it is clear that they hate Russia. You also seem to forget that Russia is invading them. Not vice versa…