Top 10 Heavyweights ever

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

explain.

Every fighter I ranked beats the fighters below them prime for prime imo.

That's not what this is about lol

 

[Deleted member 504083]

That's not what this is about lol

Lol then why does TS have Nog #4 and Cro Cop #5?

 

[theleerygoose]

Nog is too high at number 2. Stipe is the clear number 2.

 

[BFoe]

explain.

Every fighter I ranked beats the fighters below them prime for prime imo.

Like I always say, there are no Unified Rules for GOAT ranking. It’s your list and your criteria. If the criteria is just who you imagine would win certain fantasy fights, it’s hard to be wrong then, I guess.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Lol then why does TS have Nog #4 and Cro Cop #5?

I dunno?

 

[Exarch01]

1. Fedor- I don't know how can anyone vote anyone else in this spot.
2. Big Nog- would be GOAT if not for Fedor.
3. Stipe- Please stop talking about most title defenses when the number is 3... that's just pitiful.
4. Werdum- for his amazing late run.
5. Cain- Mostly by "could have been" rather than did it. Health and multiple rematches kind of didn't do him favors.
6. Cro Cop- Had a bad UFC run, but can't deny him being #3 under the top 2 guys in my list.
7. Ngannou- Again, more due to perceived possibility than actual deeds.
8. Arlovski - at one point was the #2 HW behind Fedor...
9, JDS- Pre-Cain....
10. Overeem... horsemeat!

How do you have Cro Cop over Frank Mir?

 

[Starman]

Fedor is unquestionably #1. I don’t care where anyone ranks the rest.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Like I always say, there are no Unified Rules for GOAT ranking. It’s your list and your criteria. If the criteria is just who you imagine would win certain fantasy fights, it’s hard to be wrong then, I guess.

And it's your fantasy to decide who's had the most impressive resume even though guys fought different opponents and in different promotions, and in different eras. Hard to be wrong, I guess.

 

[Brigfa2]

Ngannou, JDS, Cain, Stipe, DC
Those guys would destroy Prime Fedor

 

[Starman]

Ngannou, JDS, Cain, Stipe, DC
Those guys would destroy Prime Fedor

Join date checks out.

 

[Shaddows]

How do you have Cro Cop over Frank Mir?

I don't know why you picked specifically Mir (and shame on me for forgetting him).... but he'd be below CroCop...
And the reasoning is simple... You are looking at UFC Cro Cop... he was far more than that.

 

[Exarch01]

I don't know why you picked specifically Mir (and shame on my for forgetting him).... but he'd be below CroCop...
And the reasoning is simple... You are looking at UFC Cro Cop... he was far more than that.

I'm looking at Crop Cop at his entire career, not just cherry picking from when he was young and beating up cans. He has an awesome highlight reel, but against top competition he's maybe like a .500 fighter? I'd have to go over his record again.

And it's not like Mir was in his prime either when they fought and he knocked Crop Cop the fuck out.

There's this weird feeling on this forum that winning a fight in Japan counts as winning like 3 fights somewhere else, and it's just bullshit.

 

[Shaddows]

I'm looking at Crop Cop at his entire career, not just cherry picking from when he was young and beating up cans. He has an awesome highlight reel, but against top competition he's maybe like a .500 fighter? I'd have to go over his record again.

And it's not like Mir was in his prime either when they fought and he knocked Crop Cop the fuck out.

There's this weird feeling on this forum that winning a fight in Japan counts as winning like 3 fights somewhere else, and it's just bullshit.

nah.
Again, when he fought in the UFC, he was not at his best form by his own admission (and frustration).
and it's about time people stop with this BS that just because some fights were in Japan, it has to be discounted as against cans or somehow devalued.
If you think a victory in the UFC is worth more, you obviously don't know how to judge impartially (not saying you, but it is fairly common see people demeaning victories in Pride while over-valuing UFC).

 

[heavy_hands]

1 Fedor

 

[Exarch01]

nah.
Again, when he fought in the UFC, he was not at his best form by his own admission (and frustration).
and it's about time people stop with this BS that just because some fights were in Japan, it has to be discounted as against cans or somehow devalued.
If you think a victory in the UFC is worth more, you obviously don't know how to judge impartially (not saying you, but it is fairly common see people demeaning victories in Pride while over-valuing UFC).

In like every thread not involving Khazmat or Conor, I see people talking about how Fedor, Wanderlei, Shogun, Big Now, Rampage, Cro Cop are the greatest fighters of all time, but also no one is allowed to talk about before Pride (for example, Wanderlei vs Vitor or Tito), or after Pride (example, Crop Cop vs Gonzaga or Mir). People are actively building this fantasy narrative about how great Pride was by pretending that fighters' careers didn't exist before or after Pride. That's the bullshit I'm talking about.

Like it or not, Fedor is the same person who had GOAT fights with Big Nog and Crop and then later got the shit beat out of him by Bader and Mitrione. And that's ok. No reason to deny it. But yeah, those fights go on his record too.

 

[Shaddows]

In like every thread not involving Khazmat or Conor, I see people talking about how Fedor, Wanderlei, Shogun, Big Now, Rampage, Cro Cop are the greatest fighters of all time, but also no one is allowed to talk about before Pride (for example, Wanderlei vs Vitor or Tito), or after Pride (example, Crop Cop vs Gonzaga or Mir). People are actively building this fantasy narrative about how great Pride was by pretending that fighters' careers didn't exist before or after Pride. That's the bullshit I'm talking about.

