Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

[Sara]

No. It has to be the other way around. That was yet another chance to offer up any minor tidbit whatsoever to support your many claims about me and about how people arrested following the Jan. 6 insurrection were treated, and you failed utterly once again.

You fail over and over to show me up because you hate my guts only for making you look dumb, when sadly, you didn't need my help. You can pack it in now because it's not going to get any better for you.

Andy you’re paranoid.

 

[Sara]

Do you mean taken over by migrants? I thought that was a lie?

I legit thought it was a right wing group.

 

[Sara]

I'm not really following along with you guys, and hope you don't think I'm piling on, but yes the right uses the summer of love and mostly peaceful in a mocking manner. Realistically though the BLM protests were mostly peaceful as in most people were there to protest police brutality while some just showed up to see what they could rob and burn down.

It's no different than the Stop the Steal rallyers were mostly peaceful with only a thousand or two of them actually breaching the Capitol and less than that actually attacking police or breaking/stealing property.

Yes that’s what I said I was being a smart ass when I post that we were told they were peaceful protests. Thank you for pointing out that everyone but Andy got it.


And no 1500 were charged on Jan 6, what’s different is during the non peaceful parts of the riots whole groups were not charged. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a committee made up to find all those that were burning and looting, or just those that were with the crowd when they started burning, looting or attacking police/civilians.

 

[Sara]

I’ve asked several times who you guys are referring to and no one has been able to say. Who got “locked up for decades” solely for being in a restricted area? I’ve posted databases listing all those convicted and their sentences.

I’m going to regret this as every time I post from google or quote a sherdog post to prove my point I’m told it’s not good enough but

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/06/january-6-cases-donald-trump-00196501

 

[BFoe]

I’m going to regret this as every time I post from google or quote a sherdog post to prove my point I’m told it’s not good enough but

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/06/january-6-cases-donald-trump-00196501

I haven’t followed your posts ITT closely enough to know which side you’re on in this debate, but that article is a great one that I think proves my point very well. It also links to stats released by the DOJ just a few weeks ago that I think are really interesting, so I’m going to summarize those below because I think everyone should see them. Regarding literal trespassers, it says this:

“Prosecutors also emphasized what they say is their restraint in deciding which defendants to charge. They’ve largely opted against charging people who trespassed on Capitol grounds but didn’t enter the building, and the Justice Department said that discretion has led them to decline about 400 cases presented for potential prosecution by the FBI.”

400 people trespassed, and weren’t even charged let alone locked up for years as is being claimed.

The article also linked to a DOJ site (this link here) that had some interesting stats.
It says that out of 1583 cases:

• 608 have been charged with assaulting resisting, or impeding law enforcement agents or officers or obstructing those officers
• 180 have been charged with using or carrying a dangerous weapon
• 153 have been charged with destruction or theft of federal property
• 300 or so cases are still pending

Let’s do quick math. If we subtract those numbers above from 1583, that leaves 342 cases which could be our “trespassers” in question. And yet:
1100 people have already completed sentences! They’ve had their cases charged, litigated, convicted, sentenced, and served those sentences already.
This seems to pretty well bust the myth that we’re imprisoning people for years for minor stuff.

 

[Sara]

I haven’t followed your posts ITT closely enough to know which side you’re on in this debate, but that article is a great one that I think proves my point very well. It also links to stats released by the DOJ just a few weeks ago that I think are really interesting, so I’m going to summarize those below because I think everyone should see them. Regarding literal trespassers, it says this:

“Prosecutors also emphasized what they say is their restraint in deciding which defendants to charge. They’ve largely opted against charging people who trespassed on Capitol grounds but didn’t enter the building, and the Justice Department said that discretion has led them to decline about 400 cases presented for potential prosecution by the FBI.”

400 people trespassed, and weren’t even charged let alone locked up for years as is being claimed.

The article also linked to a DOJ site (this link here) that had some interesting stats.
It says that out of 1583 cases:

• 608 have been charged with assaulting resisting, or impeding law enforcement agents or officers or obstructing those officers
• 180 have been charged with using or carrying a dangerous weapon
• 153 have been charged with destruction or theft of federal property
• 300 or so cases are still pending

Let’s do quick math. If we subtract those numbers above from 1583, that leaves 342 cases which could be our “trespassers” in question. And yet:
1100 people have already completed sentences! They’ve had their cases charged, litigated, convicted, sentenced, and served those sentences already.
This seems to pretty well bust the myth that we’re imprisoning people for years for minor stuff.

