Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

[Mr Holmes]

nah, the funny part is right wingers still not managing to get liberals, leftis, democrats and others from their mouths even tho republicans own the presidency, congress and senate.
can we now focus on all the dumb shit republicans are doing while in power, and are about to do?

"Don't point out our hypocrisy!"

 

[44nutman]

The MAGA doggers panic wrestling is fun to watch. One dude pardoned gave an officer permanent brain damage and MAGA doing whataboutism.
You either back the blue or you dot but cheering for a dude that gave a female cop a lifetime of brain damage is a shitty look.
Trump could have pardoned the trespassers only. The cop beaters and dudes who shit in their hands to smear on the walls of the Capitol should have not been pardoned, but Oligarch Media has trained MAGA -doggers to trained to defend Fat Trump no matter how wrong he is has been fascinating to watch.
I doubt any MAGA doggers in a social setting would be like a dude that gave a female police officer permanent brain damage should not go to jail.
How hard is it to say the J6ers who beat police officers should not have been pardoned surprisingly few MAGA-Doggers have the courage to say that.

 

[Fanu]

"Don't point out our hypocrisy!"

I'm not a democrat nor a leftist. So you can't deflect all the right wing narrative bullshit right back at me.
What else you got?

 

[Mr Holmes]

I'm not a democrat nor a leftist. So you can't deflect all the right wing narrative bullshit right back at me.
What else you got?

Oh okay, then its: "Don't point out their hypocrisy! *sniffle*". Is that better?

 

[Andy Capp]

You're a black man in America yeah? You should well know of the justice systems tactics of over charging crimes to get defendants to cop to lesser charges. Many times regardless of guilt and evidence. Its a tactic well used on poors, minorities, etc.

Since he pleaded guilty, doesn't your logic imply he likely already received a lighter sentence than he might have otherwise?

 

[Andy Capp]

It's funny how the party that says all cops are bastards, wanted them defunded, and bailed out/dropped charges against rioters during the summer of love are now clutching their pearls over mostly non-violent people receiving a pardon. Those that did assault officers served far more time than any of the summer of love rioters. The selective outrage is hilariously pathetic.

There's a whole political party that does that? Where? Show me, please.

 

[Brigfa2]

Huge respect to daddy T

 

[BFoe]

BLM literally locked the doors to a police precinct and tried to burn it down with police officers inside during the "racial reckoning" the left supported. Nobody cares about them pretending to be horrified at cops being assaulted.

Are you talking about this incident?

Four Indicted For Allegedly Burning Down Minneapolis Police Station During George Floyd Unrest

The complaint alleges that a crowd of hundreds began yelling ‘burn it down, burn it down’ outside the Third Precinct on May 28.

www.forbes.com

All of these guys got 3-4 years in prison, nobody’s pardoned them.

Let’s not forget this fine right winger Boogaloo Blu fellow.

Man sentenced to four years in prison for police station fire at George Floyd protest

Dylan Shakespeare Robinson, 23, was also ordered to serve two years of supervised release and pay $12 million for damages that resulted from the May 2020 precinct fire.

www.nbcnews.com

Guess it wasn’t all “BLM” after all. Sentenced to 4 years in prison.

 

[Confucamus]

Are you talking about this incident?

Four Indicted For Allegedly Burning Down Minneapolis Police Station During George Floyd Unrest

The complaint alleges that a crowd of hundreds began yelling ‘burn it down, burn it down’ outside the Third Precinct on May 28.

www.forbes.com

All of these guys got 3-4 years in prison, nobody’s pardoned them.

Let’s not forget this fine right winger Boogaloo Blu fellow.

Man sentenced to four years in prison for police station fire at George Floyd protest

Dylan Shakespeare Robinson, 23, was also ordered to serve two years of supervised release and pay $12 million for damages that resulted from the May 2020 precinct fire.

www.nbcnews.com

Guess it wasn’t all “BLM” after all. Sentenced to 4 years in prison.

That wasn't the only one.

This website is unavailable in your location. – KIRO 7 News Seattle

www.kiro7.com

Don't make excuses for BLM.

 

[evergreenrider]

Since he pleaded guilty, doesn't your logic imply he likely already received a lighter sentence than he might have otherwise?

Possibly under threat or duress. We now pretending innocent people don't plead guilty? Devils advocate, brother. In no way am i saying this guy is innocent, but to selectively apply when, where, who, and why is fucked up. And if this dude didn't commit a violent act, 4 yrs is excessive for trespassing

 

[Andy Capp]

Of 1500 Jan 6 people convicted what were the range of time they were looking at?

