International Trump goes in on Putin

[GhostZ06]

So they going to finally fuck? Trump supporters are pretty big pussy if they think bowing to Putler is the way to go.

Russians respect strength, funny because it goes to show how big of pussy Trump is.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Best post I think I’ve ever read from Trump, tbh.
And I’m glad he’s is giving Biden the credit he deserves for backing Ukraine in this mess. If there’s a deal to be brokered, one that’s not just giving Russia whatever they want, it’s mostly because we helped Ukraine and exposed Russia’s weak ass military.

 

[Broke Lester]

So Trump is begging to make a deal with Russia while the current administration is killing russians while telling them to get back to their own borders. And the TS's conclusion is that trump is being tough here?

Well I suppose I'll have to settle for you guys at finally admitting the russian casualty figures are true. But otherwise, yes, this is still cowardly.

Fine and dandy when you ignore all the dead Ukrainians, but as long as you get to pretend.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Do you know what fucking literally means? Of course you don’t.

Yes, he gets compared to Hitler because he is a lot like Hitler. How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand that? Holy shit.

Is your argument really that the right is literally accusing the left of literally accusing Trump of literally being Hitler? As in, Hitler is still alive somehow and has been posing for decades as an American real estate mogul?

Do you know what literally means?

 

[jeremyemilio]

I think the term “Putin puppet” is an oversimplification.

We know for a fact that in 2016, the Trump campaign knew about Russia’s illegal activities including the DNC hack because they were in contact with them, and we know that Trump’s campaign chairman Manafort shared election and polling data with Russia. These are facts; they aren’t in dispute.

I think Trump refused to hold Putin accountable in any way for his election crimes because: A) Trump was the beneficiary of them; B) Trump and his campaign committed election crimes of some kind too, or at least were concerned a jury would believe they did; or C) they knew that any investigation into election crimes would turn up their other financial crimes, which of course is what happened.

Further, I think Trump is a narcissist with a huge ego who is easily manipulated by someone like Putin, and I think Trump has a hard-on for dictators and is envious of them.

But since Trump is Mr. Tough-On-Putin now, and Trump agrees this war should never have started, he won’t be accepting any end to the war that involves Ukraine giving up territory, right? Let’s see if that’s what we get.

But we also know the Steele Dossier was literal Russian disinformation paid for and disseminated by the DNC and the Clinton campaign as a means of undermining their political opponent. These are also facts that aren't in dispute.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could say that isn't collusion of a much more literal and immediate form than anything the Trump campaign was involved in.

 

[BFoe]

But we also know the Steele Dossier was literal Russian disinformation paid for and disseminated by the DNC and the Clinton campaign as a means of undermining their political opponent. These are also facts that aren't in dispute.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could say that isn't collusion of a much more literal and immediate form than anything the Trump campaign was involved in.

I think you go a bit far calling it literal disinformation, or even collusion. There’s no evidence that the Clinton campaign or DNC actively worked with Steele to create purposely false info. But the important point is this: the Steele Dossier is not relevant to the FBI or Mueller investigations. In other words, yes the FBI investigated every potential lead mentioned in the dossier because why wouldn’t they? But the dossier was not the basis of the investigation, nor does it being false negate anything that happened in that investigation.
The Steele Dossier was always known to be unverified intelligence.

 

[Darkballs]

Fine and dandy when you ignore all the dead Ukrainians, but as long as you get to pretend.

I think it's up to Ukraine how long they want to fight. I wouldn't appreciate some soy-boys crying if my country was defending itself from an illegal invasion.

But lets look at those Ukrainian numbers, shall we? Ukraine has 1/10th the amount of manpower as russia, and has inflicted twice the casualties. All that while wrecking the russian economy, embarrassing their manlet of a dictator, and even invading a bit of russia for themselves.

I'd say they're doing a hell of a job, given what they're facing. And I think it would be incredibly cowardly and against our American values, to turn our backs on an ally or force them to give up their own sovereign land.

But I'm not a draft-dodger like trump, so maybe I've got a different set of values.

 

[Broke Lester]

I think it's up to Ukraine how long they want to fight. I wouldn't appreciate some soy-boys crying if my country was defending itself from an illegal invasion.

But lets look at those Ukrainian numbers, shall we? Ukraine has 1/10th the amount of manpower as russia, and has inflicted twice the casualties. All that while wrecking the russian economy, embarrassing their manlet of a dictator, and even invading a bit of russia for themselves.

I'd say they're doing a hell of a job, given what they're facing. And I think it would be incredibly cowardly and against our American values, to turn our backs on an ally or force them to give up their own sovereign land.

But I'm not a draft-dodger like trump, so maybe I've got a different set of values.

So you're willing to sacrifice every Ukrainian and Russian as long as you can call Putin a manlet and Trump a draft dodger.