My point (usually) is that both sides are fucking terrible but only one side is treated like the Antichrist

 

[Andy Capp]

edit:

 

[Andy Capp]

I haven’t followed your posts ITT closely enough to know which side you’re on in this debate, but that article is a great one that I think proves my point very well. It also links to stats released by the DOJ just a few weeks ago that I think are really interesting, so I’m going to summarize those below because I think everyone should see them. Regarding literal trespassers, it says this:

“Prosecutors also emphasized what they say is their restraint in deciding which defendants to charge. They’ve largely opted against charging people who trespassed on Capitol grounds but didn’t enter the building, and the Justice Department said that discretion has led them to decline about 400 cases presented for potential prosecution by the FBI.”

400 people trespassed, and weren’t even charged let alone locked up for years as is being claimed.

The article also linked to a DOJ site (this link here) that had some interesting stats.
It says that out of 1583 cases:

• 608 have been charged with assaulting resisting, or impeding law enforcement agents or officers or obstructing those officers
• 180 have been charged with using or carrying a dangerous weapon
• 153 have been charged with destruction or theft of federal property
• 300 or so cases are still pending

Let’s do quick math. If we subtract those numbers above from 1583, that leaves 342 cases which could be our “trespassers” in question. And yet:
1100 people have already completed sentences! They’ve had their cases charged, litigated, convicted, sentenced, and served those sentences already.
This seems to pretty well bust the myth that we’re imprisoning people for years for minor stuff.

Regarding the italicised paragraph, I would add the one that follows, thus,
"“Because of this exercise of prosecutorial discretion, the typical charged January 6 rioter committed multiple federal crimes,” prosecutors indicated in the update."

The accusation that harmless protestors were villainized and tossed in a hole to rot has no merit (according to the information available).

 

[BFoe]

Regarding the italicised paragraph, I would add the one that follows, thus,
"“Because of this exercise of prosecutorial discretion, the typical charged January 6 rioter committed multiple federal crimes,” prosecutors indicated in the update."

The accusation that harmless protestors were villainized and tossed in a hole to rot has no merit (according to the information available).

I almost did add that in, and I think it’s a good point. Let’s keep our eye on this whole Proud Boys situation, now that Tarrio is out and already calling for retribution. I highly suspect Trump pardoned guys like him because Trump has a purpose for a loyal, private militia force. Let’s see how he uses the Proud Boys in the coming months.

 

[Sara]

I see no one is going to mention that there were 300 still waiting for sentencing and 6 still in prison. Which I’m sorry 6 still in prison (or jail) for 4 years is too long. We’ve had threads about prisoners left too long in jail (rikers I think) and most agreed it was to long to be left waiting

 

[Sara]

I almost did add that in, and I think it’s a good point. Let’s keep our eye on this whole Proud Boys situation, now that Tarrio is out and already calling for retribution. I highly suspect Trump pardoned guys like him because Trump has a purpose for a loyal, private militia force. Let’s see how he uses the Proud Boys in the coming months.

How or if he uses them


I honestly think there’s going to be more cases of SOME of those pardoned being arrested again (like what already happened with 1)

 

[Confucamus]

Are you sure about that because you are still. Whataboutism for 3 pages now about a man being pardoned who beat up a female cop so fucking bad she has permanent brain damage.
So save me the pearl clutching.
Also go back to those treads and you will always see I support any protest as long as you don’t break the law.
Never thought I would see you go to the mattresses for a dude who gave a female police officer brain damage. Pro -tip it’s a really fucking bad look for you.

I've said several times anybody who assaulted a police officer deserved to serve their whole sentence. You have zero idea what the hell you are talking about.

 

[BFoe]

Yes that’s what I said I was being a smart ass when I post that we were told they were peaceful protests. Thank you for pointing out that everyone but Andy got it.


And no 1500 were charged on Jan 6, what’s different is during the non peaceful parts of the riots whole groups were not charged. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a committee made up to find all those that were burning and looting, or just those that were with the crowd when they started burning, looting or attacking police/civilians.

What do you mean, of course whole groups were charged. Associated Press reports 10,000 people arrested in the first 10 days after George Floyd’s death alone.

AP tally: Arrests at widespread US protests hit 10,000

PHOENIX (AP) — More than 10,000 people have been arrested in protests decrying racism and police brutality in the wake of George Floyd's death, according to an Associated Press tally of known arrests across the U.S.

apnews.com

I think comparing J6 to the George Floyd riots is a terrible comparison in general, but also so many falsehoods prevail. Here is a pretty good article comparing the two.

https://thegrio.com/2023/01/06/a-tale-of-two-insurrections-comparing-the-data-from-the-jan-6-riot-to-

 

[Andy Capp]

I see no one is going to mention that there were 300 still waiting for sentencing and 6 still in prison. Which I’m sorry 6 still in prison (or jail) for 4 years is too long. We’ve had threads about prisoners left too long in jail (rikers I think) and most agreed it was to long to be left waiting

Where does it say 300 are awaiting sentencing?