0-22 years depending upon the individual. As I already said, a great many got only some combination of probation, community service, and a fine.

By the way, I invite you to demonstrate the truth of your assertion that I am being hypocritical. Let's see the receipts. But I'm still waiting for you to show me all these people who were tossed in jail and held without due process and the ones who did years for only trespassing, as @BFoe have been requesting for some time now, though. So I'm fine if you want to do that first.

Here's what I've been wondering: when so many were treated so lightly, what sense would it make under any circumstances to treat some others more harshly for the exact same offenses? Any idea?

 

[Andy Capp]

Possibly under threat or duress. We now pretending innocent people don't plead guilty? Devils advocate, brother. In no way am i saying this guy is innocent, but to selectively apply when, where, who, and why is fucked up. And if this dude didn't commit a violent act, 4 yrs is excessive for trespassing

I'm no @Law Talkin’ Guy but I disagree with the length of sentences all the time. That's why we have standardized them.

 

[BFoe]

That wasn't the only one.

This website is unavailable in your location. – KIRO 7 News Seattle

www.kiro7.com

Don't make excuses for BLM.

One of these people wasn’t BLM at all, it was a 19 year old white dude.
But regardless, people were caught, charged, sentenced to years in prison.

I have no issue condemning violence, and I have no issue condemning whomever commits it, whether they consider themselves a member of BLM or not.
What I won’t do, and what we shouldn’t do, is paint the entire BLM organization with that brush when there were a series of these protest events with all sorts of people involved, as I’ve demonstrated. There were various bad actors, some right wing and some letf wing in their beliefs, some black, some white, some there to support BLM, some just there to loot.

January 6 was a Donald Trump rally, FFS.
Could there be a random bad actor here or there? Sure. But by and large, they were Trump supporters actively supporting Trump at a Trump scheduled and Trump sanctioned rally.

 

[44nutman]

T

That wasn't the only one.

This website is unavailable in your location. – KIRO 7 News Seattle

www.kiro7.com

Don't make excuses for BLM.

Don't whataboutism a dude that gave a female cop brain damage. I know it's a hot take for MAGA-doggers right now but is it so hard to say Trump messed up pardoning a dude that gave a female office brain damage for the rest of her life. It used to be before Oligarch owned media, made everyone so hyper partisan, that everyone would say that was not a good pardon. Now it's what about BLM or they served time for trespassing ignoring the ones who beat up police officers just doing their job.
I have a mother, wife and a daughter, no man should lay his hands on a female must less give them a lifetime of brain damage.
It used to be men would beat the shit out of women beating men, but maybe I was just raised different. Now people whataboutism their pardon or Trump nominates them to his cabinet.

 

[Sara]

0-22 years depending upon the individual. As I already said, a great many got only some combination of probation, community service, and a fine.

By the way, I invite you to demonstrate the truth of your assertion that I am being hypocritical. Let's see the receipts. But I'm still waiting for you to show me all these people who were tossed in jail and held without due process and the ones who did years for only trespassing, as @BFoe have been requesting for some time now, though. So I'm fine if you want to do that first.

Here's what I've been wondering: when so many were treated so lightly, what sense would it make under any circumstances to treat some others more harshly for the exact same offenses? Any idea?

No idea I’m still wonder why the George Floyd protests were deemed mostly peaceful, yet this one was not with the same circumstances, some got violent, some just trespassing, some honestly just protesting.

And Andy I’m not the only one saying some of the Jan 6 people were still awaiting trials and sentencing, as the only reason I heard they were waiting is this and other threads, and unlike you I don’t immediately think posters are lying. If I know they’re misinformed I’ll provide them the article I read that shows I’m right.

Andy if you can’t see you pile on, then accuse others of doing it to you youre either stupid, suffer from narcissistic tendencies or simply thinks it’s ok when you do it, but not anyone else.

 

[Andy Capp]

No idea I’m still wonder why the George Floyd protests were deemed mostly peaceful, yet this one was not with the same circumstances, some got violent, some just trespassing, some honestly just protesting.

And Andy I’m not the only one saying some of the Jan 6 people were still awaiting trials and sentencing, as the only reason I heard they were waiting is this and other threads, and unlike you I don’t immediately think posters are lying. If I know they’re misinformed I’ll provide them the article I read that shows I’m right.

