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International Trump: 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports will start Tuesday, with ‘no room’ for delay

I've asked this since the hysteria began and no one can really seem to answer. If tariffs are so destructive and terrible why is basically everything we export subject to foreign tariffs?

Targeted tariffs on industries that you have the infrastructure to produce yourself without the financial impact being devastating for the consumer are fine. Blanket ones make little sense because you're often tariffing things you can't produce yourself.
 
Another low effort poster who doesn't want to debate in good faith

Hey fuckface. If you really want to "debate in good faith" then stop lying and tell people the truth:

I'm Canadian, I honestly don't really care about Trump either way. I just sit as an observer and notice the hysteria spun around the guy, and people accepting that he's a racist/sexist/homophobe with no substantial evidence. It honestly is just shocking to me how many people buy what the media sells. My real concern is that people stopped critically thinking and just started accepting what people told them, whether it was Trump nuthuggers or Trump haters.

I have no idea why people give idiots like you the time of day.

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These tariffs have nothing to do with Mexico, Canada, China or any other country. Trump is just infatuated with the robber-baron era in American history, and wants to shift the tax burden onto the poor and middle class so that we can get more billionaires.

When he said "make america great again" people assumed he was talking about post-war US, but he was actually talking about the industrial age before the great depression.

If you look at the tax rates on the rich in the post war period it's pretty clear they have no intention of rebuilding that system.
 
don’t you love a poster who starts with “I don’t like trump but” lol

They apparently don’t like trump but seem to defend him any chance they get and 80 percent of their posting history seems to revolve around him

Weird ey
Gosh, that terrible, dude. What should we do?
 
These tariffs have nothing to do with Mexico, Canada, China or any other country. Trump is just infatuated with the robber-baron era in American history, and wants to shift the tax burden onto the poor and middle class so that we can get more billionaires.

When he said "make america great again" people assumed he was talking about post-war US, but he was actually talking about the industrial age before the great depression.

Remind me who pays tariffs and what do tariffs have to do with tax burden? It is a pretty safe bet that poor and middle class people are not mass importing foreign goods and getting charged tariffs.
 
Remind me who pays tariffs and what do tariffs have to do with tax burden? It is a pretty safe bet that poor and middle class people are not mass importing foreign goods and getting charged tariffs.
The price of goods goes up, they get charged.
 
ChatGPT's take:

"The new tariffs are a win for America because they prioritize American businesses, protect local jobs, and reduce dependence on foreign goods. By making imports more expensive, these tariffs encourage companies to invest in domestic manufacturing, leading to more job opportunities for American workers. They also strengthen national security by reducing reliance on foreign supply chains, ensuring that critical industries remain under U.S. control. Additionally, these tariffs send a strong message to countries like China and Mexico that America will not tolerate unfair trade practices. In the long run, a self-reliant economy makes the nation stronger and more competitive globally."

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What you all moaning about?
 
These tariffs have nothing to do with Mexico, Canada, China or any other country. Trump is just infatuated with the robber-baron era in American history, and wants to shift the tax burden onto the poor and middle class so that we can get more billionaires.

When he said "make america great again" people assumed he was talking about post-war US, but he was actually talking about the industrial age before the great depression.
Thats dumb. I'll concede that we probably didn't need to include Canada here but free trade with Mexico and China hasn't been fair at all and has crippled the United States manufacturing capabilities.
 
ChatGPT's take:

"The new tariffs are a win for America because they prioritize American businesses, protect local jobs, and reduce dependence on foreign goods. By making imports more expensive, these tariffs encourage companies to invest in domestic manufacturing, leading to more job opportunities for American workers. They also strengthen national security by reducing reliance on foreign supply chains, ensuring that critical industries remain under U.S. control. Additionally, these tariffs send a strong message to countries like China and Mexico that America will not tolerate unfair trade practices. In the long run, a self-reliant economy makes the nation stronger and more competitive globally."

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What you all moaning about?

That's why you do targeted tariffs, if you tariff things that the US doesn't/can't produce then that just increases supply chain costs.
 
That's why you do targeted tariffs, if you tariff things that the US doesn't/can't produce then that just increases supply chain costs.
Or companies can do business in the country. They have an option. Some have already chosen to build here.
 