Do you mean this part?

"The new figures also highlight how many pending cases Trump will inherit. Though about 1,100 defendants have been convicted and reached sentencing — including 700 who have completed jail sentences or received no incarceration at all — another 300 charged cases have not yet reached trial or a guilty plea, including about 180 facing felony charges.

Trump has rooted his pardon pledge in a claim about the status of defendants held in Washington, D.C.’s jail, which he’s argued is unsafe. But the Justice Department indicated that just 10 Jan. 6 defendants — including eight awaiting trial but detained because of other exacerbating factors —remain in the D.C. jail."

 

[Sara]

What do you mean, of course whole groups were charged. Associated Press reports 10,000 people arrested in the first 10 days after George Floyd’s death alone.

AP tally: Arrests at widespread US protests hit 10,000

PHOENIX (AP) — More than 10,000 people have been arrested in protests decrying racism and police brutality in the wake of George Floyd's death, according to an Associated Press tally of known arrests across the U.S.

apnews.com

I think comparing J6 to the George Floyd riots is a terrible comparison in general, but also so many falsehoods prevail. Here is a pretty good article comparing the two.

https://thegrio.com/2023/01/06/a-tale-of-two-insurrections-comparing-the-data-from-the-jan-6-riot-to-

How many were charged for over 20 years? And please also consider in the 10,000 the protests took place in more than 1 city/location.

Oh and I’m also only asking about the charges from those protests to compare to the Jan 6 average charges someone told me about.

 

[Sara]

Where does it say 300 are awaiting sentencing?

Do you mean this part?

"The new figures also highlight how many pending cases Trump will inherit. Though about 1,100 defendants have been convicted and reached sentencing — including 700 who have completed jail sentences or received no incarceration at all — another 300 charged cases have not yet reached trial or a guilty plea, including about 180 facing felony charges.

Trump has rooted his pardon pledge in a claim about the status of defendants held in Washington, D.C.’s jail, which he’s argued is unsafe. But the Justice Department indicated that just 10 Jan. 6 defendants — including eight awaiting trial but detained because of other exacerbating factors —remain in the D.C. jail."

Oh it was 10 not 6 still in jail.

 

[BFoe]

I see no one is going to mention that there were 300 still waiting for sentencing and 6 still in prison. Which I’m sorry 6 still in prison (or jail) for 4 years is too long. We’ve had threads about prisoners left too long in jail (rikers I think) and most agreed it was to long to be left waiting

Are you kidding me? Let’s look at who got these long prison sentences.
Several of these are seditious conspiracy, that is, literally planning a violent armed over throw of the government. Enrique Tarrio, Stewart Rhodes, Ethan Nordeam, Joseph Biggs, and Zachary Rehl.

There’s people like David Dempsey, who “repeatedly attacked police for more than an hour, throwing poles and deploying bear spray at the line of officers protecting the Capitol. He used bear spray directly inside the mask of one officer, who testified that he thought he might die. He used a crutch to smash another officer’s head, cracking his plastic face shield and giving him a concussion.”

Daniel Rodriguez, “who took a Taser that had been stolen from an officer. When Officer Michael Fanone was pulled into the mob, Rodriguez ran through the crowd to shock Fanone twice on the neck, causing him to have a heart attack. “Tazzzzed the f--- out of the blue,” Rodriguez messaged his friends.”

You seriously think these people were in prison too long? Dude.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/01/19/j6-offenders-longest-sentences-capitol-riot/

 

[BFoe]

How many were charged for over 20 years? And please also consider in the 10,000 the protests took place in more than 1 city/location.

Oh and I’m also only asking about the charges from those protests to compare to the Jan 6 average charges someone told me about.

I posted the source just now to answer your first question.

I think your second question about comparing averages would be a faulty comparison. January 6 had people literally attempting, or who had planned, to instigate a violent coup to stop the peaceful transfer of power and install their own candidate through violent force. It’s not just trespassing, or even just assaulting people or damaging buildings. So yeah, you’re going to have people charged with things like seditious conspiracy, which is a very very serious charge and skews averages.

 

[Andy Capp]

Oh it was 10 not 6 still in jail.

Ubetcha. "...including eight awaiting trial but detained because of other exacerbating factors —remain in the D.C. jail."

Now, can you answer the question?

 

[Sara]

I posted the source just now to answer your first question.

I think your second question about comparing averages would be a faulty comparison. January 6 had people literally attempting, or who had planned, to instigate a violent coup to stop the peaceful transfer of power and install their own candidate through violent force. It’s not just trespassing, or even just assaulting people or damaging buildings. So yeah, you’re going to have people charged with things like seditious conspiracy, which is a very very serious charge and skews averages.

Dude just tell me, I believe people when they tell me almost everything.