Elections Trump says Elon Musk has agreed to lead proposed government efficiency commission as ex-president unveils new economic plans

[Rob Battisti]

If there are positions that are needed but staffed by poor performers it’s not necessarily a net gain to eliminate the position if a higher performer in that same role can add value. That's a nuance that gets lots when you muddy the waters by conflating lay offs with RIF.

They are essentially the same thing and companies interchange them as to not have the news say they had a “lay off”. Getting to the specifics of what each of them are is a silly game to play when it’s been my job for over a decade.

I think you should have to make the case for it and even if you do you would have to do so accepting that it might not vindicate your position. I don't think we should take for granted that we need an RIF just because Trump said something that might suggest that.

wtf does Trump have to do with this? I’d call for this forever. I’m saying what GORE did was a good thing and we need it again. Stop thinking about Trump 24/7.

I also feel like you are still conflating a government and how it should be ran to a business

I’m not.

Yeah a government is not a multinational corp and should not be ran like one at all.

It’s an organization and organizations do better when there is an incentive to be effective and efficient.

Don’t like it every year? Fine. Every 5 years see where there is fat and trim it.

Cutting which departments at this point?

I don’t know but I do know that you can cut organizations and remain as effective. You’re arguing that government can’t run without trimming its workforce.

 

[CubicleGangster]

I’m not.

You very clearly are

It’s an organization and organizations do better when there is an incentive to be effective and efficient.

Don’t like it every year? Fine. Every 5 years see where there is fat and trim it.

Can you expand on this because I am not sure I get your point here. Why do lay offs need to happen as an incentive to be effective and efficient? Can an organization strive for those without layoffs? I think so. I also never opposed increasing the government's efficiency or preventing layoffs. I've only argued a department being created solely for that job seems like a waste within our own government.

I don’t know but I do know that you can cut organizations and remain as effective. You’re arguing that government can’t run without trimming its workforce.

No I am not. I am arguing that creating this department will not actually accomplish that goal. I stated that from the beginning.

 

[Islam Imamate]

They are essentially the same thing and companies interchange them as to not have the news say they had a “lay off”. Getting to the specifics of what each of them are is a silly game to play when it’s been my job for over a decade.

Uh sure but you are saying that because we haven't had an RIF in 30 years that since then the government hasn't been able to lay off poor performers but I don't think that's right, you're using these terms interchangeably and in a way that muddies the argument. These are two separate issues, one is making ti easier for the federal government to fire bad workers and the other is whether the federal workforce is too large. The former I can am sympathetic to but the latter I would not take for granted.

wtf does Trump have to do with this? I’d call for this forever. I’m saying what GORE did was a good thing and we need it again. Stop thinking about Trump 24/7.

What is the first term in the thread title?

 

[CubicleGangster]

Uh sure but you are saying that because we haven't had an RIF in 30 years that since then the government hasn't been able to lay off poor performers but I don't think that's right, you're using these terms interchangeably and in a way that muddies the argument. These are two separate issues, one is making ti easier for the federal government to fire bad workers and the other is whether the federal workforce is too large. The former I can am sympathetic to but the latter I would not take for granted.

What is the first term in the thread title?

Hey man, don't you dare bring up Trump in thread about a proposal made by Trump

 

[Islam Imamate]

Hey man, don't you dare bring up Trump in thread about a proposal made by Trump

"I'm going to defend Trump's policy proposal but also this conversation has nothing to do with Trump"

 

[curryjunkie]

He didn't create Tesla, bud. FFS. And you still have yet to comment on the ethical issue of him being in that position. It is a conflict of interest and alone should disqualify him from that position.

Do you know that Starlink is not the only satellite internet and it was not even the first?

Tired of " elon invented the EV " bullshit..

 

[CubicleGangster]

Tired of " elon invented the EV " bullshit..

It gets old
Same with "he invented PayPal" even though he didn't and did such a poor job running the company when he took over that the board fired him in order to bring back Thiel.

 

[Cajun]

He didn't create Tesla, bud. FFS. And you still have yet to comment on the ethical issue of him being in that position. It is a conflict of interest and alone should disqualify him from that position.

Do you know that Starlink is not the only satellite internet and it was not even the first?

If there has been someone that has done more in the time and been a recognized impact I'd like to hear them. I told you cut that funding. If he's still taking it then it should be cut off anyway.

 

[CubicleGangster]

If there has been someone that has done more in the time and been a recognized impact I'd like to hear them. I told you cut that funding. If he's still taking it then it should be cut off anyway.

There probably is, problem is we can't do an accurate comparison because you are badly misinformed about Elon's actual accomplishments.
You can't give him the position in the first place, its a massive ethical breach. You don't do that then wish for the best. And he can't give up on the subsidies that would negatively impact his wealth and he would never allow that. I'm not even sure you can just flippantly cut them off like that, either. That isn't a good solution to the conflict of interest problem. Seriously, you would have to be an awful leader to appoint someone with such a conflict of interest then just keep your fingers crossed it works.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Brilliant idea. Hire the guy who shit posted away, 60% of the value of the company he just bought.

only the best!