That's why you do targeted tariffs, if you tariff things that the US doesn't/can't produce then that just increases supply chain costs.
It seems you've raised a great point.

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Prompt:

I've been told that this is why "targeting tariffs" are a thing, whereas if you tariff things that America can't produce, then that increases the supply chain costs by a prominent member of an online community I frequent. Do you have a response to this?

ChatGPT Response:
That’s a great point, and it highlights why targeted tariffs are often a better strategy than broad, sweeping ones. If tariffs are placed on products that America already makes or could make, they might boost domestic production. But if tariffs hit things that America doesn’t or can’t produce—like certain fruits from Mexico or rare minerals from China—they just raise costs without creating U.S. alternatives.

So, if the goal is to strengthen the economy, smart, targeted tariffs (on things like steel, semiconductors, or specific manufactured goods) make more sense than broad tariffs that increase supply chain costs without a benefit.
 
It seems you've raised a great point.

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Prompt:



ChatGPT Response:

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Or companies can do business in the country. They have an option. Some have already chosen to build here.
Bingo!

Democrats: Charge corporations taxes just for doing business in the United States, making it much cheaper for them to export their business, jobs, vendors, and human rights out of the country.

Republicans: Charge corporations tariffs for importing goods they create from doing business outside of the United States making it much more expensive to export their business, jobs, vendors and human rights out of the country.

The motivations are clear.
 
It seems you've raised a great point.

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Prompt:



ChatGPT Response:
Deepseek enters the chat:

Your community member raises an interesting point about the rationale behind "targeting tariffs" and their economic implications. Let me break this down and provide a response:

1.​

  • Targeting tariffs are typically imposed on specific goods or industries where a country aims to protect domestic producers, address unfair trade practices (like dumping or subsidies), or encourage local production. For example, the U.S. might impose tariffs on steel or aluminum to shield domestic manufacturers from cheaper foreign imports.
  • The logic is that by making foreign goods more expensive, domestic producers can compete more effectively, which can support local jobs and industries.

2.​

  • If tariffs are imposed on goods that the U.S. cannot produce domestically (e.g., rare earth minerals, certain electronics, or specialized components), the immediate effect is to increase the cost of those imported goods.
  • This can indeed raise supply chain costs, as businesses relying on these imports must either absorb the higher costs or pass them on to consumers. This could lead to inflation or reduced competitiveness for U.S. companies that depend on these inputs.

3.​

  • Short-term vs. Long-term Effects: While targeting tariffs on goods the U.S. can produce might protect domestic industries in the short term, tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce may have unintended consequences, such as disrupting supply chains or incentivizing other countries to retaliate with their own tariffs.
  • Global Supply Chains: Modern economies are deeply interconnected. Tariffs on critical inputs can ripple through the economy, affecting industries far removed from the targeted goods. For example, higher costs for imported components could hurt U.S. manufacturers of finished products like cars or electronics.

4.​

  • Dependency Reduction: Sometimes, tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce are part of a broader strategy to reduce dependency on foreign suppliers. For instance, tariffs on rare earth metals might encourage investment in domestic mining or recycling capabilities.
  • Negotiation Leverage: Tariffs can also be used as a negotiating tool to pressure other countries into trade agreements or to address unfair practices. However, this approach carries risks, as it can escalate trade tensions.

5.​

  • Consumer Impact: Tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce often lead to higher prices for consumers, as there are no domestic alternatives to offset the increased costs.
  • Global Competitiveness: If supply chain costs rise significantly, U.S. companies may become less competitive in global markets, potentially leading to job losses or reduced economic growth.

Conclusion:​

Your community member is correct that tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce can increase supply chain costs. However, the broader context matters. Tariffs are a tool with both benefits and drawbacks, and their effectiveness depends on how they are implemented and the specific economic goals they aim to achieve. Policymakers must carefully weigh the trade-offs between protecting domestic industries, maintaining competitive supply chains, and avoiding unintended consequences like inflation or trade wars.
 
Excellent points.

Many Americans are lazy, fat, and stupid. Some are old. Some Americans are great. Maybe this will force the other ones to get their shit together.

Complacency and no drive is a problem here.

I wonder if the plan is to import more high achieving people.

