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Trudeau is putting illegal border crossers into hotels

speaks for itself...



So is this another attempt to conflate illegal border jumpers with legal asylum seekers?

Both the US and Canada have a legal process in place through which foreigners can enter these countries and apply for asylum. This process, by necessity, requires housing of the applicants while their cases are under review.

What kind of whack job becomes aggrieved over this practicality??
 
So if I want to go on a Canadian vacation can I manipulate this into a free hotel?
 
So is this another attempt to conflate illegal border jumpers with legal asylum seekers?

Both the US and Canada have a legal process in place through which foreigners can enter these countries and apply for asylum. This process, by necessity, requires housing of the applicants while their cases are under review.

What kind of whack job becomes aggrieved over this practicality??

No one knows the pay involved on where and how the illegals will be housed. Shelters are maxed out. There is no data in place to oversee any effectiveness of such plan, nor was there a review to have this current motion be put in place. New jobs have been created within govt to solely cater to this new solution/problem where the current roster are unaware of what they are doing.
 
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Trudeau will not have a second term. A lot of people are not happy with his politics, i am all for legal immigration but this is getting out of control. I'm a product of legal immigration but my parents were vetted. A lot of people even in minority communities are not happy with refugees who make more doing nothing than the recent legal immigrants that are breaking their backs working minimum wage jobs. Some communities will only allow the father to work and the mother is home to 6 kids and depending on the child's age the federal govt will provide 6400 per child per year in addition to any welfare to the adult.

I am not saying that Canada shouldnt take in refugees but how about amending the laws so that it pushes/motivates people to work thus putting a cap on the benefits given to families.
 
I was for a northern border wall at first. But obviously that's a dumb idea. Need to make it easier and even help immigrants move along from the U.S. into Canada.

Thank you Justin
 
It's actually been like this for a while in Toronto. I know if a couple hotels in North York that have been filled with border jumpers since like 6 months ago. It's kind of demoralizing to see them get their every want taken care of on our dime while we have to work to support our families and are so heavily taxed. A lot of them would come on the bus and not pay anything at all, or maybe throw a quarter or 2. Meanwhile they always had bags from the mall and shit like that.
 
That pajama wearing sissy boy Trudeau could screw up a stell ball bearing with a rubber mallet.
 
My GOD.

The next thing you know he's going to give them food and water.

Progressive libs keep destroying Canada with their compassion and outcome-based policy making. They should know that Canada got to to where it is by being a right-wing mans land like 1930s Italy.
 
this is the same country that pays terrorists and frees murderers and cannibals to live among the populace .. it's expected
 
At the end of the day, we're all pretty civilized. We revolt with our votes, and it's not like we're starving or anything and our lives are shit. That's when real revolutions happen. We're a far fucking cry from the conditions that would merit any kind of violent revolt.

That said, there's a sea change happening up here, much like it happened in the States, thanks to this kind of shit. If the Liberals keep going the way they are, they're going to destroy themselves. The silent majority is not pleased. Libs need to quit pandering to the crowds they see on TV, and the Liberal networks that suck their cocks.


I've seen so many neighborhoods in California go from cartoonishly safe to gang infested barrios in like 25 years.

Give it time. Your invasion is fresh. Let it fester, and then enjoy the results.
 
My GOD.

The next thing you know he's going to give them food and water.

Progressive libs keep destroying Canada with their compassion and outcome-based policy making. They should know that Canada got to to where it is by being a right-wing mans land like 1930s Italy.
What rights do these people have to anything in Canada? None.

They're here illegally having come through multiple safe places. Refugee status is not a bottomless well. AFAIK you're obligated to make the claim at the first safe country you come to.
 
Honestly I am not particularly outraged by the fact that they are being housed while their claims are being considered. You have to put them somewhere while you assess their claim, unless you want to do away with the idea of taking refugees at all, which is a very different discussion.

I am more interested in the fact that they are arriving in Canada through the United States. The particulars of the Safe Third Country Agreement aside, it seems obvious on a prima face basis that genuine asylum seekers who have already made their way to the USA would seek asylum there.

I am also interested by the fact that Canada is woefully under-equipped to handle any substantial influx of refugees. It takes the IRB forever to decide these cases, and the backlog is only increasing.
 
What rights do these people have to anything in Canada? None.

They're here illegally having come through multiple safe places. Refugee status is not a bottomless well. AFAIK you're obligated to make the claim at the first safe country you come to.

Technically there is no freestanding obligation to apply at the first safe country. I am not an expert in immigration law, but my understanding is that it comes from specific 'Safe Third Country' agreements between various nations.
 
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Here's an example of what you're talking about in regards to immigrant communities not being pleased with the border jumpers. There was a protest against illegal immigration in Markham ON which is a city just north of Toronto and is pretty much a Chinese-Canadian enclave at this point. They were protesting because the mayor has said that they may house some of the migrants there as there isn't any room in Toronto left . I was gonna make a thread on this but the mods probably would merge it into this one anyway.

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From the moment a protester grabbed a counter-protester’s megaphone and hurled it into the fountain of the Markham Civic Centre, Saturday’s demonstration against illegal border crossings and their effect on suburban Toronto degenerated quickly into violence and anger.

Police arrived to separate men who had thrown a few punches, and others who seemed about to, including one man who was pushing another as he held up a sign reading “Not In My Back Yard,” according to video captured by Ming Pao Daily News.

