Law Trump just pardoned 1.5k rioters and Proud Boys.....

[Sara]

Ubetcha. "including eight awaiting trial but detained because of other exacerbating factors —remain in the D.C. jail."

Now, can you answer the question?

Andy the answer is in the post that you quoted.

 

[Sara]

I posted the source just now to answer your first question.

I think your second question about comparing averages would be a faulty comparison. January 6 had people literally attempting, or who had planned, to instigate a violent coup to stop the peaceful transfer of power and install their own candidate through violent force. It’s not just trespassing, or even just assaulting people or damaging buildings. So yeah, you’re going to have people charged with things like seditious conspiracy, which is a very very serious charge and skews averages.

You don’t think burning businesses to the ground and attempting to lock police in a precinct and set it on fire are serious?

Pretty sure we’ve all already said that the those charged with more serious crimes 4 years wasn’t enough time served, I literally posted that full 10 year sentences without early release are actually 8.5 years locked up, most serve about a third of your sentence before early release so 1/3 of ten is 3.3 years, one Thursday of 8.5 id what 2.5?

So SOME of the Jan 6 (what 90%) were in all likely hood close to early release or already released?

Of the 1500 how many were charged with over 10 years.

 

[Andy Capp]

Andy the answer is in the post that you quoted.

You said, "I see no one is going to mention that there were 300 still waiting for sentencing...."

The article doesn't say that. Read it again.

 

[Sara]

You said, "I see no one is going to mention that there were 300 still waiting for sentencing...."

The article doesn't say that. Read it again.

Awaiting trial whatever Andy, that’s actually worst then waiting for sentencing cause you know innocent till proven guilty and all.

 

[Andy Capp]

Awaiting trial whatever Andy, that’s actually were then waiting for sentencing cause you know innocent till proven guilty and all.

lol

"whatever"

Concession noted.

 

[BFoe]

You don’t think burning businesses to the ground and attempting to lock police in a precinct and set it on fire are serious?

That’s a pretty dishonest thing to say, I’ve certainly never said anything like that. I’m starting to get the distinct impression you may not be discussing this in good faith.

Pretty sure we’ve all already said that the those charged with more serious crimes 4 years wasn’t enough time served, I literally posted that full 10 year sentences without early release are actually 8.5 years locked up, most serve about a third of your sentence before early release so 1/3 of ten is 3.3 years, one Thursday of 8.5 id what 2.5?

Then what are you complaining about? Who do you think it is that’s still in prison? And where is this 1/3 statistic coming from? Inmates in federal prison serve 85% of their sentence, only the last 15% is eligible for good behavior.

So SOME of the Jan 6 (what 90%) were in all likely hood close to early release or already released?

I think I addressed that question above, and actually I think the source you posted to me covers that.
But Trump didn’t merely commute these people’s sentences; this is not a case of him showing a little leniency to people near the end of a prison sentence. He gave full pardons to all of these people.

Of the 1500 how many were charged with over 10 years.

I’ve posted databases of defendants and charges several times. You’re welcome to go look at them. I’m not understanding why you’re struggling so much to interpret this data, why you’re misquoting articles, botching statistics and making assumptions about how long people serve time that isn’t rooted in data or fact.

 

[Sara]

lol

"whatever"

Concession noted.

It is not a concession Andy.

 

[Sara]

That’s a pretty dishonest thing to say, I’ve certainly never said anything like that. I’m starting to get the distinct impression you may not be discussing this in good faith.



Then what are you complaining about? Who do you think it is that’s still in prison? And where is this 1/3 statistic coming from? Inmates in federal prison serve 85% of their sentence, only the last 15% is eligible for good behavior.


I think I addressed that question above, and actually I think the source you posted to me covers that.
But Trump didn’t merely commute these people’s sentences; this is not a case of him showing a little leniency to people near the end of a prison sentence. He gave full pardons to all of these people.


I’ve posted databases of defendants and charges several times. You’re welcome to go look at them. I’m not understanding why you’re struggling so much to interpret this data, why you’re misquoting articles, botching statistics and making assumptions about how long people serve time that isn’t rooted in data or fact.

The 1:3 is from google. I googled how much of a sentence is typically served before release.

