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[KnightTemplar]

- To have a war, we need a enemy.

There is a Great Beast loose in the world of men.

It awoke in dark times, to fight a terrible enemy. It stormed through Europe and across the far Pacific, and crushed the evil that it found there underfoot. But when the Beast was victorious, when the Crooked Cross and the Blood-red Sun were ground into the dirt, the Beast's keepers found it would not go back to sleep.

The Great Beast has many heads, and on those heads are written names. Lockheed. Bell. Monsanto. Grumman. Colt. And many others. And they are very, very hungry.

So the Great Beast must be fed, and once a generation our country goes to war to do just that. A war for war's sake, and usually one that could have been avoided. But there must be blood, in extraordinary quantities, and whether it is foreign or American blood matters not at all.

And so today, at Firebase Valley Forge, our time has finally come around at last.

Today is the day we feed the Beast.

- Punisher: Born by Garth Ennis.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I’m not against waging war on the cartels in principle. If I was a betting man though I would bet that this declaration is not well thought out and is going to do more harm than good.

 

[USA!USA!]

I wonder what the consequences of this will be. Not saying its bad, but makes you realize that things could also escalate.

Will there be full-on shootouts on the border?

Will there be full-on terrorist attacks by cartels in the states in retaliation?

Really makes you wonder.

 

[calavera2]

Agree with our meme coin president on this one....Cartels are and should have been declared terrorists decades ago

 

[terrapin]

I wonder what the consequences of this will be. Not saying its bad, but makes you realize that things could also escalate.

Will there be full-on shootouts on the border?

Will there be full-on terrorist attacks by cartels in the states in retaliation?

Really makes you wonder.

I'm sure that somebody will come in this thread and argue that the cartels are not actually terrorists and my response to your post may be an agreement with that.

I really doubt we'll see any kind of retaliation in the way that you've suggested because that's not really what the cartels are about. They're just about making profit by selling drugs. I really doubt that they're going to attack US citizens in retaliation for getting killed by our military.

I think in order for that to happen you have to have more than a profit motive. There has to be some ideological motive that makes it worth it to them.

 

[USA!USA!]

I'm sure that somebody will come in this thread and argue that the cartels are not actually terrorists and my response to your post may be an agreement with that.

I really doubt we'll see any kind of retaliation in the way that you've suggested because that's not really what the cartels are about. They're just about making profit by selling drugs. I really doubt that they're going to attack US citizens in retaliation for getting killed by our military.

I think in order for that to happen you have to have more than a profit motive. There has to be some ideological motive that makes it worth it to them.

IDK man.. I would like to think you are right, but I've seen videos of what they do in their own countries to their enemies. They are a ruthless bunch.

 

[terrapin]

I’m not against waging war on the cartels in principle. If I was a betting man though I would bet that this declaration is not well thought out and is going to do more harm than good.

Yes, you're probably right. It would have to be very well thought out to be effective.

I also wonder about cooperation with Mexico because the way I envision it there is goodwill between the states and the Mexican government in getting this done so that there's cooperation between the two governments.

 

[UberHere]

I think we've figured out that people aren't going to stop taking drugs....

Can’t legislate away demand for getting high.
I’m on the fence with this. Will wait to see some outcomes before I complain or praise this.

That being said, I’d rather see us take it to the real bad actors which are the suppliers rather than the end users. Those cartel members are among the worst of the worst

 

[terrapin]

IDK man.. I would like to think you are right, but I've seen videos of what they do in their own countries to their enemies. They are a ruthless bunch.

I thought of that too and you may be right. But then I also thought about the fact that religious terrorist groups usually have the sympathy of a certain segment of the population who themselves would not bomb or kill anyone, but who are sympathetic and supportive.

I don't think you'd have that same level of support from the surrounding population for cartels in Mexico but I don't really know enough about it. I'm just frankly hopeful that this policy would make a real change and make a real difference in people's lives.

 

[Fanu]

This doesn't really answer my question. Also, who cares how long they've been doing business on our side of the border? Does that mean no new efforts can begin or new tools used to combat it?

"who cares how long they've been doing business on our side of the border" > I meant to say that there was nothing stopping US agencies from killing criminals on its own soil (but I suspect they don't want to do that, and instead want to work with cartels because MONEY)
"new efforts can begin" > cool, watch them unfold as all of the previous efforts, Trump isn't really known for getting shit done. He is more about making promises and such.