It was a small rally of a few dozen mainly Chinese-Canadian protesters in Markham, a city northeast of Toronto, and hundreds of kilometres from any land border with the United States. Nevertheless, as the demonstration was met by a smaller group of pro-refugee protesters, it became a flashpoint in the North American refugee crisis, with Markham’s mayor, Frank Scarpitti, as the unlikely main target.

At issue was a rumour that Markham was about to agree to house as many as 5,000 asylum seekers in unused buildings, after Toronto asked for help accommodating an overflow.

“Say NO to Mayor Frank!” read several signs in identical red lettering. Others played off the recent shooting rampage in Toronto: “Do Not Let Tragedy Happen In Markham.
https://montrealgazette.com/news/ca...area/wcm/78e97e55-5f57-4ac3-b04b-145f8c19b517

I don't know how to embed the video but I recommend everyone watch it. Has some gold moments but overall it's sad to see people fighting and screaming at their neighbours over this shit. Pro-refugee side was mixed it seemed but anti-refugee I think was ALL Chinese. This is from a Montreal paper and there was a shorter story in a local York region one but I didn't see this in any Toronto media or CBC - anyone think it would be the same if it were a bunch of white people doing the same shit? Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
What rights do these people have to anything in Canada? None.

None. Who said they did? That's not the argument that is being made. Also, what rights did the first Canadians have? Or the first US citizens? What gives this nonexistent entitlement moral color?

It's so weird to me that people think that, by virtue of the geographic location of their birth, they are better than someone else in need and, because that person isn't a citizen jus soli, the government should be required to treat them like vermin.

They're here illegally having come through multiple safe places. Refugee status is not a bottomless well. AFAIK you're obligated to make the claim at the first safe country you come to.

That's true. But there's a difference between observing the objective fact that the Canadian government isn't required by international law to do what they are doing, and what you all are doing, which is making an indignant normative objection and calling Trudeau a sissy boy for not being a piece of shit.

There's about nothing more pathetic than a Canadian dissident who, despite seeing their neighbors to the south deal with corrupt, incompetent, selfish, and immoral leaders, want to remove Trudeau because the dude has a heart and "omg he's too nice, what a cuck. A real man would let those worthless brown people starve to death, or leave them to drown in the Mediterranean like the Europeans did."
 
None. Who said they did? That's not the argument that is being made. Also, what rights did the first Canadians have? Or the first US citizens? What gives this nonexistent entitlement moral color?

What a dishonest premise.

The first Canadians didn't come to today's established Canada. The first US citizens earned their citizenship through war and bloodshed. The entitlement comes from building a society good enough to accept and give a certain number of refugees shelter, food and potentially a home.

This reeks of "no borders, no nations" classic idiotic idealism.

If there's no more space in the shelters, I'm sorry but

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Don't really blame Trudy for dealing with asylum protocols that date long before his tenure. Change the asylum laws to give boarder patrol the right to reject migrants on sight.

Since this issue is a cause of the US it should be a joint resolution, which ideally be us shipping them back to the US and the US shipping them off to who gives a fuck.

Or we take this as an opportunity to try to mend trade disputes by Canada taking the helm on disposing of the undesirables neither country wants in exchange for favorable trade policy -- but that could cost us in the long run if US immigration drops of bus loads of migrants like Canada was a red Cross used clothing drop site.

Either way, there's no real ROI or money in altruistic asylum policy - immigration selection is how you turn a profit by NOT having to dole out money whilst reviewing draft picks. So, check out time is at 10, no continental breakfast, and no complimentary copy of the Globe and Mail. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

At least that's my vote come next year
 
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None. Who said they did? That's not the argument that is being made. Also, what rights did the first Canadians have? Or the first US citizens? What gives this nonexistent entitlement moral color?

It's so weird to me that people think that, by virtue of the geographic location of their birth, they are better than someone else in need and, because that person isn't a citizen jus soli, the government should be required to treat them like vermin.



That's true. But there's a difference between observing the objective fact that the Canadian government isn't required by international law to do what they are doing, and what you all are doing, which is making an indignant normative objection and calling Trudeau a sissy boy for not being a piece of shit.

There's about nothing more pathetic than a Canadian dissident who, despite seeing their neighbors to the south deal with corrupt, incompetent, selfish, and immoral leaders, want to remove Trudeau because the dude has a heart and "omg he's too nice, what a cuck. A real man would let those worthless brown people starve to death, or leave them to drown in the Mediterranean like the Europeans did."
The sheer volume of assumptions you've jumped to in order to compile this post is impressive.
 
Good for Canada. Show the US that they wouldn't of been great without immigration during its foundation. Murica are hypocrites to keep people out lol.
 
There's about nothing more pathetic than a Canadian dissident who, despite seeing their neighbors to the south deal with corrupt, incompetent, selfish, and immoral leaders, want to remove Trudeau because the dude has a heart and "omg he's too nice, what a cuck. A real man would let those worthless brown people starve to death, or leave them to drown in the Mediterranean like the Europeans did."

This is Bullshit.
There are legitmate reasons why people dislike him. Either you're just plucking these explanations out of the ether, or you are intentionally focusing in on what the dumbest amongst us have to say.

Either way, this post is bullshit.
 
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