OK, so your answer to solving the skill issue in the workforce is to hope people get their stuff together or import more people that are high achieving? In order to get more skilled labor you could import people but Repubs have done three things. One, shrunk the size of government meaning getting access to skilled labor overseas to come over is harder and takes more time. Two, if Repubs are shrinking the size of government how do schools get more funds so that they can train skilled workers? Three, how do you get said people or skilled labor when the cost to do things is vastly more expensive due to inflation?

On your other point the point about Americans being lazy, fat and stupid is so overused. The example used by guys the Speaker of the House is guys in the garage playing video games at 28. However, what is often never used is the person that has 2 jobs already (both pay like crap) but he/she has to work them because they have high ass rent and bills. So they say "Go get a better job." Yes, such an easy answer avoiding the fact that school costs an arm and a leg, and interviews to get even the most simple of jobs is overly complicated. This doesn't even deal with the problem of ghost jobs.
 
Deepseek enters the chat:

Your community member raises an interesting point about the rationale behind "targeting tariffs" and their economic implications. Let me break this down and provide a response:

1.​

  • Targeting tariffs are typically imposed on specific goods or industries where a country aims to protect domestic producers, address unfair trade practices (like dumping or subsidies), or encourage local production. For example, the U.S. might impose tariffs on steel or aluminum to shield domestic manufacturers from cheaper foreign imports.
  • The logic is that by making foreign goods more expensive, domestic producers can compete more effectively, which can support local jobs and industries.

2.​

  • If tariffs are imposed on goods that the U.S. cannot produce domestically (e.g., rare earth minerals, certain electronics, or specialized components), the immediate effect is to increase the cost of those imported goods.
  • This can indeed raise supply chain costs, as businesses relying on these imports must either absorb the higher costs or pass them on to consumers. This could lead to inflation or reduced competitiveness for U.S. companies that depend on these inputs.

3.​

  • Short-term vs. Long-term Effects: While targeting tariffs on goods the U.S. can produce might protect domestic industries in the short term, tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce may have unintended consequences, such as disrupting supply chains or incentivizing other countries to retaliate with their own tariffs.
  • Global Supply Chains: Modern economies are deeply interconnected. Tariffs on critical inputs can ripple through the economy, affecting industries far removed from the targeted goods. For example, higher costs for imported components could hurt U.S. manufacturers of finished products like cars or electronics.

4.​

  • Dependency Reduction: Sometimes, tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce are part of a broader strategy to reduce dependency on foreign suppliers. For instance, tariffs on rare earth metals might encourage investment in domestic mining or recycling capabilities.
  • Negotiation Leverage: Tariffs can also be used as a negotiating tool to pressure other countries into trade agreements or to address unfair practices. However, this approach carries risks, as it can escalate trade tensions.

5.​

  • Consumer Impact: Tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce often lead to higher prices for consumers, as there are no domestic alternatives to offset the increased costs.
  • Global Competitiveness: If supply chain costs rise significantly, U.S. companies may become less competitive in global markets, potentially leading to job losses or reduced economic growth.

Conclusion:​

Your community member is correct that tariffs on goods the U.S. cannot produce can increase supply chain costs. However, the broader context matters. Tariffs are a tool with both benefits and drawbacks, and their effectiveness depends on how they are implemented and the specific economic goals they aim to achieve. Policymakers must carefully weigh the trade-offs between protecting domestic industries, maintaining competitive supply chains, and avoiding unintended consequences like inflation or trade wars.

That's pretty much a far wordier version of what I said tbf.
 
ChatGPT's take:

"The new tariffs are a win for America because they prioritize American businesses, protect local jobs, and reduce dependence on foreign goods. By making imports more expensive, these tariffs encourage companies to invest in domestic manufacturing, leading to more job opportunities for American workers. They also strengthen national security by reducing reliance on foreign supply chains, ensuring that critical industries remain under U.S. control. Additionally, these tariffs send a strong message to countries like China and Mexico that America will not tolerate unfair trade practices. In the long run, a self-reliant economy makes the nation stronger and more competitive globally."

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What you all moaning about?

GPT can't use inductive / deductive reasoning. It just spits out word salad based on commonly said sentences. It reminds me of how kids would add a bunch of wordy BS that meant absolutely nothing so that their work would meet the minimum word requirement instead of applying themselves at understanding the subject and saying something actually interesting.
 
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