Like it or not, Fedor is the same person who had GOAT fights with Big Nog and Crop and then later got the shit beat out of him by Bader and Mitrione. And that's ok. No reason to deny it. But yeah, those fights go on his record too.

yes, but it is stupid to claim he was not good because of those fights.
It's the same as claiming Anderson Silva was a can because he had a record of 1-7-1 in his last 9 fights.

People refer to Fedor as Goat for remaining at the HW division for a decade unbeaten.
That is RARE.
So rare, that people in this very thread celebrate a record of 4 (non-consecutive) title defenses for Stipe as reason why he is number 1.... 4 fights... with a loss in the middle... and it is so hard to achieve.... yet Fedor won for a decade and you want to make less of it because he lost to Bader at the obvious tail-send of his career?
Sorry, but that is as biased as the guys you try to dismiss and for almost the same reason (just different fighter or different promotion).

People need to move past that.

 

[Bojka]

1a. Fedor
1b. Stipe
3. Ngannou
4. Cain
5. Cormier
6-9. Werdum, Nogueira, Overeem, JDS
10. Arlovski, Mir

Honourable mention: Gane (have to see how his career progresses)

 

[Clark Rogers]

these are hard.

Arlovski would have to be in there somewhere for me. also not sure whether to include Randy, or keep him at LHW.

1. Fedor
2. Stipe
3. Cain
4. Nog
5. Ngannou
6. JDS
7. CroCop
8. DC
9. Arlovski
10. Mir

Note - this is entirely from memory/ personal opinion after 5 minutes thought, no research done here lol. Werdum prob deserves to be there but I like these guys better lol

 

[Brazilian007]

Mir over Big Nog?? He's got the wins over him, but that doens't carry enough weight overall. I don't think Mir is top 10, Big Nog top 3-4

The wins should matter. Only on Sherdog are old fans who are nostalgic are putting slow 1 dimesional Big Nog as a top 5 HW. I swear to God BJ Penn is less overrated than Nog on here. Everytime a Nog fan says he had good boxing and takedowns I die of laughter. He did not. Nog was very hittable and blocked punches with his face... He also due to the childhood injury didnt have good knees or back or ability to shoot. Nog was essentially slow and immobile who had to rely on pulling guard or getting a takedown from the clinch.

Fedor belongs for sure and was well rounded but not Nog. I swear this place is delusional.

Cro Cop was getting wrecked by Reem before the nut shots and even then Reems HW resume is superior to Cro Cops

Mir’s interim title win over Nog was good, definitely. If he had defended that a couple of times it would’ve gone a long way. But he lost it immediately.

Sylvia conversely (whom Mir beat, I am aware) is a 2x champ. Beat Ricco but was stripped after his first defense due to PEDs.
Later, he became champ again by beating Arlovski, then defenses 2x against Arlovski again, and Monson.

So in terms of titles and defenses, Sylvia edges out Mir. The question is, as you said, overall resume:

MIR: Sylvia, Brock, Nog x 2, Mirko, Nelson x2, Bigfoot, Duffee, plus dudes like Tank, Petey Williams, etc

SYLVIA: Rothwell, Ricco, Arlovski x2, Monson, Vera, plus guys like Buentello, Kraniotakes, Assuerio Silva, etc.

Hmm…I think you’re right. Mir should be higher than Sylvia. His overall body of work is superior, although his title runs aren’t.

And this is exactly why Werdum needs to be top 3 with only Fedor whom he beat and Stipe higher. Fedor vs Werdum rematch should of happened and Werdum vs Stipe II and Werdum vs Cormier also would of been good. We got robbed not seeing Werdum defend the belt and not seeing him vs Cormier who I am positive he would of wrecked or him vs Fedor II to see if Fedor really just got caught.

Cormier is the most overrated HW who has his HW record beating past prime Mir and Barnett but still i cant discount these wins fully and he did manage to beat TRT Prime Big Foot. But he got destroyed by old Stipe 2x and only managed a fluke win after he eyepoked Stipe. He then was sonned by Jones 2x. And retired before he had to face real elite HWs like Ngannou and Blaydes. Yeah he beat Lewis who is ranked but lets be real at where Lewis ranks. The most annoying thing about Cormier is he retired so soon before that he gave no argument to if he would of won or lost vs Werdum, Ubereem, Etc. If Stipe and Jones gets wrecked then people will just do MMA math and assume Cormier could not hang with modern HWs but it wont fully answer how he would of done vs all the guys he avoided fighting. That is why I hope Cormier comes back at HW for an interim title shot vs Gane and ideally losses so his overrated legacy can be shushed.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Curious about your orders

1. Stipe- Most title defenses, two time champ, beat the best opposition
2. Fedor- Undefeated for almost a decade, against the top heavies at the time
3. Cain- two time champ, utterly mauled everyone he beat
4. Big Nog- beat a who's who, and remained competitive for years
5. Cro Cop- Smashed everyone in his early days not named Fedor or Nog (ok, and Kev)
6. Werdum- Beat the best guys (Cain, Fedor) but was inconsistent
7. Ngannou- Smashy
8. Cormier- Amazing fighter. Beat Stipe. Didn't have enough high quality opposition wins to be top 5
9, JDS- Probably the most historical early run, great champ
10. Couture- 3 time champ, didn't face the toughest opposition, but they were the toughest at that time
Honorables to Coleman, Overeem and Sylvia

Fedor, Overeem, cro cop, big nog, werdum, Cain, JDS, Randy, DC, Barnett

No order