 

[Darkballs]

So you're willing to sacrifice every Ukrainian and Russian as long as you can call Putin a manlet and Trump a draft dodger.

I think I was pretty clear on my value placed on Ukraines sovereignty. I tend to place value on more concrete things. Like the 800k russian casualties.

Bet that quote of yours sounded better in your head, didn't it?

 

[Broke Lester]

I think I was pretty clear on my value placed on Ukraines sovereignty. I tend to place value on more concrete things. Like the 800k russian casualties.

Bet that quote of yours sounded better in your head, didn't it?

I'm not the one talking like an arm chair hero with other peoples lives though am I?

 

[Mr Holmes]

But we also know the Steele Dossier was literal Russian disinformation paid for and disseminated by the DNC and the Clinton campaign as a means of undermining their political opponent. These are also facts that aren't in dispute.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could say that isn't collusion of a much more literal and immediate form than anything the Trump campaign was involved in.

That's (D)ifferent.

 

[Cid]

That still doesn’t validate the accusations here. And proves nothing.

I didn't say it validates the accusations.

 

[Darkballs]

I'm not the one talking like an arm chair hero with other peoples lives though am I?

I'd say your coming off as an arm chair coward who would also be playing with others lives. The Ukrainians want to fight. They want their independence. You don't want them to fight. You want them to submit.

And why would the men fighting care for one second what you thought?

 

[Darkballs]

That's (D)ifferent.

Sad to see you fall for such a dishonest post.

The Steele dossier was not russian disinformation paid for by the Dems. Anyone claiming that is an idiot. Steele was a former British intelligence agent who had contacts in russia. He compiled the dossier on behalf of REPUBLICANS who were in the primary against trump. Clinton would later get a copy and pay Steele for work.

The contents of the dossier came from a variety of sources and contacts that Steele had acquired working in russia for some 30ish years. The claims in it ranged from 100% proven true, to unverifiable. And Steele disclosed as such. For instance, the claims that Trump had assets and bank accounts in russia (of which he lied about) were true. It was also true that trump had business interests pending with the Kremlin while he was in office. Particularly, he was in negotiations to build a shitty hotel. You should remember all this, because this is what dems warned about when he became the first president to refuse to divest from his businesses or release his tax returns. You guys swore he had nothing to hide, remember?

Anyway, the more salacious claims, like that Trump had watched hookers piss in a bed, were even labeled by Steele as unverified. Although he did note that russians engage in this type of shit, to try to get dirt on people to use later.

The whole, "OMG he said trump did da pee pee," summary came from the right, as a kinda blanket way to dismiss the whole thing and run cover for daddy. They also were quick to ignore that the research was first started by their side, before they and the rest of you bent the knee.

But I do like the lie about the Steele dossier getting bigger and bigger though. It's nice to watch a lie morph as it makes its way through the rightwing echo chamber. Now were at the point where the dems were tricked by russian disinfo, but the brave republicans saw true. And what makes it all the more hilarious/sad, is that the trump campaign was the one that actually coordinated with the russians during that election. Trumps own campaign manager, Roger Stone, went to jail for it. Specifically, for acting as a go between wikileaks and the Kremlin to coordinate the release of stolen documents from the Clinton campaign, to make sure it came out at the most beneficial time.

Anyway, just don't want to see you guys lying and trying to rewrite history or anything. Better luck next time.

 

[Belaya Smert]

I didn't say it validates the accusations.

By virtue of telling me i was wrong. You did exactly that in fact.

 

[Broke Lester]

I'd say your coming off as an arm chair coward who would also be playing with others lives. The Ukrainians want to fight. They want their independence. You don't want them to fight. You want them to submit.

And why would the men fighting care for one second what you thought?

Then why don't you go fight with them arm chair hero? And why are you talking like you know what Ukrainians want, you're just upset the orange man bad might be the one to force a resolution.

 

[nostradumbass]

I'd say your coming off as an arm chair coward who would also be playing with others lives. The Ukrainians want to fight. They want their independence. You don't want them to fight. You want them to submit.

And why would the men fighting care for one second what you thought?

Yes, they want to get blown up and have their agricultural land and natural resources sold off to Blackrock

Most Ukrainians now want an end to the war

Polls show that 52% want negotiations. Some say they are willing to give up land to Russia

www.economist.com

 

[DoctorTaco]

And why are you talking like you know what Ukrainians want,

Sovereignty from Russia. They make it pretty clear

 

[Darkballs]

Yes, they want to get blown up and have their agricultural land and natural resources sold off to Blackrock

The russians are blowing up in greater numbers. Cry about it.

 

[Darkballs]

Then why don't you go fight with them arm chair hero?

Because I don't live in Ukraine.

And why are you talking like you know what Ukrainians want,

Three years of killing russians is a clear indication of what they want.

you're just upset the orange man bad might be the one to force a resolution.

I'm on record calling him and anyone who supports this position a coward.