 

[Rational Poster]

I guess turning the border into a literal warzone is a way immigration can be managed.

 

[volodya]

"who cares how long they've been doing business on our side of the border" > I meant to say that there was nothing stopping US agencies from killing criminals on its own soil (but I suspect they don't want to do that, and instead want to work with cartels because MONEY)
"new efforts can begin" > cool, watch them unfold as all of the previous efforts, Trump isn't really known for getting shit done. He is more about making promises and such.

He's a narcissist..with the baddest specops in the world under his control. I bet we see some results relatively quickly.

 

[Rational Poster]

I thought of that too and you may be right. But then I also thought about the fact that religious terrorist groups usually have the sympathy of a certain segment of the population who themselves would not bomb or kill anyone, but who are sympathetic and supportive.

I don't think you'd have that same level of support from the surrounding population for cartels in Mexico but I don't really know enough about it. I'm just frankly hopeful that this policy would make a real change and make a real difference in people's lives.

The cartels are the government in many states in Mexico, they have widespread support and literally provide social services to the people in their territories. Much more professional, organized, and well resourced than basically any religious terror organization who typically subsist on donations and robbery.

 

[White Whale]

Hey sherbros I'm looking for advice. I have an opportunity to go to Mexico to learn Spanish in a full immersion course later in the year but with Trump targeting them I'm not sure that is the brightest of ideas do you think I should go. The town the course is in is a town with a bunch of American and Canadian retires so it's pretty safe. My thinking is to wait until about August to decide see how things are playing out before I make up my mind. I don't wanna be there if they start targeting US citizens. What do you guys think.

Mexico has to do what Trump tells them and they know it. If they tried to retaliate against American citizens it would end badly for them.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Drone strikes on Cartel leaders.....

Cocaine price going up and more cutting with nasty ingredients.......

Possible reprisal from Cartels because one of them idiots might try it.....

Ultimately I think it's a bad idea and decriminalisation is probably the only way forward and treat it like a health issue.......

Decriminalization is a shit show where the pieces fall where they may. Legalization and regulation is the only way. Both for the drug issues at home and for putting cartels out of business for good. Change is scary and emotions run hot on this issue and I'm well aware getting people to think rationally about drugs is damn near impossible.

 

[HereticBD]

I wonder what the consequences of this will be. Not saying its bad, but makes you realize that things could also escalate.

Will there be full-on shootouts on the border?

Will there be full-on terrorist attacks by cartels in the states in retaliation?

Really makes you wonder.

I don't think terrorism(in the traditional sense) is in the cards for the cartels. They're not "freedom fighters" fighting for a cause. They're just drug pushers who like power and money, and I doubt they want to see their base of operations turned to ash by declaring war on the United States government. My guess is that they'll just deal with the occasional raids like they always do, and keep the train running. The cartels are too big and spread out to really defeat.

 

[Gutter Chris]

if americans want to get rid of the cartels they should stop funding them.

That's never an option. People love to get high but it's an impossible conversation to have about what the least harmful way to go about that is. No politician will touch the issue unless it's to say some dumb shit like we should kill all the drug dealers !

 

[Cajun]

I’m not against waging war on the cartels in principle. If I was a betting man though I would bet that this declaration is not well thought out and is going to do more harm than good.

They are like an army with lots of power and the govt looks the other way. Its a tall task to be effective. I'm for it but the plan will be difficult to execute. I imagine the first step will be freezing any bank accounts linked but don't know.

 

[William Huggins]

Decriminalization is a shit show where the pieces fall where they may. Legalization and regulation is the only way. Both for the drug issues at home and for putting cartels out of business for good. Change is scary and emotions run hot on this issue and I'm well aware getting people to think rationally about drugs is damn near impossible.

It's worse than that, they'll ignore years and years of research on the actual effects of drugs and the individual harm profiles of these drugs but let's carry on selling alcohol.........

 

[UberHere]

The cartels are the government in many states in Mexico, they have widespread support and literally provide social services to the people in their territories. Much more professional, organized, and well resourced than basically any religious terror organization who typically subsist on donations and robbery.

And this isn’t a major problem that needs to be addressed? You’re strengthening my lackluster support for this EO.