 

[Rob Battisti]

The fact that you’re both arguing that an organization, one known for being ineffective and inefficient, that has 2.2 million employees doesn’t have wasted headcount is insane.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Not thought impossible but not done. He started the electric car revolution.... he has done amazing things with starlink. Tesla is valued at 665 billion and starlink at 65 or so billion. He's talking the underground car transport etc. The guy is an innovator and knows how to grow profits...

And while Twitter may not be making as much money without the CIA and other agencies throwing money at them for control.

But I think it is at all time high traffic

 

[Islam Imamate]

The fact that you’re both arguing that an organization, one known for being ineffective and inefficient, that has 2.2 million employees doesn’t have wasted headcount is insane.

I didn't say that though, that could very well be true but I just don't think you've done a good job arguing your case.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I didn't say that though, that could very well be true but I just don't think you've done a good job arguing your case.

Any organization that isn’t run in a way which the pay structure doesn’t reward effectiveness, hasn’t had auditory practices which identify and remove employees en masse on a regular basis in 30 years, isn’t incentivized to utilize funding effectively and has needless layers of leadership is in need of a review.

That review should be for the purpose of identifying and alleviating waste.

I’d be in favor of a task force, if not an agency, which handled this on a regular basis and produced reports available to Congress and the American people.

I don’t give a shit if it’s trumps idea. I don’t give a shit if it’s Elon. The idea has merit and anyone arguing against it is essentially saying that there is no need to review the way the government is run because, in their opinion, it’s being run exceptionally well and government has their full vote of confidence.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

If people want firings, I think that is why they decided to steal 2020, along with all the lawfare against him and CIA assassination.

Remember, Trump proposed schedule F to fire all these DC bureaucracy class. Once he did that toward the end of his presidency, the deep state amplified their attacks on him and installed Joe Biden, the epitome of a bureaucrat enabler.

Trump stills plans on schedule F, if elected, and is going to fire thousands of useless people with 100k+ salaries

 

[Helden]

So basically Trump is just trying to get money for his dying campaign from Elon

 

[fingercuffs]

If people want firings, I think that is why they decided to steal 2020, along with all the lawfare against him and CIA assassination.

Remember, Trump proposed schedule F to fire all these DC bureaucracy class. Once he did that toward the end of his presidency, the deep state amplified their attacks on him and installed Joe Biden, the epitome of a bureaucrat enabler.

Trump stills plans on schedule F, if elected, and is going to fire thousands of useless people with 100k+ salaries

Oh my days, permission to share this on Facebook for a laugh?!

Edit: I'm not going to do that, no worries.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Any organization that isn’t run in a way which the pay structure doesn’t reward effectiveness, hasn’t had auditory practices which identify and remove employees en masse on a regular basis in 30 years, isn’t incentivized to utilize funding effectively and has needless layers of leadership is in need of a review.

That review should be for the purpose of identifying and alleviating waste.

I’d be in favor of a task force, if not an agency, which handled this on a regular basis and produced reports available to Congress and the American people.

I don’t give a shit if it’s trumps idea. I don’t give a shit if it’s Elon. The idea has merit and anyone arguing against it is essentially saying that there is no need to review the way the government is run because, in their opinion, it’s being run exceptionally well and government has their full vote of confidence.

I don't think I would take for granted that we need regular RIFs and I agree with CubicleGangeter that merely appealing to the timeline isn't sufficient justification.

In theory a watchdog agency or task force entrusted to increase efficiency could be good but people like yourself and Trump are starting off with the assumption that there must be cuts and given that Trump operates in bad faith as a matter of course I would absolutely not entrust him to create such a task force and especially not if Elon is made the head of it.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I don't think I would take for granted that we need regular RIFs and I agree with CubicleGangeter that merely appealing to the timeline isn't sufficient justification.

If in 30 years without any wide scale review or reduction you haven’t created a bloated organization I’d literally lay my life down and worship at the alter of a perfectly run organization.

Aka it isn’t possible.

In theory a watchdog agency or task force entrusted to increase efficiency could be good but people like yourself and Trump are starting off with the assumption that there must be cuts and given that Trump operates in bad faith as a matter of course I would absolutely not entrust him to create such a task force and especially not if Elon is made the head of it.

Great — so we agree. The other difference being that my expertise leads me to have the opinion that the organization is due for trimming.

 

[Islam Imamate]

If in 30 years without any wide scale review or reduction you haven’t created a bloated organization I’d literally lay my life down and worship at the alter of a perfectly run organization.

Aka it isn’t possible.

That's like your opinion man.

Great — so we agree. The other difference being that my expertise leads me to have the opinion that the organization is due for trimming.

We probably as I wouldn't want to see this implemented by Trump and would expect it to backfire if he it was.