Andy if you can’t see you pile on, then accuse others of doing it to you youre either stupid, suffer from narcissistic tendencies or simply thinks it’s ok when you do it, but not anyone else.

lol

You don't wonder at all. You said, "We were told all the bml riots were mostly peaceful."

Weren't you actually told that while a very large majority of individual protests were non-violent, some were turned into riots by people acting in bad faith but decided you liked your version of events better? And weren't you also told that two wrongs don't make a right?

Your comment demonstrates your disingenuous treatment of the matter and why it's not worth my time to try to have you admit the truth. This particular hypocritical comment is also why I decided that rubbing your nose in your dumb shit was the better option. At least others may learn from it. I didn't pile onto anything but what you brought on yourself by saying something so obviously and intentionally disingenuous.

So, again, do you have any evidence, no matter how flimsy, that people were held without due process (according to your claim lots of people were rotting in jail without trial for minor offenses), or that people who were there merely to protest and not riot were given excessive sentences (compared to others charged with the same crime)? If so, I would like to see it and judge for myself.

Further, I will repeat my entreaty to you to demonstrate my hypocrisy by showing us all an example with which to judge for ourselves.

This will be about the 5th time ITT I've suggested you provide a source for your claims and so far nada. Hm. I suppose you have no idea why that is either?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Havent read thread. Let me guess the entire thing is full of people justyfying something bad by accusing others of also doing something bad.

Yes. Liberals are justifying locking people up for decades because they trespassed.

Luckily the libs got destroyed in the election so their corrupt bullshit is crumbling.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Monday pardoned nearly everyone criminally charged with participating in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, in a show of solidarity with supporters who stormed the seat of American power in his name.
The far-reaching action also cuts short the sentences of 14 members of the far-right Proud Boys and Oath Keepers organizations, including some who were convicted of seditious conspiracy.

Prosecutors accused Tarrio, Biggs and the rest of the Proud Boys leadership of mobilizing for violence after Trump lost the 2020 election and playing a leading role in instigating the breach of the Capitol.

More than 600 people were charged with assaulting or obstructing police during the riot, according to U.S. Justice Department figures.
The presidential clemency power includes the ability to remove legal consequences of a conviction through a pardon or to cut short or modify a sentence through a commutation.
The U.S. Constitution gives presidents broad pardon power and there is no legal mechanism for challenging a presidential pardon.

I don't wanna hear Trump supporters whining about stuff like ACAB or BLM lol

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-preparing-issue-sweeping-pardons-defendants-charged-jan-6-attack-abc-news-2025-01-20/

Shouldn't have pardoned anyone that was violent that day (maybe commute the legth of some of those), but most of the pardons are ok compared to the people that are usually pardoned.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Biden had no part in Fauci being Director of Infectious Diseases or whatever he was during Covid in Trump's administration. Pardoning the actual lemmings that only walked around in the Capitol after it was breached is one thing but pardoning Proud Boys is quite another. This a big signal to the to continue to stand back and stand by.

Are you suggesting being a member of the Proud Boys makes you guilty for being there regardless of any actions you did or didn't take part of?

I don't know the details of each defendant, but that Terrio(sp) guy wasn't even in DC.

 

[Sara]

lol

You don't wonder at all. You said, "We were told all the bml riots were mostly peaceful."

Weren't you actually told that while a very large majority of individual protests were non-violent, some were turned into riots by people acting in bad faith but decided you liked your version of events better? And weren't you also told that two wrongs don't make a right?

Your comment demonstrates your disingenuous treatment of the matter and why it's not worth my time to try to have you admit the truth. This particular hypocritical comment is also why I decided that rubbing your nose in your dumb shit was the better option. At least others may learn from it. I didn't pile onto anything but what you brought on yourself by saying something so obviously and intentionally disingenuous.

So, again, do you have any evidence, no matter how flimsy, that people were held without due process (according to your claim lots of people were rotting in jail without trial for minor offenses), or that people who were there merely to protest and not riot were given excessive sentences (compared to others charged with the same crime)? If so, I would like to see it and judge for myself.

Further, I will repeat my entreaty to you to demonstrate my hypocrisy by showing us all an example with which to judge for ourselves.

This will be about the 5th time ITT I've suggested you provide a source for your claims and so far nada. Hm. I suppose you have no idea why that is either?

Andy literally everyone knows they when anyone’s says the protests were mostly peaceful, they’re being sarcastic smart asses. Everyone. In this very thread, I was arguing with rational poster and you piled on. Then in this very thread you accused those arguing with you of piling on. This very thread.