Not in good faith? Please. It’s as if no matter what is compared to anything right does it’s swept aside as oh that’s nothing.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Next, free Derek Chauvin.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yes that’s what I said I was being a smart ass when I post that we were told they were peaceful protests. Thank you for pointing out that everyone but Andy got it.


And no 1500 were charged on Jan 6, what’s different is during the non peaceful parts of the riots whole groups were not charged. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a committee made up to find all those that were burning and looting, or just those that were with the crowd when they started burning, looting or attacking police/civilians.

Yes there was a difference in the investigations because it was not only the Capitol that was attacked but our lawmakers that were in the process of certifying an election.

 

[Andy Capp]

That’s a pretty dishonest thing to say, I’ve certainly never said anything like that. I’m starting to get the distinct impression you may not be discussing this in good faith.

Starting to?

 

[DoctorTaco]

What do you mean, of course whole groups were charged. Associated Press reports 10,000 people arrested in the first 10 days after George Floyd’s death alone.

AP tally: Arrests at widespread US protests hit 10,000

PHOENIX (AP) — More than 10,000 people have been arrested in protests decrying racism and police brutality in the wake of George Floyd's death, according to an Associated Press tally of known arrests across the U.S.

apnews.com

I think comparing J6 to the George Floyd riots is a terrible comparison in general, but also so many falsehoods prevail. Here is a pretty good article comparing the two.

https://thegrio.com/2023/01/06/a-tale-of-two-insurrections-comparing-the-data-from-the-jan-6-riot-to-

They were driving around in unmarked vans throwing snatching people up during blm too, and there wasn’t a peep out of the folks banging pots and pans about j6

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I see no one is going to mention that there were 300 still waiting for sentencing and 6 still in prison. Which I’m sorry 6 still in prison (or jail) for 4 years is too long. We’ve had threads about prisoners left too long in jail (rikers I think) and most agreed it was to long to be left waiting

But we can't assume those people have been in prison since January '21 and we'd also have to take their specific crime into consideration.

 

[Sara]

Yes there was a difference in the investigations because it was not only the Capitol that was attacked but our lawmakers that were in the process of certifying an election.

And they’re going to say the majority were loudly protesting what they thought was a stolen election, and only a small percentage were violent.

 

[Sara]

Next, free Derek Chauvin.

No the math doesn’t work for freeing him, maybe commute his sentence.

 

[Sara]

But we can't assume those people have been in prison since January '21 and we'd also have to take their specific crime into consideration.

I keep getting conflicting numbers but apparently only 6-10 have been incarcerated awaiting g trial. Again if ONE Rikers inmate waiting for trial for is too long to be in jail, it’s too long for them too


I didn’t like the wording either, awaiting trial or a guilty plea…. That’s like hanging a plea agreement over someone, with threats of max sentences. The article could have meant they are working a plea deal though.

 

[Andy Capp]

I keep getting conflicting numbers but apparently only 6-10 have been incarcerated awaiting g trial. Again if ONE Rikers inmate waiting for trial for is too long to be in jail, it’s too long for them too


I didn’t like the wording either, awaiting trial or a guilty plea…. That’s like hanging a plea agreement over someone, with threats of max sentences. The article could have meant they are working a plea deal though.

Conflicting numbers from the source you posted? The 6 comes into it because 6 of the 10 are charged with more serious crimes. It was right in the source you cited but either you didn't read or didn't understand it.

Also from your own source, 8 of those 10 were only tossed back in jail due to additional charges brought against them because of other actions while awaiting trial.

That leaves exactly 2. TWO.

Out of, what, 1500? Oh! The injustice!

 

[Sara]

8 of those 10 were tossed back in jail due to additional charges brought against them because of other actions while awaiting trial.

That leaves exactly 2. TWO.

Out of, what, 1500? Oh! The injustice!

I’ve literally said even 1 is not right Andy.


Multiple times.

In this thread.

I don’t know why you find the above post funny either.

We hear all the time that the confessions or pleas oh guilty were under duress.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I guess that was the inevitable outcome. Maybe next time don't do a political witch hunt in order to sell J6 as something more than it was.

I’m sure you felt similarly for the BLM protestors in DC who remained outside the Capitol, and didn’t break into it.

 

[Sara]

Just so I’m clear you’ll have the same opinion for wrongful convictions that are over turned, when they’re released as it was just 1-2 out of all the guilty ones that served time.


Right?